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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Chris, it sounds like you believe the bread and wine are always chemically changed into the body and blood of Christ, but only until they are digested and lose the presence of Christ?

That is a little different from what Pat was saying, if I understand correctly.

So if you were to test the bread and wine after it was blessed, but before it was digested, would it show any measurable changes in physical composition compared to before it received the presence of Christ? [/quote]

No, bread and wine has to be consecrated not blessed, I get my bread and wine blessed around thanksgiving and Christmas, however at the altar they consecrate it bringing the true presence of Christ into the hosts. [/quote]

Ok, just wanted to clarify that you weren’t saying the consecration physically changed the bread and wine into flesh and blood. The chemical makeup would be exactly the same before and after consecration.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Chris, it sounds like you believe the bread and wine are always chemically changed into the body and blood of Christ, but only until they are digested and lose the presence of Christ?

That is a little different from what Pat was saying, if I understand correctly.

So if you were to test the bread and wine after it was blessed, but before it was digested, would it show any measurable changes in physical composition compared to before it received the presence of Christ? [/quote]

No, bread and wine has to be consecrated not blessed, I get my bread and wine blessed around thanksgiving and Christmas, however at the altar they consecrate it bringing the true presence of Christ into the hosts. [/quote]

Ok, just wanted to clarify that you weren’t saying the consecration physically changed the bread and wine into flesh and blood. The chemical makeup would be exactly the same before and after consecration.[/quote]

Yeah, except in some miracles when it does both.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Chris, it sounds like you believe the bread and wine are always chemically changed into the body and blood of Christ, but only until they are digested and lose the presence of Christ?

That is a little different from what Pat was saying, if I understand correctly.

So if you were to test the bread and wine after it was blessed, but before it was digested, would it show any measurable changes in physical composition compared to before it received the presence of Christ? [/quote]

No, bread and wine has to be consecrated not blessed, I get my bread and wine blessed around thanksgiving and Christmas, however at the altar they consecrate it bringing the true presence of Christ into the hosts. [/quote]

Ok, just wanted to clarify that you weren’t saying the consecration physically changed the bread and wine into flesh and blood. The chemical makeup would be exactly the same before and after consecration.[/quote]

Yeah, except in some miracles when it does both.[/quote]

Road trip!

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Chris, it sounds like you believe the bread and wine are always chemically changed into the body and blood of Christ, but only until they are digested and lose the presence of Christ?

That is a little different from what Pat was saying, if I understand correctly.

So if you were to test the bread and wine after it was blessed, but before it was digested, would it show any measurable changes in physical composition compared to before it received the presence of Christ? [/quote]

No, bread and wine has to be consecrated not blessed, I get my bread and wine blessed around thanksgiving and Christmas, however at the altar they consecrate it bringing the true presence of Christ into the hosts. [/quote]

Ok, just wanted to clarify that you weren’t saying the consecration physically changed the bread and wine into flesh and blood. The chemical makeup would be exactly the same before and after consecration.[/quote]

Yeah, except in some miracles when it does both.[/quote]

Road trip![/quote]

Stop it! I have been planning on going for a long time, I ain’t got no money to be traveling across the country. Although if I did I’d hop on a plane and be out of here.

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[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

Well, I am not absolutely certain on the Catholic stance, but I believe that is it. Which actually makes sense, because if Christ’s presence, his whole self became part of you, then you wouldn’t need to take it more than once, and we’d be considered tabernacles that house the Holy presence.
Besides, I don’t know about you, but there is only room in my body for one of us. :slight_smile:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

Well, I am not absolutely certain on the Catholic stance, but I believe that is it. Which actually makes sense, because if Christ’s presence, his whole self became part of you, then you wouldn’t need to take it more than once, and we’d be considered tabernacles that house the Holy presence.
Besides, I don’t know about you, but there is only room in my body for one of us. :)[/quote]

Sorry, I was AWOL for a little bit.

In John 6:56, Jesus says whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood abides in Me, and I in him. Thus, Jesus remains in us, even if temporarily. Some say that Jesus remains for about 10 minutes. Frequently Asked Questions: Fasting after communion.

See St. Padre Pio’s prayer on this Feast Of Saints - Purchase the Domain Name FeastOfSaints.com today!

The Cathecism provides:

Catechism Section 1085
In the Liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. During his earthly life Jesus announced his Paschal mystery by his teachings and anticipated it by his actions. When his Hour comes, he lives out the unique event of history which does not pass away: Jesus dies, is buried, rises from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father “once for all.” His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is – all that he did and suffered for all people – participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.

Catechism Section 1104
Christian liturgy not only recalls the events that saved us but actualizes them, makes them present. The Paschal mystery of Christ is celebrated, not repeated. It is the celebrations that are repeated, and in each celebration there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that makes the unique mystery present.

Additionally, the breaking of bread was very significant in Jesus’s time. In 1 Cor. 11:27-32, Paul says that the people have become ill from failing to discern the body and blood. Moreover, everytime the disciples met they broke bread.

In short, Jesus does become part of us but only temporarily.

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[quote]McG78 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

Well, I am not absolutely certain on the Catholic stance, but I believe that is it. Which actually makes sense, because if Christ’s presence, his whole self became part of you, then you wouldn’t need to take it more than once, and we’d be considered tabernacles that house the Holy presence.
Besides, I don’t know about you, but there is only room in my body for one of us. :)[/quote]

Sorry, I was AWOL for a little bit.

In John 6:56, Jesus says whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood abides in Me, and I in him. Thus, Jesus remains in us, even if temporarily. Some say that Jesus remains for about 10 minutes. Frequently Asked Questions: Fasting after communion.

See St. Padre Pio’s prayer on this Feast Of Saints - Purchase the Domain Name FeastOfSaints.com today!

The Cathecism provides:

Catechism Section 1085
In the Liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. During his earthly life Jesus announced his Paschal mystery by his teachings and anticipated it by his actions. When his Hour comes, he lives out the unique event of history which does not pass away: Jesus dies, is buried, rises from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father “once for all.” His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is – all that he did and suffered for all people – participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.

Catechism Section 1104
Christian liturgy not only recalls the events that saved us but actualizes them, makes them present. The Paschal mystery of Christ is celebrated, not repeated. It is the celebrations that are repeated, and in each celebration there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that makes the unique mystery present.

Additionally, the breaking of bread was very significant in Jesus’s time. In 1 Cor. 11:27-32, Paul says that the people have become ill from failing to discern the body and blood. Moreover, everytime the disciples met they broke bread.

In short, Jesus does become part of us but only temporarily. [/quote]

Good stuff! Thanks.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

God leaves you when you sin, that is why some people have a devotion to their guardian angel.

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[quote]McG78 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

Well, I am not absolutely certain on the Catholic stance, but I believe that is it. Which actually makes sense, because if Christ’s presence, his whole self became part of you, then you wouldn’t need to take it more than once, and we’d be considered tabernacles that house the Holy presence.
Besides, I don’t know about you, but there is only room in my body for one of us. :)[/quote]

Sorry, I was AWOL for a little bit.

In John 6:56, Jesus says whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood abides in Me, and I in him. Thus, Jesus remains in us, even if temporarily. Some say that Jesus remains for about 10 minutes. Frequently Asked Questions: Fasting after communion.

See St. Padre Pio’s prayer on this Feast Of Saints - Purchase the Domain Name FeastOfSaints.com today!

The Cathecism provides:

Catechism Section 1085
In the Liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. During his earthly life Jesus announced his Paschal mystery by his teachings and anticipated it by his actions. When his Hour comes, he lives out the unique event of history which does not pass away: Jesus dies, is buried, rises from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father “once for all.” His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is – all that he did and suffered for all people – participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.

Catechism Section 1104
Christian liturgy not only recalls the events that saved us but actualizes them, makes them present. The Paschal mystery of Christ is celebrated, not repeated. It is the celebrations that are repeated, and in each celebration there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that makes the unique mystery present.

Additionally, the breaking of bread was very significant in Jesus’s time. In 1 Cor. 11:27-32, Paul says that the people have become ill from failing to discern the body and blood. Moreover, everytime the disciples met they broke bread.

In short, Jesus does become part of us but only temporarily. [/quote]

I like Padre Pio’s stance on it. Once, he was asked to bless a home for a parish family, so he went to their house and stopped before he left their kitchen and said I cannot go any farther, the family that lives here gossips about others. Later he explained that when we gossip the Lord leaves us, and generally when we sin the Presence leaves us. People who understand this usually have some kind of devotion to their Guardian Angel because even though God cannot be present within us when we are living in sin, our Guardian Angel is commanded to protect us through all times.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I like Padre Pio’s stance on it. Once, he was asked to bless a home for a parish family, so he went to their house and stopped before he left their kitchen and said I cannot go any farther, the family that lives here gossips about others. Later he explained that when we gossip the Lord leaves us, and generally when we sin the Presence leaves us. People who understand this usually have some kind of devotion to their Guardian Angel because even though God cannot be present within us when we are living in sin, our Guardian Angel is commanded to protect us through all times.[/quote]AND[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I’m glad you know how to edit my post so it reads as if it were a personal statement.

However, Jesus would agree with this particular Saint, as he told people to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do. Matthew 23:1-3.

I don’t understand why you think it is a struggling friendship.

Anyway, people are connected to the Catholic Church through Salvific truth, Orthodox being first as they have all seven sacraments, Protestants, &c.

Anyway, they are related through Salvific Truth, however they are further away from us NOT by what they do not claim of the truth, BUT of what they DENY of the truth.

See Muslims, they believe there is one God. Catholics can agree on that, they believe Jesus was a great Prophet (now if this is all he was, that can be argued but in a single claim here) we can agree with that, so we have some points of relation. They have similar beliefs in Mary, Purgatory, Theology of God, &c. So they have relations with the Catholic Church on Salvific relations. However, how we are separated is that they deny Jesus to be God. And, there are many relations with people around the world that only God could know.

That is like some Chinese priests I know, they knew Jesus was God…they just couldn’t come to becoming a Christian because there was no great mother. However, when they learned that some Christians do have a great mother (three mother’s actually) they became Catholics and that is because their religion had a mother (now it may be wrong in the sense they thought one of their great mothers was a God) but part of it was close to Catholicism as the Holy Ghost is our Mother Wisdom, which is the most perfect and full image of Motherhood which Mary reflected, which the Church tries to reflect Mary’s image sitting at the feet of Jesus, her bridegroom.[/quote]You’re killin me with these here posts Chris. Jist killin me. I have been staring at this screen for about 5 minutes. I don’t even know how to respond any more. I am at present at a loss for an inoffensive way to answer any of this so I’ll pass for now.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I like Padre Pio’s stance on it. Once, he was asked to bless a home for a parish family, so he went to their house and stopped before he left their kitchen and said I cannot go any farther, the family that lives here gossips about others. Later he explained that when we gossip the Lord leaves us, and generally when we sin the Presence leaves us. People who understand this usually have some kind of devotion to their Guardian Angel because even though God cannot be present within us when we are living in sin, our Guardian Angel is commanded to protect us through all times.[/quote]AND[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I’m glad you know how to edit my post so it reads as if it were a personal statement.

However, Jesus would agree with this particular Saint, as he told people to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do. Matthew 23:1-3.

I don’t understand why you think it is a struggling friendship.

Anyway, people are connected to the Catholic Church through Salvific truth, Orthodox being first as they have all seven sacraments, Protestants, &c.

Anyway, they are related through Salvific Truth, however they are further away from us NOT by what they do not claim of the truth, BUT of what they DENY of the truth.

See Muslims, they believe there is one God. Catholics can agree on that, they believe Jesus was a great Prophet (now if this is all he was, that can be argued but in a single claim here) we can agree with that, so we have some points of relation. They have similar beliefs in Mary, Purgatory, Theology of God, &c. So they have relations with the Catholic Church on Salvific relations. However, how we are separated is that they deny Jesus to be God. And, there are many relations with people around the world that only God could know.

That is like some Chinese priests I know, they knew Jesus was God…they just couldn’t come to becoming a Christian because there was no great mother. However, when they learned that some Christians do have a great mother (three mother’s actually) they became Catholics and that is because their religion had a mother (now it may be wrong in the sense they thought one of their great mothers was a God) but part of it was close to Catholicism as the Holy Ghost is our Mother Wisdom, which is the most perfect and full image of Motherhood which Mary reflected, which the Church tries to reflect Mary’s image sitting at the feet of Jesus, her bridegroom.[/quote]You’re killin me with these here posts Chris. Jist killin me. I have been staring at this screen for about 5 minutes. I don’t even know how to respond any more. I am at present at a loss for an inoffensive way to answer any of this so I’ll pass for now.
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Please say it…because I am not understanding what you are getting at, are you comparing a Holy man not wanting to enter a house of gossips and somehow the Church being invalid because of sinners that happen to be anointed and ordained with the Holy Ghost as no layman is? Guess what, Tirib, you are a sinner too, without God’s grace you deserve everything the most corrupt man in the world deserves, Hell. You are basically saying you are better than these corrupt men, which makes you boastful. The lord uses the weakest to do His work to show to the world His power.

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Remember when we had that exchange about a dear brother I deeply respected telling me I was wasting God’s time in continuing to debate with you and you misinterpreted that to mean YOU were a waste? Remember that. This is why he said that. The posts I have typed that are diametrically opposed to everything you are representing me to be saying would probably fill a volume a half inch thick… literally.

Yet here you are portraying me as holding views and attitudes that I have already exhaustively denounced in previous posts. Not to mention the voluminous affirmative declarations I have made which if taken seriously and understood could not possibly allow an intelligent man such as yourself to say what you just did.

Look, there’s a few people around here I really have a heart for and you are one of em, but what is the point any more? You’re not stupid. None of you guys are, but I could write that Canada is north of the United states (except Detroit) and you would respond by wondering what is wrong with me that I think Canada is in Nogales Mexico.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Remember when we had that exchange about a dear brother I deeply respected telling me I was wasting God’s time in continuing to debate with you and you misinterpreted that to mean YOU were a waste? Remember that. This is why he said that. The posts I have typed that are diametrically opposed to everything you are representing me to be saying would probably fill a volume a half inch thick… literally.

Yet here you are portraying me as holding views and attitudes that I have already exhaustively denounced in previous posts. Not to mention the voluminous affirmative declarations I have made which if taken seriously and understood could not possibly allow an intelligent man such as yourself to say what you just did.

Look, there’s a few people around here I really have a heart for and you are one of em, but what is the point any more? You’re not stupid. None of you guys are, but I could write that Canada is north of the United states (except Detroit) and you would respond by wondering what is wrong with me that I think Canada is in Nogales Mexico.[/quote]

I asked you to tell me what you thought, and I asked if my presumption was right. And your analogy does not make sense.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Remember when we had that exchange about a dear brother I deeply respected telling me I was wasting God’s time in continuing to debate with you and you misinterpreted that to mean YOU were a waste? Remember that. This is why he said that. The posts I have typed that are diametrically opposed to everything you are representing me to be saying would probably fill a volume a half inch thick… literally.

Yet here you are portraying me as holding views and attitudes that I have already exhaustively denounced in previous posts. Not to mention the voluminous affirmative declarations I have made which if taken seriously and understood could not possibly allow an intelligent man such as yourself to say what you just did.

Look, there’s a few people around here I really have a heart for and you are one of em, but what is the point any more? You’re not stupid. None of you guys are, but I could write that Canada is north of the United states (except Detroit) and you would respond by wondering what is wrong with me that I think Canada is in Nogales Mexico.[/quote]

You do realize that Padre Pio had the stigmata? The fully verified, over and over again stigmata. You can hate the faith all you want, but you cannot deny that this man had special gifts from God.
Either that or he was a circus freak of monumental proportions. Look him up, even the most closed of minds had to admit there was something up that is not of man going on.

You’re not wasting God’s time unless you claim to be debating God; then you would be most definitely be wasting his and yours.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Remember when we had that exchange about a dear brother I deeply respected telling me I was wasting God’s time in continuing to debate with you and you misinterpreted that to mean YOU were a waste? Remember that. This is why he said that. The posts I have typed that are diametrically opposed to everything you are representing me to be saying would probably fill a volume a half inch thick… literally.

Yet here you are portraying me as holding views and attitudes that I have already exhaustively denounced in previous posts. Not to mention the voluminous affirmative declarations I have made which if taken seriously and understood could not possibly allow an intelligent man such as yourself to say what you just did.

Look, there’s a few people around here I really have a heart for and you are one of em, but what is the point any more? You’re not stupid. None of you guys are, but I could write that Canada is north of the United states (except Detroit) and you would respond by wondering what is wrong with me that I think Canada is in Nogales Mexico.[/quote]

I asked you to tell me what you thought, and I asked if my presumption was right. And your analogy does not make sense.[/quote]

Well he has never even brought up a real example of why the Catholic Church is from the devil. Oh he made a few up out of thin air, he made baseless accusations, but no real actual reason.

I think it really boils down to ego and nothing more…

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I asked you to tell me what you thought, and I asked if my presumption was right. And your analogy does not make sense.[/quote]OK, thought about which part? Of course my analogy doesn’t make sense. Neither does reminding me that I’m a sinner as if I somehow had conveyed that I had any doubt about that when I have in fact declared exactly that one million times.

For the record. The guy who was telling me to back off on you was also saying that I was being unproductively harsh with you guys if not flat out ungodly. He didn’t actually say that outright, but I got what he meant. In my spiritual immaturity it took me seeing the anger that I had roused, especially in Pat, to get the picture. I honestly wasn’t TRYING to get you guys upset (I don’t think), but looking back over some of those posts I see where the love of Christ was not foremost in my motivation and for that I am sorry. I don’t want there to be hatred between any of us here. That would not be glorifying to the Lord.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I asked you to tell me what you thought, and I asked if my presumption was right. And your analogy does not make sense.[/quote]OK, thought about which part? Of course my analogy doesn’t make sense. Neither does reminding me that I’m a sinner as if I somehow had conveyed that I had any doubt about that when I have in fact declared exactly that one million times.

For the record. The guy who was telling me to back off on you was also saying that I was being unproductively harsh with you guys if not flat out ungodly. He didn’t actually say that outright, but I got what he meant. In my spiritual immaturity it took me seeing the anger that I had roused, especially in Pat, to get the picture. I honestly wasn’t TRYING to get you guys upset (I don’t think), but looking back over some of those posts I see where the love of Christ was not foremost in my motivation and for that I am sorry. I don’t want there to be hatred between any of us here. That would not be glorifying to the Lord.
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Dude, when you rant against my faith in way that can only be perceived as pure hatred, what do you expect? Let me give you an example of a Tiribulus rant:
"You see that’s the problem when you follow the self serving abomination in Rome. They who forgot who Christ was and only think about themselves provides this thinking that is an abomination to God and His beloved son who gave us his beloved sacrifice…etc, blah, blah, blah.

Don’t expect a positive response. I mean really what do you expect? Should we just go “Oh my God, I didn’t think of that way! I am going to change right now!”
You make a great deal of accusation without basis.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

God leaves you when you sin, that is why some people have a devotion to their guardian angel.[/quote]

Well, I really don’t mean to nit-pick, but God never leaves anyone. God is and always has been Omnipresent. OUR focus and perception leaves Him when, for example, we gossip. I believe it’s an important distinction.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Christ says:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this IS my body.’” ~ Mt 26:26

Now the hosts loose the presence and the properties of the host disintegrate, so once the host gets digested it can no longer host Christ’s presence and ‘it’ goes back from whence it came. Same with the wine.

[/quote]

I was taught (as a Lutheran) that the Christ presence becomes part of you (like any food) and lives within. It does not ‘go back’.[/quote]

God leaves you when you sin, that is why some people have a devotion to their guardian angel.[/quote]

Well, I really don’t mean to nit-pick, but God never leaves anyone. God is and always has been Omnipresent. OUR focus and perception leaves Him when, for example, we gossip. I believe it’s an important distinction.

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When we eat his flesh and drink his blood, we are in him and he is in us, when we sin that presence leaves us. That also means that we leave him. Does a bride not separate herself from her husband when she has be adulterous?