[quote]Sloth wrote:
Say one thing about HH, he knows his audience (or, marks?). Hook, line, and sinker.[/quote]
Meh, whatever, It’s turned into a good discussion and we’re digging deep on both sides. If HH happened to start it, I just treat it like a stray hair curling from the nose of an acquaintance; pretend it’s not there and hope to God he takes a hard look into a mirror real soon.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What % of Catholics are pro choice and or pro gay marriage? Watch how many vote for Obama… again. How does a murderous whore with a lifelong campaign of overtly demonic ant-Christian policy like Ted Kennedy get a Catholic funeral that is then transformed into a propaganda tool for Obamacare? I know dozens of Catholics personally right now. No matter what you would like to believe, internet evidence IS valid. Those forums are the last lesson anybody will ever need. Thousands and thousands and thousands gathered in one place for all to see. You couldn’t distill a consistent Catholic voice on even one particle of faith or practice from those forums. Why not? In fact I’m gonna concentrate on that because you are kidding yourself if you actually think that places like those forums and other internet associations are not truly indicative. The sample rate is exponentially higher, even allowing for some deception which I think is much rarer than some are going to allege. Wanna have a poll to see how many people here have experiences with Catholics that lead them to believe that much more than lip service is actually paid by the ones they know?
I stand by my assertions. Outside of a piece of bread and a meaningless superstitious ceremony on Sunday morning, the vast majority of Catholics I have ever known of know NOTHING of a living life transforming relatio0nship with the risen Christ. Even Chris was not gonna try n defend the state of Catholic pews. And you missed the point. The reason I didn’t know anybody from my Parish is because nobody cared to know any of the other alleged members of Christ’s body because they had no idea what that is and no interest in finding out. It was a RITUAL. Still is for most I’ve ever seen and the ones for whom it’s more may be even worse. You have become one of my best friends here and I have sincere affection for you. You know I mean that. Not only will that not stop me, but it is for that reason that I will continue to tell you that your church is a lie. It is everything Jesus came to abolish in his once for all fulfillment of all that had gone before.
All this does not also change the fact that THEOLOGY is the defining criteria. The deadness of the world’s Catholics is simply the empirical manifestation of a dead pagan sacerdotal theology. The ones who are alive, and there are some. I’ve said so repeatedly. Are so in spite and certainly not because of their communion with that Church. I have a feeling this will go on. I have chest tri’s and shoulders now though. I do so pray that you can receive what I’m saying in the spirit in which I am sending it.[/quote]
You have an extremely lop-sided sample of Catholics (modern-day, Western, probably typically American, certainly 1st world and likely weighted with white males who happen to have access to the internet.
Outside of that, you really don’t know too many.
The reason I didn’t start getting into details about the folks in my parish here and the VERY nice parish I attend back home is that I know it doesn’t really matter to you. I could cite example after example after example, I could counter with mountains of evidence, as Chris has done before and did again, and you’d do with it just what you are doing to Chris here: Ignore it and subtly shift the conversation away from this subject because it’s one of the rare instances where your arguments are weak. See below:
But you have still not presented a sound argument for this pervasive deadness you so often cite. So how about we continue to examine the purported symptoms before diagnosing the disease, lest we subject ourselves to a sort of spiritual hypochondria?
What do you have to say about Chris’s examples? Just anomalies? Or do they meet your standards for adequacy? (Yes, I know I wrote “your.”)
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I got a report from my brother that his parents were martyred this past week along with an assortment of family members and friends.
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This means that your parents were killed.
Were you unaware?
People killing others over bedtime stories and fantasyland horse hockey…unfucking believable.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Say one thing about HH, he knows his audience (or, marks?). Hook, line, and sinker.[/quote]
Meh, whatever, It’s turned into a good discussion and we’re digging deep on both sides. If HH happened to start it, I just treat it like a stray hair curling from the nose of an acquaintance; pretend it’s not there and hope to God he takes a hard look into a mirror real soon. [/quote]
Its up to me to get you people to think about the collective insanity with which you people are engaged.
Wake up! You are dreaming! Religion has NO MEANING. It is like an Obama speech…not meant to be taken seriously, with a con artist just spouting nonsense.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Say one thing about HH, he knows his audience (or, marks?). Hook, line, and sinker.[/quote]
Meh, whatever, It’s turned into a good discussion and we’re digging deep on both sides. If HH happened to start it, I just treat it like a stray hair curling from the nose of an acquaintance; pretend it’s not there and hope to God he takes a hard look into a mirror real soon. [/quote]
Its up to me to get you people to think about the collective insanity with which you people are engaged.
Wake up! You are dreaming! Religion has NO MEANING. It is like an Obama speech…not meant to be taken seriously, with a con artist just spouting nonsense.
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See? If you read what he writes and imagine he’s inside your personal space, overloud voice, nearly cackling, cheesy smell of old mouth, as the little white froths of spittle pooled in the cracks of his lipcorners occasionally bead and fly off and land upon your lips and eyes, drying instantly; and all the time that nose-hair curling out at you like a beckoning finger…it all just fits.
You guys actually still debate with Headhunter?
WOW!
HH has gay on the brain a bit too much. Something about a protesting lady comes to mind…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I got a report from my brother that his parents were martyred this past week along with an assortment of family members and friends.
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This means that your parents were killed.[/quote]
Yes, because their’s no such thing as foster care.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:<<< I am sure most of this stuff goes on secretly in the church >>>[/quote]No you’re not and neither am I. I’m not talking about secrets and unofficial individual views. I wanna know where I point somebody were I a Catholic, to find THE authoritative statement of Rome on homosexualITY. NOT gay marriage. NOT gay rights. Where is THE authoritative declaration of the “one true holy apostolic church which is THE body and bride of Christ” in whose care the incarnate Son of God left ALL things pertaining to life and godliness? Where? Maybe there is one. I’m asking.
I know the bible’s view, which couldn’t possibly be clearer to those who actually take it seriously. Headhunter’s bigotry against both gays and Catholics is grounded in nothing other than Headhunter’s bigotry against gays and Catholics.[/quote]
read the catechism. Catholics believe homosexual actions are a “sin that cries out to heaven” meaning it is one of the worst. The church classifies homosexuality as a disorder.
[quote]sharpenedsword wrote:<<< Catholics believe homosexual actions are a “sin that cries out to heaven” meaning it is one of the worst. >>>[/quote]Except for the substantial % that openly support gay marriage and then I hear some unbiblical limp wristed crap about “defacto excommunication”. [quote]sharpenedsword wrote:<<< The church classifies homosexuality as a disorder.[/quote]Does she now? The bible, that would be God’s word, classifies it as an abomination worthy of death. A damnable unnatural perversion of God’s created order that is in every case grievous sin against the holy author of the blessing of human sexuality. The kingdom being unavailable to those who practice it. That’s only the word of God so you wouldn’t wanna get too hung up on that I know. Not when you have your groovy church to turn it into a disorder, but just thought I’d throw it out there.
Cortes gets my next response, but I cannot do it til later. Just walked in and am walking back out.
Here’s a hint. There are zero, zilch, as in not one supporter of gay marriage in our congregation. Would not be allowed. We do have former gays AND one guy I know personally who in a sincere war with that sin. He is my brother. I love him, I pray for him and I embrace him.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t think most baptized Catholics support gay marriage (I could be wrong), and no faithful Catholic does. I’m sorry but 59% of ~70 million isn’t a substantive percentage of 1.2 billion people. That comes out to about 3.5% of baptized Catholics who support gay marriage. Of course you’ll have to factor in Europe and other countries affected by modernism.
Fixed that for you, and please by all means start putting these men and women to death. It just got all WBC-y up in here.
This doesn’t go against Catholicism. Congrats, maybe you’ll have a chance at coming back home to your Mother. You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out it is against God’s created order. It is a disordered appetite in the words of a neoplatonist.
By the mouth of babes you just pointed out that it is a disorder, since it goes against the natural order, i.e. Natural Law. You’re more Catholic than you think Tirib. Before too long you’ll be kneeling in front of the King of kings at his Holy Mass instituted at the Last Supper and showed to the world by his faithful Apostles.
[quote]Cortes gets my next response, but I cannot do it til later. Just walked in and am walking back out.
Here’s a hint. There are zero, zilch, as in not one supporter of gay marriage in our congregation.[/quote]
Hey, there isn’t one in my particular Church either. There isn’t also one in the Mystical Body of Christ.
[quote]Would not be allowed. We do have former gays AND one guy I know personally who in a sincere war with that sin. He is my brother. I love him, I pray for him and I embrace him.
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Congrats. You must be so merciful. Too bad you can’t bring that zeal to the actual Body of Christ, the Catholic Church. You know the one founded by Jesus and not Pastor Chris. Bring Pastor Chris, as well. Though I’m not necessarily fond of the preaching style that has it’s roots from the redneck immigrants of the British Isles, it has it’s place within the Church.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I got a report from my brother that his parents were martyred this past week along with an assortment of family members and friends.
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This means that your parents were killed.[/quote]
Yes, because their’s no such thing as foster care.[/quote]
Ah, but THERE is such a thing as English class.
So, I show that the catholic church is riddled with gays and pedophiles. Rather than assenting to that, the attack is to say that I am secretly gay.
That somehow disproves that the catholic church is riddled with gays and pedophiles. LOL!
Did anyone watcg the vid of the priest denouncing the church for being riddles with perverts? Meh, probably not. Delusion group is delusional.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< There isn’t also one in the Mystical Body of Christ. >>>[/quote]BINGO!!! Dearest Christopher has uttered a towering profundity worthy of the Tiribulus Maximus “Hallelujah Worthy Bullseye Award”. The invisible does not indeed include even one proponent of gay “marriage”, which is actually an oxymoron anyway. I can’t do more now
Chris and Cortes is next when I get back once more.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< the catholic church is riddled with gays and pedophiles. >>>[/quote]Let’s just say that’s true. Now what?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< the catholic church is riddled with gays and pedophiles. >>>[/quote]Let’s just say that’s true. Now what?
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Now we are happy that at least he does not conflate the two?
I swear that there are people that think that gays, pedos and anyone with a British accent are practically interchangeable.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Ah, but THERE is such a thing as English class.[/quote]
Yes, and English would dictate that if my parents adopted someone, that person would either be my brother or sister. My brother being a male, means that I can call him my brother. He has two sets of parents, one of them were killed. Thus, his parents were killed, mine were not.
One, the better term is someone with same sex attractions. And, I could care less if everyone in the Catholic Church struggled with same sex attraction. I could care less if everyone struggled with pedophilia either. I could care less if every deacon, priest, bishop, cardinal, and Archbishop struggled with alcoholism. The Church is not made up of perfect persons, but sinners. All people, save a few, have a fallen nature. Comes with the territory of being man. What I care about is that they are in the Church and they are working towards salvation by the Supernatural Grace bestowed upon them by the Holy Ghost in the Eucharist and are frequenting confession.
Two, you haven’t showed a damnable thing about or against the Church being riddled with anything. All you have done is shown us your opinion and that of a priest. Want to prove something? Produce at least a single piece of empirical evidence showing the Church is riddle with active gays and pedophiles. Start there and we will go forward.
The priesthood itself over the past 50-60 years has shown to have lower levels of pedophilia than the population at large, and there is no evidence to this, but from the increased standards for the priesthood I’d imagine the level of pedophiles compared to the rest of the population will be shrinking for the Catholic Church, I know it has for open gays in the priesthood as not even those who struggle with same sex attraction (and are open about it) or sexual disfunction are being allowed into the seminaries (at least those who follow the orders of the Bishops and Pope).
Three, God loves you.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< There isn’t also one in the Mystical Body of Christ. >>>[/quote]BINGO!!! Dearest Christopher has uttered a towering profundity worthy of the Tiribulus Maximus “Hallelujah Worthy Bullseye Award”. The invisible does not indeed include even one proponent of gay “marriage”, which is actually an oxymoron anyway. I can’t do more now
Chris and Cortes is next when I get back once more.
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Except the Mystical Body of Christ isn’t the invisible church. That’s just heresy, which would put one outside of the Mystical Body of Christ. I need to get you to read the Catechism so you can stop misconstruing what I say. If you read the entire Catechism, I’ll promise to read the entire Divines or whatever they are called. Deal?
If you have any questions about what it says you can ask me, I suppose if I have any questions about the Divines I can ask you?
P.S. Have you prayed your rosary today?
[quote]orion wrote:
I swear that there are people that think that gays, pedos and anyone with a British accent are practically interchangeable. [/quote]
Wait? They are not?
Though I do think a there is a large portion of pedophiles who struggle with same sex attractions.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]sharpenedsword wrote:<<< Catholics believe homosexual actions are a “sin that cries out to heaven” meaning it is one of the worst. >>>[/quote]Except for the substantial % that openly support gay marriage and then I hear some unbiblical limp wristed crap about “defacto excommunication”. [quote]sharpenedsword wrote:<<< The church classifies homosexuality as a disorder.[/quote]Does she now? The bible, that would be God’s word, classifies it as an abomination worthy of death. A damnable unnatural perversion of God’s created order that is in every case grievous sin against the holy author of the blessing of human sexuality. The kingdom being unavailable to those who practice it. That’s only the word of God so you wouldn’t wanna get too hung up on that I know. Not when you have your groovy church to turn it into a disorder, but just thought I’d throw it out there.
Cortes gets my next response, but I cannot do it til later. Just walked in and am walking back out.
Here’s a hint. There are zero, zilch, as in not one supporter of gay marriage in our congregation. Would not be allowed. We do have former gays AND one guy I know personally who in a sincere war with that sin. He is my brother. I love him, I pray for him and I embrace him.
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Here’s a hint back at you: There are zero, zilch, as in not one supporter of gay marriage in either of my parishes.
Quit making shit up. You are genuinely starting to lose credibility in my eyes now.
[quote]Cortes wrote:<<< Here’s a hint back at you: There are zero, zilch, as in not one supporter of gay marriage in either of my parishes.
Quit making shit up. You are genuinely starting to lose credibility in my eyes now.
[/quote]I had credibility? I don’t think I’m up to a proper answer tonight. I do apologize. Things took longer than I thought. I never make anything up though. Let’s just say Gallup is off by a bit.
There is no way I can promise you I’ll read a 1500 page document Chris. The Westminster Larger Catechism is 27, but that’s not the point. Even if they were the same size I just can’t commit that kind of block time.