[quote]Professor X wrote:
consumer wrote:
i’m going to have to disagree. I study obesity pretty specifically, let me just say to blanket that all people who are obese have behavioral problems is not fair.
Your post here makes no sense. Your comeback to obesity being called a behavioral problem is to call it a “chemical imbalance”? If those “chemicals” are causing someone to ignore their health as they ask for extra Twinkies, then it is also a behavioral problem. Since when are we such basic animals that we can’t control the impulses from our “chemicals”? I have chemicals saying “screw her” to random women I don’t know. Is your wife available?[/quote]
If obesity is a genetic problem, why are people who starve to death always skinny?
I agree with many of the above posters:
Energy In - Energy Out = Energy Stored.
Re Consumer: I read a NYTimes article a few weeks ago that said the propensity for certain behaviors (such as risk-taking, etc) is more hardwired than we originally thought. I assume that the same idea applies to the “genetically behavioral obesity” concept. Though this may be true, I believe most T-Nationers find it objectionable when someone who consciously knows that eating too much makes them fat reaches for a tub of ice cream while bleating that he can’t help it because he’s been “behaviorally programmed” to do it because of his genes.
Once you’re educated, you don’t really have an excuse. We are humans, after all.
I think much of what is later confounded for genetics is actually the spillover of familial habits and the direct influence on food intake in the earliest years of a child’s life. To say “everyone in my family is fat, therefor it must be genetic” just doesn’t cut it. Like other cultural traits dietary habits are past from generation to generation. Combine these habits with the effects of poor diet on the health of the child in their most important developmental years and I think you have a recipe for life long obesity in many cases. One would hope that parents would attempt to “break the cycle,” but a look at childhood obesity rates suggest to the contrary that parents today are killing their children. Even the obesity rate in very young children- 3-5 -is through the roof and there is increasing evidence that this will create lifetime health problems.
Another problem I see all too often is that people lose interest if they don’t see immediate results. How often do you hear someone say they quit their exercise or diet program within a month because “it just wasn’t working” compared to between periods over 6 months? People expect to magically undue years of abuse towards their bodies within short periods of time, all without making permentant changes to lifestyle. Does this mean as soon as the weight is off the plan is to go right back to snack food aisle?
[quote]etaco wrote:
I think much of what is later confounded for genetics is actually the spillover of familial habits and the direct influence on food intake in the earliest years of a child’s life. To say “everyone in my family is fat, therefor it must be genetic” just doesn’t cut it. Like other cultural traits dietary habits are past from generation to generation. Combine these habits with the effects of poor diet on the health of the child in their most important developmental years and I think you have a recipe for life long obesity in many cases. One would hope that parents would attempt to “break the cycle,” but a look at childhood obesity rates suggest to the contrary that parents today are killing their children. Even the obesity rate in very young children- 3-5 -is through the roof and there is increasing evidence that this will create lifetime health problems.
Another problem I see all too often is that people lose interest if they don’t see immediate results. How often do you hear someone say they quit their exercise or diet program within a month because “it just wasn’t working” compared to between periods over 6 months? People expect to magically undue years of abuse towards their bodies within short periods of time, all without making permentant changes to lifestyle. Does this mean as soon as the weight is off the plan is to go right back to snack food aisle?[/quote]
I’ve seen kids eat over 4000 calories and barly gain wieght, and I was gaining too much weight with 2700-3000 calories, while working out (slacking on the cardio though).
I think it’s definitly an individual thing, and there’s no one diet or one excersise routine that will work for everyone (duh), and I’ve also learned that cardio may be necessary even on a restricted calorie, no processed foods diet, AND even when weight training with little rest between sets.
I’m restricting my calories to less than 1700 per day for days at a time and I’m increasing my cardio also, while continuing to hit the weights hard (once I get home from my job training in PA).
I used to weigh 148lbs when I was riding an eliptical machine for 45min a day, 4 days a week in mornings on an empty stomach, while taking an ECA stack, and running 5K races for fun, all while increasing my lifts to over a 1150 PL total.
Then I got brainwashed that I needed carbs, was doing way too much cardio and shouldn’t be doing a split routine, and now I’m just barely stronger, and I weigh 45lbs more.
People are very different, and need to realise that they can’t all get away eating like the naturally skinny people, and the skinny people need to realise they’re going to work hard at eating enough if they want to gain mass.
Karma is a word meaning three things: action, choice, and destiny. In every moment we are making a choice, taking an action, and facing our destiny. Making karma leads to taking karma, as each choice sets us down a path where making that choice again or going further down the path is more possible and more likely.
Think of karma as a screw in a board. Each time you turn the screw to the right, it tightens. But each time you turn it to the left, it loosens. Just like loosening the screw, each time we choose against a certain action, we are gradually removing ourselves from that path.
“As he thinks, so he is; as he continues to think, so he remains” -James Allen
People grow up with different priorities. When they decide they are getting too fat, they don’t have the education to help them get in shape. With lack of education comes the lack of willpower. People who don’t know what they are doing are less confident and less likely to believe in what they are doing.
Whenever my girlfriend wants to lose weight, she shops for low fat foods (like pudding, and 60g-of-HFCS Tropicana “fruit flavored” drinks) and whole grain junk food, like whole grain goldfish. However, when I give her advice, I get treated as if it was taboo to give someone advice on not being fat. Unfortunately, that is beginning to become reality. Welcome to the age where being fat is the norm and saying “no thank you” to the french fries makes you an antisocial deviant.