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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Tirib, statements like this demonstrate starkly and unequivocally that you have NO CLUE what the Catholic church actually teaches. Your motivations show through like a bloody heart on your sleeve. [/quote]I was wondering who would bite. What if I quoted Pat saying essentially this very thing? What if I posted 20 or 30 of his attacks on me personally as a man. My honesty, integrity, sincerity, intelligence, sanity etc. and then challenged you to show where I have ever done the same to him or anybody else as a person even once?

Motives don’t matter to you and neither does arrogant outright personally abusive language as long as somebody calling himself a Catholic does it to me. Then you jump on me for some biting sarcasm not even directed at a person here, but at a belief system I believe with all my heart to be the most singularly evil entity ever to curse the face this earth. What am I to think? Is there no glaring double standard in this?

I have defended Chris when I thought he was being unfairly accused. I refused to join in condemning him when hateful unbelievers showed up with posts of his that I could have mercilessly pounded him with. I have taken on other non Catholics when I thought they were wrong. Pat’s theology AND attitude are a disgrace to even Catholicism and some of you guys absolutely know that, but not a peep because, forget the reputation of Christ, the CHURCH will look bad if we say anything to one of our own. That’s what’s really important isn’t it?

Nevertheless, tell me what you think my motives are. I’m asking with all possible sincerity and if you say what I think you’re going to say I’ll agree.
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Cry me a river…

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:<<< the most archaic, overly-dramatic, colorful language in condemning the other’s dogmas and doctrines? >>>[/quote]Not even you Sloth. One of my top 5 favorite people ever on this site. (that won’t change btw) There is no contest. I’m the only one fitting your description. Why not include juvenile, profane, personally abusive language in your criticism? Because that would indite Pat, a fellow Catholic despite being an ultra liberal one at that.

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle. I will not tolerate unfounded attacks on folks here I’ve grown to care about no matter who they are. Protestant, Catholic or atheist. If I were beating up on western liberalism using the exact same tactics and language, which I’ve done a thousand times, you’d be cheering me on.
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“Because that would indite Pat, a fellow Catholic despite being an ultra liberal one at that.” ← no never ‘personally’ attacked. What ever I say about the Catholic church is 100% in line with the Catechism.

I speak only for myself in the conversations. Not the Church, not BC, not the United States of America. I speak for me.
TULIP is a false belief brought forth by a murderous herertic, whose lies you perpetuate as if written by God himself. You have been arrogant, unreasonable and dishonest in these conversations and I will not for the sake of appearance say differently.
That is MY opinions of YOUR actions here. Nothing more and it is a lie to say otherwise…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
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Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

In all fairness you have not been involved in these conversations. When you present your case fairly and are slapped down with the same lies repeatedly. Being told I believe things I do not believe, being told I am going to hell and my faith is of satan, I lost my will to take the high road.
I will defend myself, no matter how crude it may appear. I have presented my case with respect and an open mind repeatedly and others can vouch for that. In turn I have been slapped in the face in as many times.

I wanted nothing more than to present a united front with faith in Christ only to have my efforts sabotaged by tirib, stinking his nose into my conversations, siding with atheists simply to derail my efforts. He failed, but nonetheless he tried.

So I consciously, and very purposely have committed to not being polite or reasonable any more. I don’t really give a shit who likes it. It’s a forum after all. I am very deliberatly taking the low road. But I respect you, hence the explanation. Now again, you aren’t above getting caught up in the fray either.

Until tirib decides that he will treat me with respect (something he has never done and I doubt he is capable), I will continue with the WWE showdown until I get tired of it, find something better to talk about, or he decides he will respect me and my opinions with out condemnation.

Like I said, try and have a reasonable discussion with him, you’ll see…He even accused you of ‘Us Catholics sticking together’. What hogwash.

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Here is a great piece on the falsehoods and distortions of calvinism. Here are some tasty quotes:
‘Calvin was a cruel, murderous tyrant who considered himself to be the pope of Geneva.’

“Many pastors have written directly from their church website with insulting, hate mail after reading the truths presented here. These pastors are obviously not born-again, Spirit-filled Christians. They are fake Christians. Calvinistic preachers are our modern-day Pharisees who put Jesus on the cross. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing, preaching “another gospel” that the Apostle Paul warned us about. They are in the ministry for power, control and money. They are certainly destined to spend eternity in hell. Their letters have revealed their corrupt hearts to the Holy Spirit.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself… Actually I couldn’t because I cannot know who goes to hell, nor do I pretend to. But I do know they speak against Christ and his loving, healing sacrifice poured out for ALL MEN.

http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
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Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

The discord here about the most fundamental tenets of faith are a perfect illustration of the core reason for my agnosticism. I was once as convinced of the truthfulness of my own religion as Tiribulus and Pat are convinced of theirs. Where is the objective standard for truth here? Clearly, faith doesn’t cut it. Not everyone can be right, yet they have 100% faith that they are right, and those who disagree with them are misguided and mistaken.

This is why Thomas Jefferson warned so vehemently about the dangers of beliefs based on faith. It is so easy to devoutly believe you know the truth, when in fact your beliefs say absolutely nothing about objective reality.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
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Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

The discord here about the most fundamental tenets of faith are a perfect illustration of the core reason for my agnosticism. I was once as convinced of the truthfulness of my own religion as Tiribulus and Pat are convinced of theirs. Where is the objective standard for truth here? Clearly, faith doesn’t cut it. Not everyone can be right, yet they have 100% faith that they are right, and those who disagree with them are misguided and mistaken.

This is why Thomas Jefferson warned so vehemently about the dangers of beliefs based on faith. It is so easy to devoutly believe you know the truth, when in fact your beliefs say absolutely nothing about objective reality.[/quote]

The difference FL, is that you practicing your faith, or tirib practicing his faith is not a condemnation. I don’t think I am right and everybody else is wrong. I don’t think that the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation. I like it the best. I believe it to be the one that Jesus established by his own authority. But I believe that all men are judged by their hearts and God judges not what church you went to, but what kind of person you are and how much love you have for him.
If it hurts your relationship with Christ to be Catholic, then by all means, be something else. Catholics don’t condemn you for thinking different. It’s a cause I take seriously and I don’t pretend to know the mind of God. Only God know’s a mans heart, only man can choose God. That’s the core of the relationship.
I don’t condemn you for being Mormon or agnostic. That’s not my job. However, and I believe this vehemently, that you have a tremendous talent for scripture. I hope and pray that you do use this gift one day. You don’t have to be a Catholic to use this talent, just use it.

I certainly hope you haven’t lumped me in the same boat of fundamentalism as tirib is in…It is these falsehoods I rally against. You KNOW the difference. All men of good will are pleasing to God, not just men chosen by God. He said so and I believe it…Actually, I know it.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
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Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

The discord here about the most fundamental tenets of faith are a perfect illustration of the core reason for my agnosticism. I was once as convinced of the truthfulness of my own religion as Tiribulus and Pat are convinced of theirs. Where is the objective standard for truth here? Clearly, faith doesn’t cut it. Not everyone can be right, yet they have 100% faith that they are right, and those who disagree with them are misguided and mistaken.

This is why Thomas Jefferson warned so vehemently about the dangers of beliefs based on faith. It is so easy to devoutly believe you know the truth, when in fact your beliefs say absolutely nothing about objective reality.[/quote]

My own faith is too real to be shaken by seeing others having a colorful, if not nasty, argument. I for one am not concerned who believes they are right, and me wrong. I am right.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:<<< "So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, Ã???Ã??Ã? but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all)” (Acts 10:34-36 ESV)

I am dying to see where your going to say, "No he meant sort of ‘anyone’ and ‘all’ really means ‘some’. >>>[/quote]You are some piece of work Pat. You just made my point. God does not show partiality between this nation or that, Israel or not. He is absolutely NO respecter of persons. He doesn’t choose anybody based on them in any way.
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Okay, just for a second put the crack pipe down…You can pick it back up in a minute. Now your point is divine election, that God creates men to damn them. Now how in the hell does a statement like “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” support divine election? He said ‘anyone’ not the elect.
How do I make your idiotic point that God is no respecter of persons when a statement like “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” says the exact opposite?
Riddle me that, Jeremiah…
As a matter of fact the statement “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” supports everything I have always said and dispel any and every notion of TULIP. Calvin was a fraud who was closer to satan than God. He spoke instead of God, not for God.

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Why was this not answered?

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:<<< "So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã? but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all)” (Acts 10:34-36 ESV)

I am dying to see where your going to say, "No he meant sort of ‘anyone’ and ‘all’ really means ‘some’. >>>[/quote]You are some piece of work Pat. You just made my point. God does not show partiality between this nation or that, Israel or not. He is absolutely NO respecter of persons. He doesn’t choose anybody based on them in any way.
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Okay, just for a second put the crack pipe down…You can pick it back up in a minute. Now your point is divine election, that God creates men to damn them. Now how in the hell does a statement like “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” support divine election? He said ‘anyone’ not the elect.
How do I make your idiotic point that God is no respecter of persons when a statement like “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” says the exact opposite?
Riddle me that, Jeremiah…
As a matter of fact the statement “anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” supports everything I have always said and dispel any and every notion of TULIP. Calvin was a fraud who was closer to satan than God. He spoke instead of God, not for God.

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Why was this not answered?[/quote]

It never is…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
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Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

The discord here about the most fundamental tenets of faith are a perfect illustration of the core reason for my agnosticism. I was once as convinced of the truthfulness of my own religion as Tiribulus and Pat are convinced of theirs. Where is the objective standard for truth here? Clearly, faith doesn’t cut it. Not everyone can be right, yet they have 100% faith that they are right, and those who disagree with them are misguided and mistaken.

This is why Thomas Jefferson warned so vehemently about the dangers of beliefs based on faith. It is so easy to devoutly believe you know the truth, when in fact your beliefs say absolutely nothing about objective reality.[/quote]

My own faith is too real to be shaken by seeing others having a colorful, if not nasty, argument. I for one am not concerned who believes they are right, and me wrong. I am right.
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No your not I am! :slight_smile:
Hey it’s a dirty job, and sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty.
Besides, how do you know you are right?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

You people value loyalty to your church and each other over even principle.
[/quote]

Nope, meant everyone that it applied to. Which included more than just you. But yes, includes you. I don’t care who started what, be it you or the Catholics, it’s disgusting. You guys managed to turn Christendom into a bad WWE script. I’m flat out embarrassed that a potential inquirer might open this thread and quickly lose interest. This thing stopped being a debate, a conversation, long ago. Everyone should’ve shook off the dust from thir sandals and moved on. Instead we have this crude display. Congrats to you all. [/quote]

The discord here about the most fundamental tenets of faith are a perfect illustration of the core reason for my agnosticism. I was once as convinced of the truthfulness of my own religion as Tiribulus and Pat are convinced of theirs. Where is the objective standard for truth here? Clearly, faith doesn’t cut it. Not everyone can be right, yet they have 100% faith that they are right, and those who disagree with them are misguided and mistaken.

This is why Thomas Jefferson warned so vehemently about the dangers of beliefs based on faith. It is so easy to devoutly believe you know the truth, when in fact your beliefs say absolutely nothing about objective reality.[/quote]

The difference FL, is that you practicing your faith, or tirib practicing his faith is not a condemnation. I don’t think I am right and everybody else is wrong. I don’t think that the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation. I like it the best. I believe it to be the one that Jesus established by his own authority. But I believe that all men are judged by their hearts and God judges not what church you went to, but what kind of person you are and how much love you have for him.
If it hurts your relationship with Christ to be Catholic, then by all means, be something else. Catholics don’t condemn you for thinking different. It’s a cause I take seriously and I don’t pretend to know the mind of God. Only God know’s a mans heart, only man can choose God. That’s the core of the relationship.
I don’t condemn you for being Mormon or agnostic. That’s not my job. However, and I believe this vehemently, that you have a tremendous talent for scripture. I hope and pray that you do use this gift one day. You don’t have to be a Catholic to use this talent, just use it.

I certainly hope you haven’t lumped me in the same boat of fundamentalism as tirib is in…It is these falsehoods I rally against. You KNOW the difference. All men of good will are pleasing to God, not just men chosen by God. He said so and I believe it…Actually, I know it. [/quote]

Pat, I don’t consider you fundamentalist at all, and in fact consider you to be more Christian, in the truest sense of the word, than most other believers in this forum.

My point though, is that I have no way of knowing you’re right and Tiribulus is wrong. I believe your interpretations of scripture are correct, based on my own reading of the bible, but I can’t even assume the bible is correct or that there is a god. And I see significant differences in core beliefs even among Catholics, like you and Chris.

I just don’t see any way to claim I know something is actually true, based on faith. I don’t trust faith because I can see how it leads people to such opposite conclusions.

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[quote]pat wrote:

Besides, how do you know you are right?[/quote]

Faith, my reading, my reasoning, and personal revelation. If someone says as much and arrives at a different faith, they’re either wrong or lying. If that upsets them, their emotional fragility is not my concern. After all, I’ve never lost a wink of sleep simply because Jews, or Hindus, or atheists think I’m wrong. I’m too emotionally mature for that. My Catholicism isn’t akin to having a favorite shirt that seems to just fit the best. I don’t bend it to make people like me, or feel better about being around me. If they can’t handle it, life goes on. I don’t care enough about them being wrong to get caught up in an escalating session name-calling.

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The first principle of being a Catholic is looking for truth, this is usually done by using reason.

Being a Catholic means that you think Catholicism is right and that which disagrees with Catholicism is wrong.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Anyway, here is my response to the other part of your comment:

Is God present in all possibilities simultaneously, or is time a line in which he exists in its entirety? In other words, is there another dimension (so to speak) where I went to the left side in which God also exists?[/quote]

Well it matters, there is no revelation, but there is speculation on there being dimensions. However, if there were other dimensions God would be present in those, as well.

God is omnipresent because what one creates he is master of and not subject to. God created the universe and is not subject to space or time as space and time exist only within the universe.
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Interesting. Thank you for your time, Chris.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

Pat, I don’t consider you fundamentalist at all, and in fact consider you to be more Christian, in the truest sense of the word, than most other believers in this forum.

My point though, is that I have no way of knowing you’re right and Tiribulus is wrong. I believe your interpretations of scripture are correct, based on my own reading of the bible, but I can’t even assume the bible is correct or that there is a god. And I see significant differences in core beliefs even among Catholics, like you and Chris.

I just don’t see any way to claim I know something is actually true, based on faith. I don’t trust faith because I can see how it leads people to such opposite conclusions.[/quote]

There is a full proof way as Jesus stated, you can tell a tree by it’s fruit. If the fruit is rotten so is the tree. Second, there it must past the secular test. Truth is true no matter what, if it’s true in faith is must also be true in secularism. For instance, the Golden Rule vs. Dale Carnegie. What do they teach? Basically if you want respect, you first have to give it. This is true whether in a religious context or not.

Further, between me, Brother Chris, Sloth, Cortes or any other practicing Catholic there is NO difference in our core beliefs. We may have slight disagreements on some not dogmatic semantics, but the core it 100% solid. The church is flexible in that manner, we don’t have to always agree so long as the core is solid.

I hope you can reconcile this stuff one day. The talent you have with scripture is to precious to waste.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Besides, how do you know you are right?[/quote]

Faith, my reading, my reasoning, and personal revelation. If someone says as much and arrives at a different faith, they’re either wrong or lying. If that upsets them, their emotional fragility is not my concern. After all, I’ve never lost a wink of sleep simply because Jews, or Hindus, or atheists think I’m wrong. I’m too emotionally mature for that. My Catholicism isn’t akin to having a favorite shirt that seems to just fit the best. I don’t bend it to make people like me, or feel better about being around me. If they can’t handle it, life goes on. I don’t care enough about them being wrong to get caught up in an escalating session name-calling.[/quote]

"Faith, my reading, my reasoning, and personal revelation. If someone says as much and arrives at a different faith, they’re either wrong or lying. "
LOL! Now that is a bold statement my friend. I disagree because there are to many variables involved and I do know my faithful studious people who have come to follow a different path. Like I said, there are too many variables to say this definitively. I am quite sure my buddy tirib has a bone to pick with such a statement, though I think your admonitions ran him off.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

Pat, I don’t consider you fundamentalist at all, and in fact consider you to be more Christian, in the truest sense of the word, than most other believers in this forum.

My point though, is that I have no way of knowing you’re right and Tiribulus is wrong. I believe your interpretations of scripture are correct, based on my own reading of the bible, but I can’t even assume the bible is correct or that there is a god. And I see significant differences in core beliefs even among Catholics, like you and Chris.

I just don’t see any way to claim I know something is actually true, based on faith. I don’t trust faith because I can see how it leads people to such opposite conclusions.[/quote]

There is a full proof way as Jesus stated, you can tell a tree by it’s fruit. If the fruit is rotten so is the tree. Second, there it must past the secular test. Truth is true no matter what, if it’s true in faith is must also be true in secularism. For instance, the Golden Rule vs. Dale Carnegie. What do they teach? Basically if you want respect, you first have to give it. This is true whether in a religious context or not.

Further, between me, Brother Chris, Sloth, Cortes or any other practicing Catholic there is NO difference in our core beliefs. We may have slight disagreements on some not dogmatic semantics, but the core it 100% solid. The church is flexible in that manner, we don’t have to always agree so long as the core is solid.

I hope you can reconcile this stuff one day. The talent you have with scripture is to precious to waste.[/quote]

I hear what you’re saying, but as the religious debates here illustrate, one man’s fruit is another man’s feces :wink: It’s not surprising that Catholics share the same core beliefs, but what about Calvinists, Methodists, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hindus, and Muslims? It all comes down to faith, and I see no objective means for determining who is right and who is wrong.

I do agree with Jefferson that Jesus was a great man, a wise teacher, and that the world would be far better off if people followed the basic principles of his message on how to treat one another.

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Catholics going to run this country – we’re becoming more Hispanic every day, the SCOTUS is 6/9 Catholics, and my son tells me that something like have of all the Mids at Annapolis are Catholics.

Maybe then some MORALITY can be brought back to this country.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

Pat, I don’t consider you fundamentalist at all, and in fact consider you to be more Christian, in the truest sense of the word, than most other believers in this forum.

My point though, is that I have no way of knowing you’re right and Tiribulus is wrong. I believe your interpretations of scripture are correct, based on my own reading of the bible, but I can’t even assume the bible is correct or that there is a god. And I see significant differences in core beliefs even among Catholics, like you and Chris.

I just don’t see any way to claim I know something is actually true, based on faith. I don’t trust faith because I can see how it leads people to such opposite conclusions.[/quote]

There is a full proof way as Jesus stated, you can tell a tree by it’s fruit. If the fruit is rotten so is the tree. Second, there it must past the secular test. Truth is true no matter what, if it’s true in faith is must also be true in secularism. For instance, the Golden Rule vs. Dale Carnegie. What do they teach? Basically if you want respect, you first have to give it. This is true whether in a religious context or not.

Further, between me, Brother Chris, Sloth, Cortes or any other practicing Catholic there is NO difference in our core beliefs. We may have slight disagreements on some not dogmatic semantics, but the core it 100% solid. The church is flexible in that manner, we don’t have to always agree so long as the core is solid.

I hope you can reconcile this stuff one day. The talent you have with scripture is to precious to waste.[/quote]

I hear what you’re saying, but as the religious debates here illustrate, one man’s fruit is another man’s feces :wink: It’s not surprising that Catholics share the same core beliefs, but what about Calvinists, Methodists, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hindus, and Muslims? It all comes down to faith, and I see no objective means for determining who is right and who is wrong.

I do agree with Jefferson that Jesus was a great man, a wise teacher, and that the world would be far better off if people followed the basic principles of his message on how to treat one another.[/quote]

I agree with Jefferson too. He believed that miracles and divinity were not necessary for belief in God, but it is His creation itself that speaks about him. But most people aren’t as intelligent as Jefferson and they do need miracles and divinity to witness to them. Besides all of Jefferson’s wisdom, he was very, very flawed.

Now, I wrote a bunch of stuff but it some how got erased. Anyhow, there are two commandments above all in scripture, love of God and love of neighbor. You want to know which religions are right? The ones who preach those commandments as the most important…Those who do not are false. Those who judge as if God, those who shut the kingdom of God from others are false. Therefore, it does not matter if you are Jew, Muslim, Christian or Hindu, etc. Do this and you will live, that’s what is taught. If this is your focus in faith, we are one in Christ.
Oh wait, Jesus said that no one can come to the father, but through him! Correct. He is the judge and advocate, but not all know his name. You know who knows Christ?
“Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.”(Matthew 25:40 ESV) ← This is who knows Christ, those who do this.
This is what it means to be Catholic. You do this and let God do the rest.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Catholics going to run this country – we’re becoming more Hispanic every day, the SCOTUS is 6/9 Catholics, and my son tells me that something like have of all the Mids at Annapolis are Catholics.

Maybe then some MORALITY can be brought back to this country.[/quote]

Or some damn good land scaping.