CEO Pay On The Rise...Shocking!

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
" In 1999, Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, and Microsoft alumnus Paul Allen had combined wealth of $156 billion.2 This topped the combined GNPs of the poorest 43 nations on earth.3 By 1999, the world’s 475 billionaires had combined wealth of over $1.7 trillion, well above the combined incomes of the world’s poorest half of humanity."

Funny you should mention Bill Gates and Warren Buffett in the context of your post.

Funny considering that they donated around $40 billion to a charitable foundation to help humanity.

Their horrible, money-grubbing ways have created thousands of jobs, given society many advancements that led directly to opportunities for literally millions of people worldwide, and recently put forth $40 billion - that’s forty billion dollars - to help society.

What have you done?[/quote]
That’s great and all, except that the $40 billion you mention should have already been in distribution as higher wages for employees. Also, when one has wealth around 50 billion dollars, donating 20 of that isn’t that big of a deal, considering you have 30 BILLION DOLLARS left.

I won’t argue they’ve helped make advancements, but that in no way adds weight to your argument. Fact remains, they make too much money. You’re missing the point.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Ugh.

Here’s the problem, which I can’t possibly understand why you guys don’t see.

"Executive pay jumped 571 percent between 1990 and 2000. CEO pay rose even in 2000, a year in which the S&P 500 suffered a 10 percent loss. The explosion in CEO pay over the decade dwarfed the 37 percent growth in worker pay.

If the average annual pay for production workers had grown at the same rate since 1990 as it has for CEOs, their 2000 annual earnings would have been $120,491 instead of $24,668. Likewise, if the minimum wage, which stood at $3.80 an hour in 1990, had grown at the same rate as CEO pay over the decade, it would now be $25.50 an hour, rather than the current $5.15 an hour."

You guys see nothing wrong with that?

For one, what about the influence the excessively wealthy have upon our political institutions? Politicians rely on campaign contributors to get elected, just who do you think is donating 200,000 to insert schmo senator/president here?

Everyone here knows that money makes our political system go round, and to allow such excessively wealthy individuals access to it completely defeats the purpose of a “representative government”.

You’re telling me a CEO of a company making 400 times the amount that a blue collar worker in the same company is not wrong? What’s wrong with you people? Seriously. You see no problem with the ever widening gap between upper and middle/lower class? You can’t see that they’re completely eliminating the middle class? Are you that blind?

Aside from that, what about the fact that minimum wage is never getting a bump?

You fucking conservatives want to bitch and complain about welfare and other government assistant programs, yet you say nothing about the wage’s paid to people in this country. You expect people not to need aid when minimum wage has been 5.15 for 10 years? That’s a liveable wage?

Luckily for the poverty stricken in this country, minimum wage has been increased a whopping 70 cents this year!!! Thanks congress! Go ahead and vote yourselves that yearly raise you guys have been doing for the past decade.

This is what’s wrong. The completely unbalanced distribution of wealth. It’s not only concentrated in the hands of the few, it’s completely consumed by the few.

That’s fucked up. That’s wrong. No matter what you think, that’s wrong. If you think otherwise, you’re wrong. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact.

" In 1999, Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, and Microsoft alumnus Paul Allen had combined wealth of $156 billion.2 This topped the combined GNPs of the poorest 43 nations on earth.3 By 1999, the world’s 475 billionaires had combined wealth of over $1.7 trillion, well above the combined incomes of the world’s poorest half of humanity."

Way to set the US up for an inevtiable economic disaster.[/quote]
before continuing the conversation further, will you please summarize all the little clippings you’ve been posting in your own words, and then explain how CEOs and other executives get paid, who pays them and by all means please let us know how their salaries will bring economic doom.

Just to show a general understanding outside of knee jerk reactions to articles you are reading.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
" In 1999, Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, and Microsoft alumnus Paul Allen had combined wealth of $156 billion.2 This topped the combined GNPs of the poorest 43 nations on earth.3 By 1999, the world’s 475 billionaires had combined wealth of over $1.7 trillion, well above the combined incomes of the world’s poorest half of humanity."

Funny you should mention Bill Gates and Warren Buffett in the context of your post.

Funny considering that they donated around $40 billion to a charitable foundation to help humanity.

Their horrible, money-grubbing ways have created thousands of jobs, given society many advancements that led directly to opportunities for literally millions of people worldwide, and recently put forth $40 billion - that’s forty billion dollars - to help society.

What have you done?
That’s great and all, except that the $40 billion you mention should have already been in distribution as higher wages for employees. Also, when one has wealth around 50 billion dollars, donating 20 of that isn’t that big of a deal, considering you have 30 BILLION DOLLARS left.

I won’t argue they’ve helped make advancements, but that in no way adds weight to your argument. Fact remains, they make too much money. You’re missing the point.[/quote]

“That’s great and all, except that the $40 billion you mention should have already been in distribution as higher wages for employees.”

says who? not the people making the financial decisions to bring in such a surplus nor the shareholders who actually own the company.

We are not a socialist nation and corporations are not owned by the gov’t. They are private institutions and can do what ever they want inside particular regulations.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
So they had the insight, work ethic and smarts to work their way in to a high paying job. Businesses in the US are privately owned and can pay whomever what ever they want. If a business’ shareholders feel their CEO is worth $11 million dollars per year, then he is.

It’s not like the guy is stealing the money from your bank account. He just has a better job.

If a company is selling shares of ownership, it is not a private company.

Publicly traded companies are mandated by federal law to look out first and foremost for their stock price. This law is in place to remove any conflicts of interest between the management and shareholders.

(Ex. Employees wish to pay themselves far above market rate just because they have the money while shareholders want the company to maximize profits and dole out dividends. Rather than let this turn into a clusterfuck, the Federal Gov’t stepped in and ordered publicly traded companies to emphasize stock price.)

Stock options were given as a form of compensation to motivate executives to increase the stock price of the companies. I.e. Stock price goes way up, executives get lots and lots of $$$$.

Of course, now the very top CEOs are getting seemingly crazy - at least in the minds of those criticizing their compensation - compensation packages because they are doing their jobs too well.

Fucking over the lower level employees is actually pretty rare because it’s just not good business. It’s taken a few decades, but nearly all large corporations have learned by now to treat their employees fairly, lest they get hit with something expensive from the courts, the feds, or the unions.

And if nothing else, they realize that they can’t attract good employees without compensating them fairly, and they can’t compete (and thus raise their stock price) without good employees.[/quote]

Yes but privately owned by individuals of the public as opposed to being a gov’t owned entity whose profits are distributed how the gov’t sees fit.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
I really don’t care how much they make. If they can be millionaires then be millionaires. That part doesn’t bother me, I wish I was a millionaire too. What does bother me about most of these assholes is that every time they need to cut costs the lay a bunch of people off, yet cash their multi-million dollar bonus checks on time. They will cast the people out, who actually do the work and make the company the money right be for report time to make the bottom line look better and make no cuts into their exorbitant and ridiculous salaries.

Cuts should start at the top and putting people out of work should be the last thing a company does, yet it is often the first. Save money, cut people. I really think most of these upper management folks are bottom dwellers and have a soul satan is envious of. When ever I shake the hand of someone in upper management, I feel like I need to wash it.

I don’t agree with your statement of “right and fair”. If you can make millions of bucks, go for it. If you lead your company well and it’s making money by all means, fill up your pockets. But if the company hits hard times don’t keep making 50 mil, while sending 500 people to the unemployment line. That’s just dick headed, which is why I think most of them are dick heads.
People wonder why office shootings happen, I wonder why they don’t happen more often.

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“They will cast the people out, who actually do the work and make the company the money right be for report time to make the bottom line look better and make no cuts into their exorbitant and ridiculous salaries.”

and this is why it’s important to make yourself irreplaceable. get a loan for a college degree, go to a trade school, learn a skill of some sort.

Of course dispensable people will be replaced. If a company is doing poorly and needs a quick fix for their financial statements, getting rid of shelf stockers and cashiers is a fast way to free up hundreds of thousands of dollars company wide, and a stocker or cashier can be replaced within days with no significant loss to the company.

Most companies look for long term solutions to financial issues though, short term fixes are just a necessary part of keeping their heads above water as they work on the long term.

They aren’t out to screw any one over. At the end of the day it’s just business.

Become an accountant, a manager… anything that would make operations shaky for awhile if they got rid of you, or start your own business.

If you are going to work for someone else, they have control and you have to just go along with them. That is just the way it is.

Business owners and executives don’t really owe you or anybody anything other than what you agreed on, which usually involves at will terminations on both sides.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
…" In 1999, Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, and Microsoft alumnus Paul Allen had combined wealth of $156 billion.2 This topped the combined GNPs of the poorest 43 nations on earth.3 By 1999, the world’s 475 billionaires had combined wealth of over $1.7 trillion, well above the combined incomes of the world’s poorest half of humanity."

Way to set the US up for an inevtiable economic disaster.[/quote]

Being rich does not lead to economic disaster.

[quote]Ren wrote:
Here’s what bothers me more, CEOs pay less as a percentage of their earnings in taxes as their employees.

He even offered a cool million to back up his claim.

Now THAT pisses me off.

The other thing is CEOs that destroy companies, but still get millions. That list is so freaking long its unreal…[/quote]

There are certainly some crappy overpaid CEO’s. There are also equally undeserving lottery winners.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
nephorm wrote:
But, as thunderbolt already pointed out, your analogy is completely false.
He made the claim that money is infinite. This is not true.[/quote]

Wealth is not finite. There is no fixed amount. Your island example consisted of a fixed amount of wealth with (apparently) no opportunity to grow any more.

In our modern economy, we have no such problem. The US economy does not operate as a zero-sum game - I don’t own money at the expense of you not owning it.

[quote]nephorm wrote:Who in the US is starving? Do you really want to make that argument? What arbitrary cap do you think we should set on success? And what rewards do you think there should be for exceptional accomplishment?
There are 36.5 million people in poverty in the US. Though those numbers are probably understated.[/quote]

What defines poverty? That might be an important discussion, since the bar keeps moving up. And why do you presume the numbers are understated? You never say. You don’t offer much in the way of support of your claims.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
" In 1999, Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, and Microsoft alumnus Paul Allen had combined wealth of $156 billion.2 This topped the combined GNPs of the poorest 43 nations on earth.3 By 1999, the world’s 475 billionaires had combined wealth of over $1.7 trillion, well above the combined incomes of the world’s poorest half of humanity."

Funny you should mention Bill Gates and Warren Buffett in the context of your post.

Funny considering that they donated around $40 billion to a charitable foundation to help humanity.

Their horrible, money-grubbing ways have created thousands of jobs, given society many advancements that led directly to opportunities for literally millions of people worldwide, and recently put forth $40 billion - that’s forty billion dollars - to help society.

What have you done?[/quote]

Damn good post.

[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I really don’t care how much they make. If they can be millionaires then be millionaires. That part doesn’t bother me, I wish I was a millionaire too. What does bother me about most of these assholes is that every time they need to cut costs the lay a bunch of people off, yet cash their multi-million dollar bonus checks on time. They will cast the people out, who actually do the work and make the company the money right be for report time to make the bottom line look better and make no cuts into their exorbitant and ridiculous salaries.

Cuts should start at the top and putting people out of work should be the last thing a company does, yet it is often the first. Save money, cut people. I really think most of these upper management folks are bottom dwellers and have a soul satan is envious of. When ever I shake the hand of someone in upper management, I feel like I need to wash it.

I don’t agree with your statement of “right and fair”. If you can make millions of bucks, go for it. If you lead your company well and it’s making money by all means, fill up your pockets. But if the company hits hard times don’t keep making 50 mil, while sending 500 people to the unemployment line. That’s just dick headed, which is why I think most of them are dick heads.
People wonder why office shootings happen, I wonder why they don’t happen more often.

“They will cast the people out, who actually do the work and make the company the money right be for report time to make the bottom line look better and make no cuts into their exorbitant and ridiculous salaries.”

and this is why it’s important to make yourself irreplaceable. get a loan for a college degree, go to a trade school, learn a skill of some sort.

Of course dispensable people will be replaced. If a company is doing poorly and needs a quick fix for their financial statements, getting rid of shelf stockers and cashiers is a fast way to free up hundreds of thousands of dollars company wide, and a stocker or cashier can be replaced within days with no significant loss to the company.

Most companies look for long term solutions to financial issues though, short term fixes are just a necessary part of keeping their heads above water as they work on the long term.

They aren’t out to screw any one over. At the end of the day it’s just business.

Become an accountant, a manager… anything that would make operations shaky for awhile if they got rid of you, or start your own business.

If you are going to work for someone else, they have control and you have to just go along with them. That is just the way it is.

Business owners and executives don’t really owe you or anybody anything other than what you agreed on, which usually involves at will terminations on both sides. [/quote]

Nobody is irreplacable. If you think you are, you’ll likely find that fact out the hard way.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
nephorm wrote:Who in the US is starving? Do you really want to make that argument? What arbitrary cap do you think we should set on success? And what rewards do you think there should be for exceptional accomplishment?
There are 36.5 million people in poverty in the US. Though those numbers are probably understated.

What defines poverty? That might be an important discussion, since the bar keeps moving up. And why do you presume the numbers are understated? You never say. You don’t offer much in the way of support of your claims.[/quote]

Not to mention the fact that the original claim was that they were making these salaries while others (presumably employed by these same CEOs) were “starving.” I ask who is starving, and you (InnerHulk) respond with a figure about poverty.

Poverty in the US includes cable TV and a happy meal. Who is starving?

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
nephorm wrote:
But, as thunderbolt already pointed out, your analogy is completely false.
He made the claim that money is infinite. This is not true.

nephorm wrote:Who in the US is starving? Do you really want to make that argument? What arbitrary cap do you think we should set on success? And what rewards do you think there should be for exceptional accomplishment?
There are 36.5 million people in poverty in the US. Though those numbers are probably understated.

There should be a set amount of how much a CEO can make. I think it was JP Morgan back in the 90’s who said that a CEO should not make more than 20 times what the lowest paid employee of the company makes.

And exceptional accomplishment? Such as? Moving business outside of the US to evade certain taxes or outsourcing to cut employee costs? Firing mass amounts of people to keep profits up? Are these the type of exceptional accomplishments you’re referring to?[/quote]

Actually the poverty figure is way overstated.

It includes kids working while living with parents. Recent college grads and those entering the workforce and illegla immigrants. It also includes those who are temporarily unemployed but will soon find work in a thriving economy.

Finally it includes illegal immigrants who are not US Citizens and who do not pay taxes in many cases. The poverty stats also don’t include government benefits that lift many out of poverty.

In the US nearly half of the poor own a home, have a car, have at least 1 TV and a DVD player. For God sakes over 80% have air conditioning in their home. The “poor” in America are better off then the middle class in most of the world.

Poverty in the US is mostly a matter of choice by the individual, as is success. If you don’t want to be poor then you need to make better choices: Don’t abuse drugs and alcohol, don’t have children until you are married and in a stable relationship and stay in school, which is free, until you graduate HS.

If you make those choices you will not be poor 99% of the time. And by the way nobody starves in the US. WIC is a widely available program and numerous state and private charities are available nationwide to provide basic nutrition for everyone. No not luxury gourmet food and booze, basic food.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjE3NTA4Yjc0NjQxMDA4ZjhlZjczMWM0YWNlM2JhOTg=

[quote]nephorm wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
nephorm wrote:Who in the US is starving? Do you really want to make that argument? What arbitrary cap do you think we should set on success? And what rewards do you think there should be for exceptional accomplishment?
There are 36.5 million people in poverty in the US. Though those numbers are probably understated.

What defines poverty? That might be an important discussion, since the bar keeps moving up. And why do you presume the numbers are understated? You never say. You don’t offer much in the way of support of your claims.

Not to mention the fact that the original claim was that they were making these salaries while others (presumably employed by these same CEOs) were “starving.” I ask who is starving, and you respond with a figure about poverty.

Poverty in the US includes cable TV and a happy meal. Who is starving?[/quote]

I am hungry. Feed Me!!!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
nephorm wrote:Who in the US is starving? Do you really want to make that argument? What arbitrary cap do you think we should set on success? And what rewards do you think there should be for exceptional accomplishment?
There are 36.5 million people in poverty in the US. Though those numbers are probably understated.

What defines poverty? That might be an important discussion, since the bar keeps moving up. And why do you presume the numbers are understated? You never say. You don’t offer much in the way of support of your claims.

Not to mention the fact that the original claim was that they were making these salaries while others (presumably employed by these same CEOs) were “starving.” I ask who is starving, and you respond with a figure about poverty.

Poverty in the US includes cable TV and a happy meal. Who is starving?

I am hungry. Feed Me!!![/quote]

Just think - there are CEOs enjoying turkey and ham sandwiches right now that should be on your plate.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

I won’t argue they’ve helped make advancements, but that in no way adds weight to your argument. Fact remains, they make too much money. You’re missing the point.[/quote]

The real question is, who are you to decide what constitutes “too much”? You have people like Bill Gates who build companies and create hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth for other people, including both investment return and jobs – yes, Microsoft employs many people, and companies founded on technology based on providing extras on the Microsoft technology provide even more.

The example of such people also inspires risk-taking in small entrepreneurs and venture-capital investors who invest dollars and sweat equity with the dream of building something like Microsoft or Google - and in the face of enormous odds of failure.

To the particular point of CEO pay, to the extent there are problems, many can be traced to a previous generation’s idiot populists who railed against the “greedy corporate raiders” who would come in and buy companies – and then might break them up and sell the parts or make changes to make them more competitive.

You know, essentially what big private equity funds still do. But to fight against such “greedy corporate raiders,” idiot populists convinced worthless politicians to pass laws allowing take-over defenses such as poison pills, shareholder rights plans, staggered BOD terms and other such defenses under state corporation law.

This hamstrung the ability of buyers to purchase a company if management didn’t want to sell – note I said management, not shareholders. Guess what was one of the most effective market checks on the power of management to do things like vote for compensation packages that the shareholders thought were out of line? Yes, that’s right: hostile takeovers.

There is an essential disconnect in the corporate form of organization known as the “agency problem.” The main issue is that you have a management team that controls the assets that are owned by shareholders.

This needs to be the case - but management can manage the assets in such a manner as to give themselves greater benefits at the shareholders’ expense. The shareholders’ representative is the board - the problem, particularly in the advent of staggered boards, is that many boards are “captured” by management.

The board members are friends of the CEO, and likely got on the board on the recommendation of the CEO. And the CEO often sits as chairman of the board. Many corporate governance folks advocate the idea of not allowing the CEO or CFO to sit on the board of large public companies to assuage this issue.

The other issue is that there is a market for CEOs of public companies, and a good CEO can boost stock price and create value for the shareholders. A CEO who adds value deserves to capture part of that value – and negotiates with the board to do so in his compensation package. The traditional way to do this is with stock options.

One real issue is that there is a measurement problem – public companies are part of a market, and overall market movements can obscure the actual value added by management. For instance, if a biotech company has its share price decline by 5%, that looks bad - but what if the market pounded the biotech sector such that the average biotech stock lost 15%.

All of a sudden that 5% loss looks good. Conversely, if a financial company had a 10% increase in share price that looks good - but what if the average financial stock went up 20%. Traditional stock options don’t capture that - but management only is incented to fix problems that tend to show they are underpaid, not when they’re overpaid. This is why some people have proposed granting stock options tied to an index of competitor companies.

With regard to golden parachute payments, these also have economic rationale in a lot of cases – particularly hires from outside an organization. An outside hire is giving up a good position at another company and entering into a risky situation. It’s also very likely that a lot of his compensation is tied up in stock options that vest over time – so if he’s fired or leaves because it’s a bad fit, he would be out a lot. Thus the advent of the golden parachute.

Someone pointed out above that the key is getting large institutional shareholders to be active in communicating with the board and management. TIAA-CREF, pension plans and large mutual funds need to actively represent shareholder interests with the board, and guard against agency issues.

They have big enough stakes in the company to care – someone who owns 100 shares of Exxon could care less if he received an extra cent per share because the CEO got median rather than market-leading compensation. The new SEC disclosure rules for the proxy are a good thing in that they highlight to value of perquisites.

But at the end of the day, it’s the shareholders’ issue. It’s their company.

Speaking of poverty and “getting by”, on Yahoo today, there is a video clip on the nation’s “most frugal family”. Have a look (I don’t know to attach the video).

They have a nice house, two cars, and seven well-fed and shod kids (!) on a budget of $35,000 a year - debt-free.

Meal planning, coupon clipping, and only spending money you have - so radical, so revolutionary!

You think they care what a CEO makes?

It’s not an argument against capitalism. It’s an argument about a boss making 40x what a worker is making. Not to mention the motherfuckers with enough money run the damn government…

See, I have conceded. I’ve always known that it’s a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight, and that will never change. I’m no idealist. But I’ll stand up for us every chance I can, regardless of whether or not it changes anything.

I have to disagree with Zap here. I believe life is extremely fair.

Everyone is dealt a hand, and it is up to us to play that hand. An idiot will squander all the opportunities, while a more intelligent person will turn adversity to strength.

It is already known that a self made millionaire who looses it all has a better chance of again exceeding a million in net worth, while a person who wins it has (last I heard) a 50:50 chance of loosing it all.

Rather then wine just because somebody has more then you, figure out how you can have more. It really is not that complex.

The average American works less then 40 hours a week, while the wealthy work an average 60 �?? 80. Too often when I tell people this, they tell me they prefer to enjoy life, and not work all the time. Kind of similar to what people tell me about eating better, and exercising. If you can’t get a person to spend a few hours a week exercising, how do you expect them to work an extra 20 �?? 40 hours a week?

Can anyone see how wining about being poor, but not willing to do anything about it is the same as the people who wine about being fat, and do nothing about it?

Are these CEO’s worth what they are being paid? Probably not. I will say Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are. Buffet worked for everything he has, and Berkshire is where it is because of him. I am not sure what percentage of his wealth resulted from owning stock as opposed to receiving a salary. But I do know Bill Gates’ wealth is derived almost completely from being the largest stock owner in Microsoft.

Most companies are small. I have a friend who started a company, and is doing quite well. Previously I have read on these forums that the employees should receive part of the profits from a business. (Actually they do, its called a paycheck.) Should my friend share more of his income with his employees? Oh wait, he doesn’t have any. He is his business.

My brother is trying to purchase a little coffee shop. If successful, any employee he would have is guaranteed to make more off the business then he does as long as they work 33 hours a week.

If you believe a certain pay is too low, then do not work for that low of a pay. The only reason people are paid what they are is because people are willing to work for it.

Making yourself more valuable is another way to make more money. If you have no marketable skills, why should you be paid any more then any unskilled worker?

Another idea is not to be a lazy son of a bitch. I have known plenty of people who complain about not having enough money, but refuse to do any work. They get off work, and get drunk. No thinking, no planning, just bitching and moaning over their beer.

If you are not happy with your life, look in the mirror for the person to blame. Quit scapegoating.

Too many posts…

I mentioned poverty because when I mentioned starving people, I was speaking on a global scale. Considering how interconnected and interdependent nations and businesses now are on each other, I included people from other nations. Since the US was specified I turned to poverty levels. When I think of people, I think of all people, not just those in the US.

As for half of those in poverty owning a home, I call bullshit. As do I for the family raising 7 children on 35k. Do there children survive solely on ramen noodles and other diabetic inducing diet styles? Sure, I could survive on 5k a year, it just means I’m going to die very young.

Also, as I said earlier, I have no problem with people accumulating wealth. Many deserve it, especially those who are ambitious enough to start their own companies and put in the hard work and dedication to be successful. Great. Splendid. Fan-fucking-tastic.

The problem lies in the fact though, that there’s a distinct difference between wealth and ridiculous excess. No man should have a billion dollars. No one. Not one single person. There’s no reason for such concentrated amounts of money. Not when health care is too expensive for so many, not when the US government is too easily swayed by dollar signs, not when many have to line up at the soup kitchen.

As for my economic doom scenario, I meant that overpayed and concentrated wealth played a part. Small wages for the majority of Americans has led to the buy now pay later escapade which will eventually burst. Also, companies with excessively compensated CEO’s have shown to hurt productivity among their work force. Count that in with the fact that so many companies are sending US work offshores to cut employer costs and to avoid certain taxes, this goes back to meager income among a lot of Americans. US production is dropping, imports are rising, exports dropping, and the dollar is dropping against the yen and euro. How is this not a set up for economic disaster??

Then again, there’s a possibility I have no idea what I’m talking about as I will admit my knowledge in this area is pretty limited. I’m just going on what I have read. Plus, I just know that someone having a bank account reading 500 million dollars is just wrong when my city’s poverty rate is higher than that of the state and national average and rising. I see too many people suffering while too many have so much to spare. It’s not right.

When is mankind going to progress?

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

When is mankind going to progress?[/quote]

Probably when they begin to understand that someone with 500 million on his bank account has no choice but to invest it and thereby creating wealth and jobs.

Any attempt to get in his way, i.e. redistribute his wealth, will keep us longer in the Dark Ages.