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Hmmm… Beverage claims to raise metabolism 12% over 3 hours, burning a total of about 75 calories per bottle. I’d be interested in seeing the data myself, but the study was double blind and crossover.
Anyone ever hear of it? Maybe Biotest could come up with a “Hot Shot” beverage or something with A7E in it.
Any word on how many cals burned with the full dose of HOT-ROX Extreme?
I work at Vitamin Shoppe and we sell them. I drink some occasionally because they taste pretty good. I have a high tolerance for stimulants so I don’t get much energy from them but I do feel warmer, sometimes sweat a bit.
I believe I burn about 75 calories walking to my mailbox and back.
Ice-cold water, or any other ice-cold non-caloric beverage, could also considered “negative calorie.”
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I believe I burn about 75 calories walking to my mailbox and back.
Ice-cold water, or any other ice-cold non-caloric beverage, could also considered “negative calorie.” [/quote]
I agree, but they definitely don’t raise the metabolism 12%. I’m not saying its a wonder beverage, and I probably wont buy that many (if any), but if I’m cutting and I’ve already achieved a good amount of leaness, this drink (or just some HOT-ROX really, I really posted the thread to get Biotest thinking about the idea, not that they werent with the success of the Spike Shooter) could take it to the next level with zero effort.
I was simply pointing out that this product is a marketing gimmick.
Check out the “research.”
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
ChrisKing wrote:
I believe I burn about 75 calories walking to my mailbox and back.
Ice-cold water, or any other ice-cold non-caloric beverage, could also considered “negative calorie.”
I agree, but they definitely don’t raise the metabolism 12%. I’m not saying its a wonder beverage, and I probably wont buy that many (if any), but if I’m cutting and I’ve already achieved a good amount of leaness, this drink (or just some HOT-ROX really, I really posted the thread to get Biotest thinking about the idea, not that they werent with the success of the Spike Shooter) could take it to the next level with zero effort.[/quote]
If you just want that extra “edge” spend $5 on a bottle of Green Tea Extract capsules. You’ll get the same (better!)effect for a lot less money.
It really is just a clever marketing gimmick. The research isn’t false, but there isn’t really enough EGCG in there to make a huge difference for you.
WARNING!: Science (pulled from another message board)
Note this is for green tea EXTRACT no just drinking the tea. If you want to skip the science part just read my explanations in bold
BACKGROUND: Catechins, the major component of green tea extract, have various physiologic effects. There are few studies, however, on the effects of catechins on body fat reduction in humans. It has been reported that the body mass index (BMI) correlates with the amount of malondialdehyde and thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances in the blood.
OBJECTIVE: We investigated the effect of catechins on body fat reduction and the relation between oxidized LDL and body fat variables. DESIGN: After a 2-wk diet run-in period, healthy Japanese men were divided into 2 groups with similar BMI and waist circumference distributions. A 12-wk double-blind study was performed in which the subjects ingested 1 bottle oolong tea/d containing 690 mg catechins (green tea extract group; n = 17) or 1 bottle oolong tea/d containing 22 mg catechins (control group; n = 18).
RESULTS: Body weight, BMI, waist circumference, body fat mass, and subcutaneous fat area were significantly lower in the green tea extract group than in the control group. Changes in the concentrations of malondialdehyde-modified LDL were positively associated with changes in body fat mass and total fat area in the green tea extract group.
CONCLUSION: Daily consumption of tea containing 690 mg catechins for 12 wk reduced body fat, which suggests that the ingestion of catechins might be useful in the prevention and improvement of lifestyle-related diseases, mainly obesity. (1)
What that says is that if you take a green tea extract with 690 mg catechins you see lots of good health benefits, most important to us body builders is a reduction in body fat. This next one explains how green tea extract might do that and its awesome.
To investigate mechanisms of the anti-obesity actions of green tea in vivo, rats were given green tea instead of drinking water for 3 weeks. It was confirmed that green tea reduced adipose tissue weight without any change in body weight, other tissue weights, and food and water intakes. Green tea also significantly reduced the plasma levels of cholesterols and free fatty acids. Certain catechins existed in the plasma at 0.24 microM under our experimental conditions, though most of them existed as conjugated forms. For mechanisms of the anti-obesity actions, green tea significantly reduced glucose uptake accompanied by a decrease in translocation of glucose transporter 4 (GLUT4) in adipose tissue, while it significantly stimulated the glucose uptake with GLUT4 translocation in skeletal muscle. Moreover, green tea suppressed the expression of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma and the activation of sterol regulatory element binding protein-1 in adipose tissue. In conclusion, green tea modulates the glucose uptake system in adipose tissue and skeletal muscle and suppresses the expression and/or activation of adipogenesis-related transcription factors, as the possible mechanisms of its anti-obesity actions. (2)
Basically this is what everyone hoped R-ALA did but can’t seem to prove. Green tea extract works much like exercise on influencing the concentration of the GLUT-4 receptor (the receptor that insulin binds to) in the cell membranes of fat and muscles cells. Basically the more GLUT-4 receptors on the cell the more likely it is to get nutrients in. So you want more GLUT-4 on muscles cells than fat and thats exactly what green tea extract seems to be doing according to this research. That would make it a great supplement for cutting OR bulking. I will definately be taking GTE year round!
J
References:
(1) Nagao T, Komine Y, Soga S, Meguro S, Hase T, Tanaka Y, Tokimitsu I. Ingestion of a tea rich in catechins leads to a reduction in body fat and malondialdehyde-modified LDL in men. Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):122-9.
(2) Ashida H, Furuyashiki T, Nagayasu H, Bessho H, Sakakibara H, Hashimoto T, Kanazawa K. Anti-obesity actions of green tea: Possible involvements in modulation of the glucose uptake system and suppression of the adipogenesis-related transcription factors. Biofactors. 2004;22(1-4):135-40.
For the green tea extracts, are the catechins a part of the polyphenols content? 'cause I looked at the ingredients, and all it says is:
-300 mg capsules
-less than 1% caffeine
-contains a minimum of 80% polyphenols and 40% EGCg.
That’s it. How can I know?
[quote]gogotheviking wrote:
For the green tea extracts, are the catechins a part of the polyphenols content? 'cause I looked at the ingredients, and all it says is:
-300 mg capsules
-less than 1% caffeine
-contains a minimum of 80% polyphenols and 40% EGCg.
That’s it. How can I know?[/quote]
I only purchased brands that spelled out the amount of catechins. Personally, I purchased a brand that was standardized to 40% catechins per 400mg capsule because Biotest doesn’t produce a green tea product.
At a goal of ~640mg catechins per day, that required 4 capsules taken daily, in the morning on an empty stomach. I did experience occasional minor symptoms of nausea during the 30mins I waited before I ate. This was limited to an occasional clenching of the teeth and a Green Tea burp (similar to a Flameout burp). All symptoms vanished once I ate something.
I took this for about 8 weeks in combination with an ECA stack (25/200/240)1-2x a day and experienced no other ill effects. I continued the GTE alone afterwards, again with no other ill effects.
Given that green tea contains caffeine, people who are sensitive to stimulants may have an issue with it. I have NOT tried it with HOT-ROX (yet), so I can’t comment on any interactions.
[quote]Jaegor wrote:
I only purchased brands that spelled out the amount of catechins. Personally, I purchased a brand that was standardized to 40% catechins per 400mg capsule because Biotest doesn’t produce a green tea product.
At a goal of ~640mg catechins per day, that required 4 capsules taken daily, in the morning on an empty stomach. I did experience occasional minor symptoms of nausea during the 30mins I waited before I ate. This was limited to an occasional clenching of the teeth and a Green Tea burp (similar to a Flameout burp). All symptoms vanished once I ate something.
I took this for about 8 weeks in combination with an ECA stack (25/200/240)1-2x a day and experienced no other ill effects. I continued the GTE alone afterwards, again with no other ill effects.
Given that green tea contains caffeine, people who are sensitive to stimulants may have an issue with it. I have NOT tried it with HOT-ROX (yet), so I can’t comment on any interactions.[/quote]
I think its a pretty good supp and its cheap too right? What brand did you get?
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
I think its a pretty good supp and its cheap too right? What brand did you get?[/quote]
NOW! brand. Cost me about $5 when purchasing off the internet. Runs at around $10 retail. One bottle lasts about 30 days.