[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What’s the difference between myself and everybody else in this thread that you don’t answer me Christopher?[/quote]
What are you talking about? What question?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Please accept my apologies.
So what’s the difference between a pastoral assistant and an assistant pastor?
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Difference between the Secretary and Executive Secretary. One is an executive, one assists the executive. [/quote]
Huh. I would have thought that would be the difference between a pastor and an assistant pastor.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Please accept my apologies.
So what’s the difference between a pastoral assistant and an assistant pastor?
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Difference between the Secretary and Executive Secretary. One is an executive, one assists the executive. [/quote]
Huh. I would have thought that would be the difference between a pastor and an assistant pastor.[/quote]
An executive secretary is a secretary to the executive, the Secretary is an executive. Depending on the hierarchy of King’s community, an assistant pastor would be among “executives” and being a pastoral assistant would mean you are an assistant to the pastor.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What’s the difference between myself and everybody else in this thread that you don’t answer me Christopher?[/quote]
What are you talking about? What question?[/quote]I do hereby stand corrected Christopher and humbly beg your most gracious and undeserved forgiveness with all proper and abject servility. The following post was to Karado and happened over a long portion of the morning and by the time I finished it, I had it in my head it was to you. My fault. Consider the following as addressed to you.
[quote]Karado wrote:<<< what about Japan? They are still around and kickin’ and they are NOT Christian…where are the Riots, Looting, and Pandemonum there?[/quote]And never were. I’ll say it again. we are uniquely judged because we were uniquely blessed and uniquely declared our dependence upon the God of the bible as a nation as we set forth our trajectory at our founding. http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/index3.html That’s how we defeated slavery in our midst and provided the greatest opportunity on earth for a man who would simply show up and work hard.
Yes, just as a Christian individual will struggle with sin and corruption all the days of his life, so will a nation this side of the final resurrection. THE foundational rudder in this nation by which the whole is steered is the absolute bedrock principles of marriage, family and sex. As those go so goes the nation. These were once directly informed by the new testament and the protestant reformation.
We excelled and ascended to the status of untouchable superpower, culminating in the world watching Neal Armstrong reading the book of genesis on the moon. The poison was already being drunk though. The tidal wave of perversion and whoredom was in full swing and today’s debt stangled, bleeding whimpering dying United States was already inevitable on the path she was then talking.
Why was she taking this path? Because THE CHURCH, by which I do not mean Catholic (Big C), was already gagging on modernist liberalism in the form of denigrating the authenticity and authority of scripture and the Satanic deception of macro bio-evolution. She was in the midst of surrender right when the country needed her most.
In her idolatrous quest at seeking her own relevance by fitting in with a culture of increasing godlessness she spurned the power of God, which comes only through purity of belief and hence purity of obedience. Look around these forums. There are numerous people claiming to be Christians who are in every way that matters, no different from the culture of Death and perversion Christ calls His people out of. They PM me. “Oh Tirb, you’re driving people away with all this narrow fundamentalist stuff. We need to learn to be like them so they’ll listen.” In essence. That is the lie of the devil.
The true church’s relevance lies exactly in her not being conformed to the world and by being transformed into the mind of Christ whereby she is a loud crystal clear voice of the holiness of God, the sinfulness of man and the cross and empty tomb of Jesus Christ, the only eternally begotten Son of the one true and living God as the answer.
All one need do is change the Big C in Voris’s sermonette to a small one and that first video posted by dearest Christopher becomes the best 14 minutes of media of the year. The Roman Catholic Church however had no place of significant influence in this country until JFK. Right when Voris quite accurately states that our decline and judgement was about to begin. Rome has never been a force for righteousness anywhere in this world for many dozens of centuries.
She is a fat bloated, waddling, spiritually impotent religio/political empire and an affront to the God of the bible. THE true church of Christ and her God, whose providence not even that pagan Thomas Jefferson dared deny the colonies firm reliance on, IS the story of this nation. Not Roman Catholicism which was barely even tolerated and would have been illegal had many had their way.
The last 50 years has seen an ever rising tide of liberalism in the evangelical church, the evangelical church’s embracing of Rome AND the lethal family destroying sexual promiscuity Voris decries. Three sides of the same coin.
I’m ready when you are Chris. I utterly respect Micheal Voris. AND you. I truly believe that you have a thirst for truth and righteousness. Both of you. Tragically however, you have your face planted in the sandy bottom of a dry well.
I am an ambassador representing God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, who for the manifestation of the glory of his eternal power, wisdom, and goodness, in the beginning created from nothing the world, and all things therein, whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days, and all very good. I pray that I might decrease so that He might increase and that my every thought and Word bring glory to His magnificent name in this discussion. You can represent your church.
Tell me where I’m wrong. For right now I couldn’t care less about the revisionist croakings of the God hating unbelievers around here. YOU tell me where I’m wrong. IF you would be so magnanimous and accommodating. I’m gonna invite your friends from Fundamentalist Logic 101. You can advise them to the contrary if you see fit.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What’s the difference between myself and everybody else in this thread that you don’t answer me Christopher?[/quote]
What are you talking about? What question?[/quote]I do hereby stand corrected Christopher and humbly beg your most gracious and undeserved forgiveness with all proper and abject servility. The following post was to Karado and happened over a long portion of the morning and by the time I finished it, I had it in my head it was to you. My fault. Consider the following as addressed to you.
[quote]Karado wrote:<<< what about Japan? They are still around and kickin’ and they are NOT Christian…where are the Riots, Looting, and Pandemonum there?[/quote]And never were. I’ll say it again. we are uniquely judged because we were uniquely blessed and uniquely declared our dependence upon the God of the bible as a nation as we set forth our trajectory at our founding. http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/index3.html That’s how we defeated slavery in our midst and provided the greatest opportunity on earth for a man who would simply show up and work hard.
Yes, just as a Christian individual will struggle with sin and corruption all the days of his life, so will a nation this side of the final resurrection. THE foundational rudder in this nation by which the whole is steered is the absolute bedrock principles of marriage, family and sex. As those go so goes the nation. These were once directly informed by the new testament and the protestant reformation.
We excelled and ascended to the status of untouchable superpower, culminating in the world watching Neal Armstrong reading the book of genesis on the moon. The poison was already being drunk though. The tidal wave of perversion and whoredom was in full swing and today’s debt stangled, bleeding whimpering dying United States was already inevitable on the path she was then talking.
Why was she taking this path? Because THE CHURCH, by which I do not mean Catholic (Big C), was already gagging on modernist liberalism in the form of denigrating the authenticity and authority of scripture and the Satanic deception of macro bio-evolution. She was in the midst of surrender right when the country needed her most.
In her idolatrous quest at seeking her own relevance by fitting in with a culture of increasing godlessness she spurned the power of God, which comes only through purity of belief and hence purity of obedience. Look around these forums. There are numerous people claiming to be Christians who are in every way that matters, no different from the culture of Death and perversion Christ calls His people out of. They PM me. “Oh Tirb, you’re driving people away with all this narrow fundamentalist stuff. We need to learn to be like them so they’ll listen.” In essence. That is the lie of the devil.
The true church’s relevance lies exactly in her not being conformed to the world and by being transformed into the mind of Christ whereby she is a loud crystal clear voice of the holiness of God, the sinfulness of man and the cross and empty tomb of Jesus Christ, the only eternally begotten Son of the one true and living God as the answer.
All one need do is change the Big C in Voris’s sermonette to a small one and that first video posted by dearest Christopher becomes the best 14 minutes of media of the year. The Roman Catholic Church however had no place of significant influence in this country until JFK. Right when Voris quite accurately states that our decline and judgement was about to begin. Rome has never been a force for righteousness anywhere in this world for many dozens of centuries.
She is a fat bloated, waddling, spiritually impotent religio/political empire and an affront to the God of the bible. THE true church of Christ and her God, whose providence not even that pagan Thomas Jefferson dared deny the colonies firm reliance on, IS the story of this nation. Not Roman Catholicism which was barely even tolerated and would have been illegal had many had their way.
The last 50 years has seen an ever rising tide of liberalism in the evangelical church, the evangelical church’s embracing of Rome AND the lethal family destroying sexual promiscuity Voris decries. Three sides of the same coin.
I’m ready when you are Chris. I utterly respect Micheal Voris. AND you. I truly believe that you have a thirst for truth and righteousness. Both of you. Tragically however, you have your face planted in the sandy bottom of a dry well.
I am an ambassador representing God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, who for the manifestation of the glory of his eternal power, wisdom, and goodness, in the beginning created from nothing the world, and all things therein, whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days, and all very good. I pray that I might decrease so that He might increase and that my every thought and Word bring glory to His magnificent name in this discussion. You can represent your church.
Tell me where I’m wrong. For right now I couldn’t care less about the revisionist croakings of the God hating unbelievers around here. YOU tell me where I’m wrong. IF you would be so magnanimous and accommodating. I’m gonna invite your friends from Fundamentalist Logic 101. You can advise them to the contrary if you see fit.
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tl;dr, I’ll be back on Monday or maybe if I have sometime during the afternoon while hunting over this thanksgiving break. Yes, that is right for Thanksgiving I am hunting. Which reminds me I need to buy some shooting sticks.
Have fun hunting Chris. Bag one for me. I haven’t been hunting in forever. Get to this when you can.
[quote]undoredo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Again, I’m not Cat-Bashing. I know a few Catholics and they are genuinely good people. (what I’m saying is: I have a few Catholic friends, so that proves I’m not a religionist)
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Isn’t that like saying your not racist because you have a couple of black friends???
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Pretty sure the “proof” inside the parentheses is just joshin’.
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So was I.
I have a feeling JP was not actually jokin.
I probably disagree with this guy on 95% of possible issues, but hes vortex vids are actually entertaining
and not in a haha look at that dumb guy entertaining, but genuinly entertaining and interresting. I wasted two hours on him today.
In this vid he`s actually killing it.
[quote]undoredo wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
… (what I’m saying is: I have a few Catholic friends, so that proves I’m not a religionist)
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Pretty sure the “proof” inside the parentheses is just joshin’.
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I have a feeling JP was not actually jokin.
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Applicable to the “proof” inside the parentheses?
I love the guy, but this one is full of all the same Catholic lies that Catholicism is. My faith is taken from the 2000-3500 year old scriptures that contradict his faith at every turn. This video is typical of Catholic disinformation on the topics it addresses and a different discussion. Every time I try to take this up with some Catholic somewhere they don’t have time, throw out insults, disable my ability to reply and or refuse to publish my posts and run away. Except dearest Christopher. God bless that boy.
I understand why it seem persuasive to somebody who doesn’t know any better. No offense, seriously, but I’m reasonably certain all you know about the history of Christian theology is in this video.
I should let him speak for himself and I mean no insult to him either, but yes. I think he was serious. BTW, do you work in graphic design or CAD or something?
The parenthetical statement was a joke, but my first statement was completely serious. As a matter of fact, my mom is Catholic. I have no problem with Catholics as people, but I cannot agree with the religion as a whole.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The parenthetical statement was a joke, >>>[/quote]Then I stand corrected and apologize.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The parenthetical statement was a joke,[/quote]
Thought so. But I did not realize that Pat’s reaction to the parenthetical statement was also a joke.
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but my first statement was completely serious.[/quote]
Thought so.
No apology needed, Ti, we cool.
Just trying to lighten the mood a little bit.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I love the guy, but this one is full of all the same Catholic lies that Catholicism is. My faith is taken from the 2000-3500 year old scriptures that contradict his faith at every turn. This video is typical of Catholic disinformation on the topics it addresses and a different discussion. Every time I try to take this up with some Catholic somewhere they don’t have time, throw out insults, disable my ability to reply and or refuse to publish my posts and run away. Except dearest Christopher. God bless that boy.
I understand why it seem persuasive to somebody who doesn’t know any better. No offense, seriously, but I’m reasonably certain all you know about the history of Christian theology is in this video.
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Remember I am neither catholic nor protestant so I have no interrest in him being right or wrong and merely find the video funny and as a good example of this guys retorical abillitys. What I found funny, entertaining etc was that he used the baptists words against mormonism against the baptist.
Regarding the other: you are both correct and wrong with your statement
“I understand why it seem persuasive to somebody who doesnt know any better. no offense,, seriously, but Im reasonably certain all you know about the history of Christian theology is in this video”
You are correct in that I dont know very much about christian theology and that you and the other christians here( catholic and protestants alike ) have probably FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT THAN I EVER WILL KNOW. On the other hand you are not correct in that this video is all I have encountered regarding christian teology since I have been lately reading a book on the subject of the curchs history( I am taking christendom and religion this semester ). I am not finnished and have only read about the early church( 70-300 AD ), wich basickly, if I am not mistaken the era the Bible and much of the core doctrins of the christian faith was established ( And where teological doctrines like gnosticism, markionism, montanism and other doctrines where weeded out. ). Not saying me reading a book makes me anything close to an expert or even somewhat knowledgeable on the subject.
Just showing I am not completly ignorant on the subject, altough I am mostly ignorant LOL.
Remember I dont agree with the vortex guy on most anything and my point was only that hes good at delivering hes meesage. He is kinda like the catholic version of Bill Whittle IMO( another guy I disagree with, but whos also good at delivering hes message )
I actually understood almost all of that except I didn’t know you were taking a class or reading a book on these subjects. Depending on the class and the book that could be really good or really bad.
His arguments against Baptists is not sound and the Baptist minister’s arguments against Mormonism are. These are huge topics that hundreds of volumes have been written about. These guys always kill me with this. The glib tone and condescending smirk while being absolutely wrong about virtually every syllable that falls from their lips. Don’t misunderstand. I like Voris alot. His church would do very well to listen to men like him. They won’t though and never have for centuries and centuries.
Luther had the same problem, but he was able to accept the fact that he would never in that church see the realization of what the scriptures promised. Because having now studied those scriptures on his own, he saw that whatever that thing in Rome had become, it bore no resemblance to the Jesus or gospel he saw there.
Her uninterrupted history of loud public perversion and corruption (which continues to this very day) then made perfect sense. Of course that church would never be a force for the righteous advancement of the kingdom of Christ in the earth. She was awash to her core with false doctrine and pagan practice which has only gotten worse since Luther’s day.
This was crystal clear to protestants until the later 20th century when the fruits of other deadly compromise, even from some who really should have known better, began to sprout into a new found brotherhood with Rome. This was the result of both a lack of understanding of what the true biblcal gospel is AND of what Catholicism is. The blurring of both in the minds of some non Catholics brought about the utterly false conception that both were the same where it really matters most.
Vatican II revised the status of devout, especially protestant people to “departed brethren” who were now deemed true Christians, but only by the Vatican’s having declared them as such. Theological liberals in both camps couldn’t wait to fall into each other’s arms, and still can’t, as if we have a common cause. While those true to their roots on both sides see this as an evil deception.
I have respect for Catholics like Voris AND dearest Christopher, who I believe actually DO want the same things I do. They are however trying get living water from a well that was poisoned many many centuries ago. A supernatural explanation is required to explain how something so clearly opposed to the Jesus Christ of the scriptures for so long and on such a grand scale could continue to be considered a Christian church.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The parenthetical statement was a joke, but my first statement was completely serious. As a matter of fact, my mom is Catholic. I have no problem with Catholics as people, but I cannot agree with the religion as a whole.[/quote]
Well same could be said for me. I have lot’s of protestant friends, I don’t agree with evangelical tenets either, but that doesn’t affect my love for them or my respect for their faith.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What’s the difference between myself and everybody else in this thread that you don’t answer me Christopher?[/quote]
What are you talking about? What question?[/quote]I do hereby stand corrected Christopher and humbly beg your most gracious and undeserved forgiveness with all proper and abject servility. The following post was to Karado and happened over a long portion of the morning and by the time I finished it, I had it in my head it was to you. My fault. Consider the following as addressed to you.
[quote]Karado wrote:<<< what about Japan? They are still around and kickin’ and they are NOT Christian…where are the Riots, Looting, and Pandemonum there?[/quote]And never were. I’ll say it again. we are uniquely judged because we were uniquely blessed and uniquely declared our dependence upon the God of the bible as a nation as we set forth our trajectory at our founding. http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/index3.html That’s how we defeated slavery in our midst and provided the greatest opportunity on earth for a man who would simply show up and work hard.
Yes, just as a Christian individual will struggle with sin and corruption all the days of his life, so will a nation this side of the final resurrection. THE foundational rudder in this nation by which the whole is steered is the absolute bedrock principles of marriage, family and sex. As those go so goes the nation. These were once directly informed by the new testament and the protestant reformation.
We excelled and ascended to the status of untouchable superpower, culminating in the world watching Neal Armstrong reading the book of genesis on the moon. The poison was already being drunk though. The tidal wave of perversion and whoredom was in full swing and today’s debt stangled, bleeding whimpering dying United States was already inevitable on the path she was then talking.
Why was she taking this path? Because THE CHURCH, by which I do not mean Catholic (Big C), was already gagging on modernist liberalism in the form of denigrating the authenticity and authority of scripture and the Satanic deception of macro bio-evolution. She was in the midst of surrender right when the country needed her most.
In her idolatrous quest at seeking her own relevance by fitting in with a culture of increasing godlessness she spurned the power of God, which comes only through purity of belief and hence purity of obedience. Look around these forums. There are numerous people claiming to be Christians who are in every way that matters, no different from the culture of Death and perversion Christ calls His people out of. They PM me. “Oh Tirb, you’re driving people away with all this narrow fundamentalist stuff. We need to learn to be like them so they’ll listen.” In essence. That is the lie of the devil.
The true church’s relevance lies exactly in her not being conformed to the world and by being transformed into the mind of Christ whereby she is a loud crystal clear voice of the holiness of God, the sinfulness of man and the cross and empty tomb of Jesus Christ, the only eternally begotten Son of the one true and living God as the answer.
All one need do is change the Big C in Voris’s sermonette to a small one and that first video posted by dearest Christopher becomes the best 14 minutes of media of the year. The Roman Catholic Church however had no place of significant influence in this country until JFK. Right when Voris quite accurately states that our decline and judgement was about to begin. Rome has never been a force for righteousness anywhere in this world for many dozens of centuries.
She is a fat bloated, waddling, spiritually impotent religio/political empire and an affront to the God of the bible. THE true church of Christ and her God, whose providence not even that pagan Thomas Jefferson dared deny the colonies firm reliance on, IS the story of this nation. Not Roman Catholicism which was barely even tolerated and would have been illegal had many had their way.
The last 50 years has seen an ever rising tide of liberalism in the evangelical church, the evangelical church’s embracing of Rome AND the lethal family destroying sexual promiscuity Voris decries. Three sides of the same coin.
I’m ready when you are Chris. I utterly respect Micheal Voris. AND you. I truly believe that you have a thirst for truth and righteousness. Both of you. Tragically however, you have your face planted in the sandy bottom of a dry well.
I am an ambassador representing God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, who for the manifestation of the glory of his eternal power, wisdom, and goodness, in the beginning created from nothing the world, and all things therein, whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days, and all very good. I pray that I might decrease so that He might increase and that my every thought and Word bring glory to His magnificent name in this discussion. You can represent your church.
Tell me where I’m wrong. For right now I couldn’t care less about the revisionist croakings of the God hating unbelievers around here. YOU tell me where I’m wrong. IF you would be so magnanimous and accommodating. I’m gonna invite your friends from Fundamentalist Logic 101. You can advise them to the contrary if you see fit.
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tl;dr, I’ll be back on Monday or maybe if I have sometime during the afternoon while hunting over this thanksgiving break. Yes, that is right for Thanksgiving I am hunting. Which reminds me I need to buy some shooting sticks.[/quote]
Catholic monks helped establish Plymouth. Protestants sold Squanto into slavery, Squanto was Catholic, Monks saved him from Slavery.
Catholics definitely helped America, from finding her, to establishing her, to giving her a law to emulate, and morals to copy, and scripture to misunderstand.
Natural Law is the foundation of the Constitution, the Church is the unique servant of Natural Law.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The parenthetical statement was a joke, but my first statement was completely serious. As a matter of fact, my mom is Catholic. I have no problem with Catholics as people, but I cannot agree with the religion as a whole.[/quote]
Well same could be said for me. I have lot’s of protestant friends, I don’t agree with evangelical tenets either, but that doesn’t affect my love for them or my respect for their faith. [/quote]
I have love for them, but no respect for their errors. How can one have respect for falsehoods?