Catholic Church is at Fault

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The insinuation I get from the video is that it’s the church’s fault for not taking over the government and forcing people to do right. The church was never supposed to rule over people.

It’s the people’s fault, not the Catholic church. Nor the Protestants, nor the Jewish, nor any other. This country was founded on freedom from religion, and it should stay that way.[/quote]

Your insinuation is wrong.[/quote]
In that case, I stand corrected.

What could the church have done to prevent all of this?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
This guy is a fucking idiot. Listening to 15 minutes of this made me want to punch him square in the balls.[/quote]

Why is he an idiot?[/quote]Why do you do this to yourself Chris LOL!! That video is in my top ten list, maybe five for 2012.
[/quote]

Why do I ask people questions?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
This guy is a fucking idiot. Listening to 15 minutes of this made me want to punch him square in the balls.[/quote]

Why is he an idiot?[/quote]Why do you do this to yourself Chris LOL!! That video is in my top ten list, maybe five for 2012.
[/quote]

P.S. You’re starting to sound like Headhunter.

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The insinuation I get from the video is that it’s the church’s fault for not taking over the government and forcing people to do right. The church was never supposed to rule over people.

It’s the people’s fault, not the Catholic church. Nor the Protestants, nor the Jewish, nor any other. This country was founded on freedom from religion, and it should stay that way.[/quote]

Your insinuation is wrong.[/quote]
In that case, I stand corrected.

What could the church have done to prevent all of this?[/quote]

Be Catholic. As he said at the end of the video: learn the faith. I have been saying this for awhile on this forum. There is a serious lack of proper catechism about the faith.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
Ohhh, this was inevitable ,and why do we think we were all so High and Mighty
BEFORE all this in the first place?
It’s been a long time coming.
[/quote]

I don’t understand you post. What are you talking about here?[/quote]
Let’s break down the question a little more:

  1. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what was inevitable?

  2. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is an example of how we were so High and Mighty before “all this”?

  3. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is the “all this”, prior to which we were all so High and Mighty?

  4. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): What has been a long time coming?

Answers to any or all of the above might be interesting. Thanks![/quote]

Sorry I don’t or didn’t watch any George Carlin video. [/quote]

Questions #1 - #4 are intended mainly for Karado; although sensible or plausible responses from anyone might be interesting. Bear in mind: in response to the Voris video, Karado posted the George Carlin video, along with, “Ohhh, this was inevitable ,and why do we think we were all so High and Mighty BEFORE all this in the first place? It’s been a long time coming.”

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
Ohhh, this was inevitable ,and why do we think we were all so High and Mighty
BEFORE all this in the first place?
It’s been a long time coming.
[/quote]

I don’t understand you post. What are you talking about here?[/quote]
Let’s break down the question a little more:

  1. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what was inevitable?

  2. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is an example of how we were so High and Mighty before “all this”?

  3. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is the “all this”, prior to which we were all so High and Mighty?

  4. In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): What has been a long time coming?

Answers to any or all of the above might be interesting. Thanks![/quote]

Sorry I don’t or didn’t watch any George Carlin video. [/quote]
Questions #1 - #4 are intended mainly for Karado; although sensible or plausible responses from anyone might be interesting. Bear in mind: in response to the Voris video, Karado posted the George Carlin video, along with, “Ohhh, this was inevitable ,and why do we think we were all so High and Mighty BEFORE all this in the first place? It’s been a long time coming.”[/quote]

I see the video now. It wasn’t there when I replied.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The insinuation I get from the video is that it’s the church’s fault for not taking over the government and forcing people to do right. The church was never supposed to rule over people.

It’s the people’s fault, not the Catholic church. Nor the Protestants, nor the Jewish, nor any other. This country was founded on freedom from religion, and it should stay that way.[/quote]

Your insinuation is wrong.[/quote]
In that case, I stand corrected.

What could the church have done to prevent all of this?[/quote]

Be Catholic.[/quote]
What I mean is that this country was not founded on Catholicism but thrived anyway. Catholic population in the US remained very small until the 1840’s (in 1850 it was still only ~5%). By the turn of the 20th Century, it was up to 17%, and even to this day, Catholicism only makes up 25% of our population at best.

So it seems to me that we were better off without your religion. In fact, a correlation can be made between the rise of the Catholic church and the downfall of American society.

The facts of the matter prove your entire argument false.

“1) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what was inevitable?”

The compromise of the Chruch…I thought that was obvious to you?
My fault, maybe I shoulda said…It IS inevitable?

“2) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is an example of how we were so High and Mighty before “all this”?”

That we were percievably Moral and Godly BEFORE present day, with our History of Slavery,
and oppresion of the Poor, maybe less so than other Countries, nevertheless we have always
puffed ourselves up as Calling ourselves The “Greatest” Country in the World, even with all
of our past sins…I thought that statement was obvious as well, you don’t need to think that
hard when you read my statements ‘undoredo’, think just a weeeeeee bit more, and it will become
apparent to you.

“3) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is the “all this”, prior to which we were all so High and Mighty?”

Oh come on, your pulling my leg right?
All this, The Infiltration of Moderists and Such within the Church and other things
spoken about in the Video…I can send you a Decoder Ring next time to interpret
that next time.

“4) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): What has been a long time coming?”

Decoder Ring Sent… Well Within the Context of first vid, it should obvious to you what the
Man was talking about in the Video parallels ALOT with 2nd Timothy 3.2…Just checking to see if you
knew that, I’m surprised you didn’t notice that glaring Parallel, and glaring as a Spotlight it is.
You see ‘undoredo’, If you watch a video where a guy talks about the Church losing it’s
way, then you already know a Scripture that Parallels that…A person that sees that would simply
deduce it’s been a “long time coming”, in other words it’s happening, and the Bible just confirms that,
you see how simple that was? It’s not complicated, honestly.

As for George Carlin, 'Point was there was on our general Past Sins, that’s all, and how
we don’t have a choice in our Leaders, we have the illusion of choice…'course if you think we
actually much control over that, you are programmed like the rest of Society, But you seem
like a halfway Intelligent individual, so I’ll give you the benefit of the Doubt for now.
The first two Videos are not as unrelated as you think they are, The First Guy sez we have
tipped the scales, (HIS view of the “scale” BTW)…Me, Georgy, and others just think that
the OVERALL “Scale” was tipped way before that.

This guy wants the U.S. to be ruled by a Catholic dictator:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The insinuation I get from the video is that it’s the church’s fault for not taking over the government and forcing people to do right. The church was never supposed to rule over people.

It’s the people’s fault, not the Catholic church. Nor the Protestants, nor the Jewish, nor any other. This country was founded on freedom from religion, and it should stay that way.[/quote]

Your insinuation is wrong.[/quote]
In that case, I stand corrected.

What could the church have done to prevent all of this?[/quote]

Be Catholic.[/quote]
What I mean is that this country was not founded on Catholicism but thrived anyway. Catholic population in the US remained very small until the 1840’s (in 1850 it was still only ~5%). By the turn of the 20th Century, it was up to 17%, and even to this day, Catholicism only makes up 25% of our population at best.

So it seems to me that we were better off without your religion. In fact, a correlation can be made between the rise of the Catholic church and the downfall of American society.

The facts of the matter prove your entire argument false.[/quote]
The vast majority of this largely non-Catholic country held certain moral principles and views in common with traditional and/or orthodox Catholicism, despite not being Catholic. Arguably ironically, despite a larger proportion of the population being baptized Catholics, there is a smaller proportion of the population that holds those same moral principles and views. From a traditional and/or orthodox Catholic point of view, that would seem to be a glaring failure on the part of the human aspect of the Catholic Church in this country. i.e.: more “salt”; and yet less “saltiness” (referring to the “salt of the earth” passage in the Bible).

Protestants won’t make it to heaven. Sorry.

[quote]Karado wrote:
“1) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what was inevitable?”

The compromise of the Chruch…I thought that was obvious to you?
My fault, maybe I shoulda said…It IS inevitable?

“2) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is an example of how we were so High and Mighty before “all this”?”

That we were percievably Moral and Godly BEFORE present day, with our History of Slavery,
and oppresion of the Poor, maybe less so than other Countries, nevertheless we have always
puffed ourselves up as Calling ourselves The “Greatest” Country in the World, even with all
of our past sins…I thought that statement was obvious as well, you don’t need to think that
hard when you read my statements ‘undoredo’, think just a weeeeeee bit more, and it will become
apparent to you.

“3) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): what is the “all this”, prior to which we were all so High and Mighty?”

Oh come on, your pulling my leg right?
All this, The Infiltration of Moderists and Such within the Church and other things
spoken about in the Video…I can send you a Decoder Ring next time to interpret
that next time.

“4) In the context of this thread (preferably relevant to both the original post and the George Carlin video): What has been a long time coming?”

Decoder Ring Sent… Well Within the Context of first vid, it should obvious to you what the
Man was talking about in the Video parallels ALOT with 2nd Timothy 3.2…Just checking to see if you
knew that, I’m surprised you didn’t notice that glaring Parallel, and glaring as a Spotlight it is.
You see ‘undoredo’, If you watch a video where a guy talks about the Church losing it’s
way, then you already know a Scripture that Parallels that…A person that sees that would simply
deduce it’s been a “long time coming”, in other words it’s happening, and the Bible just confirms that,
you see how simple that was? It’s not complicated, honestly.

As for George Carlin, 'Point was there was on our general Past Sins, that’s all, and how
we don’t have a choice in our Leaders, we have the illusion of choice…'course if you think we
actually much control over that, you are programmed like the rest of Society, But you seem
like a halfway Intelligent individual, so I’ll give you the benefit of the Doubt for now.
The first two Videos are not as unrelated as you think they are, The First Guy sez we have
tipped the scales, (HIS view of the “scale” BTW)…Me, Georgy, and others just think that
the OVERALL “Scale” was tipped way before that.
[/quote]
Thank you for the clarifications.

There was a lot done right in this country up until recently that is now being done wrong. But there were also other important things that were done wrong from the very start. Thank you for clarifying your earlier post.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:<<< With gracious, loving, humble posts like this, one has to wonder why in the world Sloth would put you on ignore.[/quote]This is post is very gracious. And humble. I am crediting a big C Catholic with one of the best 15 minutes I’ve spent this year. In all sincerity. Made me WANT to be Catholic even more than I usually do.
I’m not gonna get into Sloth in this thread.
[/quote]
Since when does gloating over some imaginary victory; verbally rubbing someone’s nose in the fact that they see something from your point of view, qualify as grace or humility?

You don’t mean to be insulting to him, but you do mean to intentionally aggravate him? Again, this is neither graceful or humble.

Sometimes you just strike me as the over-the-top-obnoxious-mega-brah in a really bad frat movie. Not exactly what I would expect from an associate pastor.[/quote]

Tirib likes to brag about how humble he is.[/quote]

LOL! I do enjoy your simple observations.
[/quote]

I do what I must for my adoring fans.

But in all seriousness, the false piety is why a lot of people refuse to take him seriously.

Here he is arguing that pedophilia really wasn’t pedophilia. It was something else, and just another variant of homosexuality, and it was almost a good thing that these priests raped little kids because it ultimately purged the church of evil. So cheer up abused children and get over that ass-raping by the creepy priests because the end result was a good thing.

Question, because Christians always seem to Americanize these issues, and that we’re
generally losing our way…Society will collapse, But what about Japan?
They are still around and kickin’ and they are NOT Christian…where are the Riots,
Looting, and Pandemonum there?
A Country where they have Little Girl Panty Vending Machines, and where UNDERAGE Porn
is Legal to own?? Yes…LEGAL!
That’s just sick man, yet other than their ocassional Earthquakes, which they’ve had over in those
areas since recorded history BTW…Why isn’t that the Petri Dish for Society Collapse?, their
Ungodly Buddhist and Shinto Society shoulda been GONE long ago…yet it’s thrived LONGER, MUCH LONGER than our over barely over 200 Year old Country, can someone explain THAT one??

MIKE!!! What it is homes!!! I was just thinking about you last night when I was looking back for some quotes of mine. Good to “see” ya man. Seriously. You were always a worthy banter buddy. I’ll have to watch your other Voris vids. I hope they’re as good as the one Christopher posted.

[quote]undoredo wrote:

The vast majority of this largely non-Catholic country held certain moral principles and views in common with traditional and/or orthodox Catholicism, despite not being Catholic. Arguably ironically, despite a larger proportion of the population being baptized Catholics, there is a smaller proportion of the population that holds those same moral principles and views. From a traditional and/or orthodox Catholic point of view, that would seem to be a glaring failure on the part of the human aspect of the Catholic Church in this country. i.e.: more “salt”; and yet less “saltiness” (referring to the “salt of the earth” passage in the Bible).
[/quote]
Please don’t think I’m Catholic-bashing. I’m just stating facts and making the argument that the Catholic church is not what brought this nation to greatness in the first place, so the argument that slacking-off on the part of the Catholic church being our downfall is a fallacy from the start.

The majority of the colonists were outright anti-catholic because of the evils they had witnessed at the hands of the church. As a matter of fact, there was a huge anti-catholic movement in America when the influx of Catholics started in the 1820’s. Americans during that era saw Catholicism on par with the way a lot of Americans view radical Islam today.

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
… and it was almost a good thing that these priests raped little kids …

Nope, I don’t think he actually argues that particular thing anywhere in the video.

That would be your inference from his statement that God’s plan was to use the secular media to shine a light on the moral corruption of the homosexual infiltrators.

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]undoredo wrote:

The vast majority of this largely non-Catholic country held certain moral principles and views in common with traditional and/or orthodox Catholicism, despite not being Catholic. Arguably ironically, despite a larger proportion of the population being baptized Catholics, there is a smaller proportion of the population that holds those same moral principles and views. From a traditional and/or orthodox Catholic point of view, that would seem to be a glaring failure on the part of the human aspect of the Catholic Church in this country. i.e.: more “salt”; and yet less “saltiness” (referring to the “salt of the earth” passage in the Bible).
[/quote]
Please don’t think I’m Catholic-bashing. I’m just stating facts and making the argument that the Catholic church is not what brought this nation to greatness in the first place, so the argument that slacking-off on the part of the Catholic church being our downfall is a fallacy from the start.

The majority of the colonists were outright anti-catholic because of the evils they had witnessed at the hands of the church. As a matter of fact, there was a huge anti-catholic movement in America when the influx of Catholics started in the 1820’s. Americans during that era saw Catholicism on par with the way a lot of Americans view radical Islam today.
[/quote]
From a traditional and/or orthodox Catholic viewpoint, the Catholic church not being what brought a nation to greatness in the first place is not relevant. From a traditional and/or orthodox Catholic viewpoint: if a great nation is populated by a large number of Catholics who seriously fail in their duties, those Catholics will cause the downfall of that nation regardless of how the nation came to be great.

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
… and it was almost a good thing that these priests raped little kids …

Nope, I don’t think he actually argues that particular thing anywhere in the video.

That would be your inference from his statement that God’s plan was to use the secular media to shine a light on the moral corruption of the homosexual infiltrators.
[/quote]

You are right - it was an inference on my part. But I would say that it was a reasonable inference. If the priests had sex with each other, this would not have received the same attention. So, it was God’s plan for priests to ass-rape kids (the distinction between pre-pubescent and pubescent that he makes is meaningless IMO) for the greater good of the church. Ass rape as a gift from God. Hmmm…