[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
You have said that some bad people have done some bad things, to which I pointed out that not only is that everywhere, but also in various protestant denominations. You have been less then clear. [/quote]
Let’s see, I referenced the John Jay Report: John Jay Report - Wikipedia
You said something about only a few cases were proven and something about them being old. Sorry, I can’t find the post, so I may not be accurately reproducing your words.
The report states:
- substantiated 6,700 accusations
- 384 were charged resulting in 252 convictions and 100 prison sentences
“The Church was widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops knew about some of the alleged crimes committed, but reassigned the accused instead of seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood.”
Do you think the convicted priests should be defrocked Pat? Were they?
Note also the civil authority had to make a special law to remind the church that child abuse by priests is to be reported to the police.
Yes, this stuff happens in all kinds of churches, but you have to admit the number of incidents taking place in RC churches is no less than STAGGERING.
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Anybody found guilty of sexually abusing a child should be jailed for life in the worse of conditions. I have no sympathy for those who hurt a child.
The preist who, of those that were still alive and were convicted were relieved of their duties and sentenced to prison. Now, you cannot say an accusation equals an actual event. There have been plenty of people looking for a free money by making false claims.
You know what happens to people who get falsely accused of sexual abuse? Their lives are ruined. You know what happens to the accusers? Nothing. Do you think it’s right for people to make false accusations against other people for a check.
Should a priest falsely accused of abuse, be defrocked?
Further, I challenge you to find me a shred of Catholic doctrine that supports the abuse of a minor? Does your church have such doctrines? Do you think protestants haven’t sexually abused minors? What do you have to say for them. Is it ok, because they are protestant? Is this something you are going to pretend like it doesn’t exist? Oh it does, and in far greater numbers than you will admit. Why doesn’t it make big news? Is it so common that it isn’t news anymore?
Seems to me you need to clean up your own house, we have cleaned up ours…
Maybe you should take a hike until you are interest in fair honest dialog. For a religious person, you have been anything but fair and honest, here. [/quote]
Just shut him up with this;
Who is the church, then?
“Oh, it’s x-denomination”
I see, so Christ’s church didn’t actually exist until x-protestant created it many centuries later. And has anyone in that church ever sinned? Because if failure to be ‘church’ is defined by man’s sinfulness, then hell prevailed against it from the start. And always would’ve, if dependent on man’s sinful nature.
Now, if the ‘church’ is just Christians reading bibles…are they trying to claim these can’t/don’t sin? Nullifying the definition of ‘Christian.’
