Carter Says Obama Opposition Racist

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:

…I encounter people around here on a DAILY basis who SAY that they don’t trust Obama because he is a black man with an Arab sounding name. Not because of his policies, not because of who he surrounded himself with in the past, but because he is a black man with an Arab sounding name. I’m not assuming anything because they are southern. This is explicitly stated opinion. NOT inference. NOT assumption. I’m telling you what other people have told me they are thinking. I’m coupling it with racism because it is expressly racist…

I have no problem believing you have encountered that. I also have no problem believing one could encounter people on a DAILY basis who say they didn’t trust Bush because he was a white man from a rich family. So now, what’s next?[/quote]

So those people would be wrong.

I never agreed with what Carter said, I just stated that being from the deep south, I could see how someone could form that impression.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:

…I encounter people around here on a DAILY basis who SAY that they don’t trust Obama because he is a black man with an Arab sounding name. Not because of his policies, not because of who he surrounded himself with in the past, but because he is a black man with an Arab sounding name. I’m not assuming anything because they are southern. This is explicitly stated opinion. NOT inference. NOT assumption. I’m telling you what other people have told me they are thinking. I’m coupling it with racism because it is expressly racist…

I have no problem believing you have encountered that. I also have no problem believing one could encounter people on a DAILY basis who say they didn’t trust Bush because he was a white man from a rich family. So now, what’s next?

So those people would be wrong.

I never agreed with what Carter said, I just stated that being from the deep south, I could see how someone could form that impression.

I’m from the deep south too.

And you and I both know Bush was “not trusted” after Katrina. People on a DAILY basis made racist remarks about him.

I obviously disagree with Carter too. I think he might just be the most irrelevant political buffoon in America today. Everywhere he goes, every time he opens his mouth senile stupidity drools out.[/quote]

Of course, the opposite can be true for Obama…there are also a lot of black people who support him just because he’s black.

I didn’t trust Bush BEFORE Katrina, I don’t know what everyone else was thinking up until that point.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:

…I didn’t trust Bush BEFORE Katrina, I don’t know what everyone else was thinking up until that point.

Pull up your intellectual suspenders and stay with me. People made racist comments about Bush BECAUSE of Katrina. You were around TN back then, right? Can you show us some posts you made back then about how disgusted you were about that? Or are you one of those who is “selectively disgusted” about racism?[/quote]

I joined in 2006, about 14 months after Katrina.

For the record though, I was publicly disgusted with both the way the government handled the situation and things like Kanye’s “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” remark.

I was also very vocal about the Jena 6 thugs not getting a reduced sentence in 2007. Bad people are bad people, regardless of the color of their skin.

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What bugs me is the “automatic” assumption of racism when someone disagrees with someone else of another color.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What bugs me is the “automatic” assumption of racism when someone disagrees with someone else of another color. [/quote]

Yeah, that’s annoying. I’ve seen some clarification on Carter’s comments saying they had to do with some of the “go back to Kenya” signs that showed up at the 9/12 rally last weekend.

Being vocal and speaking out is crucial, but a lot of these people are not really helping our cause as conservatives.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

Of course, I guess since there are racist blacks in America, white people openly expressing racist opinions can’t be called racist in bizarro Rockscar world, right?[/quote]

Dude what are you thinking…When did I advocate openly expressing racist opinions? I argue that critisism of Obamas policies is not racist…and one cannot suggest so even if the representative is from SC…what fucking conversation are you in here?

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

Of course, I guess since there are racist blacks in America, white people openly expressing racist opinions can’t be called racist in bizarro Rockscar world, right?[/quote]

What is the openly racist thing said here that I allegedly defended?

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The question is…can you rule out that a good percentage of Obama opposers base their dislike only on his race/skin color do exist?

How can we have a discussion like this without addressing that question?? Considering,that Carter only stated that those people do exist…not that they encompass the majority of conservative base,healthcare opponents,etc…i.e.,EVERYONE who dislikes Obama. At least that’s how I read his words…but I also wasn’t looking for anything outside what he stated.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
The question is…can you rule out that a good percentage of Obama opposers base their dislike only on his race/skin color do exist?

How can we have a discussion like this without addressing that question?? Considering,that Carter only stated that those people do exist…not that they encompass the majority of conservative base,healthcare opponents,etc…i.e.,EVERYONE who dislikes Obama. At least that’s how I read his words…but I also wasn’t looking for anything outside what he stated. [/quote]

I don’t know why these things matter. You’re never going to be able to weed out all of the racism, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter: he won the election with a clear majority and therefore a clear mandate to get the country going in the right direction. Poll after poll shows what people want. He’s burning up political capital on stupid, unnecessary things right now when the Dems have control of both the presidency and both congress and the senate. He’s also marginalizing his secretary of state, which is extremely dumb b/c she’ll undermine his efforts or run against him. Now, this ACORN business is coming out and everyone knows the president worked there.

I guess my point is, it’s the president’s fault whether he succeeds or fails, not “racists”. If he fails, it’s going to be extremely bad for the country at a point where we’re getting extremely polarized and we’re in a bad economic situation. All he’s gotta do is reverse the policies that have gotten us to our current nadir. The economy’s not his fault, either. He can look like the hero if he does the right thing. Bush and the Republicans could not have driven things harder into a ditch.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The question is…can you rule out that a good percentage of Obama opposers base their dislike only on his race/skin color do exist?

How can we have a discussion like this without addressing that question?? Considering,that Carter only stated that those people do exist…not that they encompass the majority of conservative base,healthcare opponents,etc…i.e.,EVERYONE who dislikes Obama. At least that’s how I read his words…but I also wasn’t looking for anything outside what he stated.

I don’t know why these things matter. You’re never going to be able to weed out all of the racism, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter: he won the election with a clear majority and therefore a clear mandate to get the country going in the right direction. Poll after poll shows what people want. He’s burning up political capital on stupid, unnecessary things right now when the Dems have control of both the presidency and both congress and the senate. He’s also marginalizing his secretary of state, which is extremely dumb b/c she’ll undermine his efforts or run against him. Now, this ACORN business is coming out and everyone knows the president worked there.

I guess my point is, it’s the president’s fault whether he succeeds or fails, not “racists”. If he fails, it’s going to be extremely bad for the country at a point where we’re getting extremely polarized and we’re in a bad economic situation. All he’s gotta do is reverse the policies that have gotten us to our current nadir. The economy’s not his fault, either. He can look like the hero if he does the right thing. Bush and the Republicans could not have driven things harder into a ditch. [/quote]

Well,I do agree with ya. I was just addressing what hadn’t appeared to be answered.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The question is…can you rule out that a good percentage of Obama opposers base their dislike only on his race/skin color do exist?

How can we have a discussion like this without addressing that question?? Considering,that Carter only stated that those people do exist…not that they encompass the majority of conservative base,healthcare opponents,etc…i.e.,EVERYONE who dislikes Obama. At least that’s how I read his words…but I also wasn’t looking for anything outside what he stated.

I don’t know why these things matter. You’re never going to be able to weed out all of the racism, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter: he won the election with a clear majority and therefore a clear mandate to get the country going in the right direction. Poll after poll shows what people want. He’s burning up political capital on stupid, unnecessary things right now when the Dems have control of both the presidency and both congress and the senate. He’s also marginalizing his secretary of state, which is extremely dumb b/c she’ll undermine his efforts or run against him. Now, this ACORN business is coming out and everyone knows the president worked there.

I guess my point is, it’s the president’s fault whether he succeeds or fails, not “racists”. If he fails, it’s going to be extremely bad for the country at a point where we’re getting extremely polarized and we’re in a bad economic situation. All he’s gotta do is reverse the policies that have gotten us to our current nadir. The economy’s not his fault, either. He can look like the hero if he does the right thing. Bush and the Republicans could not have driven things harder into a ditch.

Well,I do agree with ya. I was just addressing what hadn’t appeared to be answered. [/quote]

I thought I’d also add that he’s talking about legalizing the illegals here in 2010. That was the thing that turned Bush’s own party against him more than anything else. Obama could.not.make. a poorer decision than to push for this in the middle of a depression like this (or ever, really). He’ll ruin his presidency if he does this - I guarantee it. If people think the Tea Partiers are a problem now, wait till this drops. He says he’s not going to give health care to the illegals, so if he passes the health care and then just legalizes the illegals, he’s basically lying and he’ll be out by 2012.

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[quote]Jimmy Carter Said:
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.”[/quote]

Carter is nuts. There is not a single shred of credible evidence that a significant portion of the opposition to Obama either from the public or GOP pols is in any way related to his being a black man. That idiotic charge will do nothing except diminish the gravity of ACTUAL racism. The party that cried wolf. Combine this with the Gates debacle and a few other lesser examples, not to mention what is yet to come, and this kinda crap is working to effectively produce racism where there was none and lend credence to the fringe hate groups who will point to this as an example of why they’ve been right all along. In their view that is.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
That’s what I’m getting at…there are plenty of individuals down here whose main problem with Obama’s presidency is that he’s a black guy with an Arab sounding name.

There are plenty of racist black people where I live as well. What’s your point?

That his comments may have some merit when talking about the southern states. We aren’t talking about racist black people in this thread, nice try though.

Southern states? What’s you problem with southern states? I went Massachusetts and I found them twice as racist as southerners, so you can shove you stereotype. [/quote]

See you’re problem there is you went to a Klan rally when you visited Massachusetts …

We’re twice as racist as southerners huh … how do you gauge something like that? Is there like a poll you conducted, maybe walked around a mall and gave a survey asking, on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being the least and 5 being the most, how much do you hate people from a different race/national origin based solely on their skin tone/language/accent?

I’m impressed…

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Come on he is just trying to preserve his title as the worst president. Obama in less then one year is already challenging him and might take that title by 2010.

Only in the eyes of babbling rednecks.[/quote]

Carter IS a babbling redneck. I grew up in Philly.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
pat wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
That’s what I’m getting at…there are plenty of individuals down here whose main problem with Obama’s presidency is that he’s a black guy with an Arab sounding name.

There are plenty of racist black people where I live as well. What’s your point?

That his comments may have some merit when talking about the southern states. We aren’t talking about racist black people in this thread, nice try though.

Southern states? What’s you problem with southern states? I went Massachusetts and I found them twice as racist as southerners, so you can shove you stereotype.

See you’re problem there is you went to a Klan rally when you visited Massachusetts …

We’re twice as racist as southerners huh … how do you gauge something like that? Is there like a poll you conducted, maybe walked around a mall and gave a survey asking, on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being the least and 5 being the most, how much do you hate people from a different race/national origin based solely on their skin tone/language/accent?

I’m impressed…[/quote]

See, that’s how I feel about the south. It’s not the redneck haven it once was. Georgia is one of the most multicultural states in the Union, execpt for maybe New York and L.A…

My experience in Mass. was a good one. But it was just funny seeing some of the traditions, the italians hate the irish. The Irish hate the Italians, everybody hates the Jews, etc. My evidence was purely anecdotal. Family who have visited us from up yonder always comment on how many blacks there are in Georgia, they can’t believe it.
I liked Mass. I wouldn’t live there though, the weather’s to cold, the houses are waaaay to small and waaaay to expensive, and I am not a Red Sox fan which apparently a heresy there as well as my disdain for Ted.

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over heard a guy last night saying that Carter is really an under cover republican agent LOL

i must admit it does explain his behavior in general.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The question is…can you rule out that a good percentage of Obama opposers base their dislike only on his race/skin color do exist?

How can we have a discussion like this without addressing that question?? Considering,that Carter only stated that those people do exist…not that they encompass the majority of conservative base,healthcare opponents,etc…i.e.,EVERYONE who dislikes Obama. At least that’s how I read his words…but I also wasn’t looking for anything outside what he stated.

I don’t know why these things matter. You’re never going to be able to weed out all of the racism, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter: he won the election with a clear majority and therefore a clear mandate to get the country going in the right direction. Poll after poll shows what people want. He’s burning up political capital on stupid, unnecessary things right now when the Dems have control of both the presidency and both congress and the senate. He’s also marginalizing his secretary of state, which is extremely dumb b/c she’ll undermine his efforts or run against him. Now, this ACORN business is coming out and everyone knows the president worked there.

I guess my point is, it’s the president’s fault whether he succeeds or fails, not “racists”. If he fails, it’s going to be extremely bad for the country at a point where we’re getting extremely polarized and we’re in a bad economic situation. All he’s gotta do is reverse the policies that have gotten us to our current nadir. The economy’s not his fault, either. He can look like the hero if he does the right thing. Bush and the Republicans could not have driven things harder into a ditch.

Well,I do agree with ya. I was just addressing what hadn’t appeared to be answered.

I thought I’d also add that he’s talking about legalizing the illegals here in 2010. That was the thing that turned Bush’s own party against him more than anything else. Obama could.not.make. a poorer decision than to push for this in the middle of a depression like this (or ever, really). He’ll ruin his presidency if he does this - I guarantee it. If people think the Tea Partiers are a problem now, wait till this drops. He says he’s not going to give health care to the illegals, so if he passes the health care and then just legalizes the illegals, he’s basically lying and he’ll be out by 2012.
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If people think there is racism toward Obama, you should hear what Vicente Fox has said.

He has said openly that Mexicans do jobs that not even blacks will do.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

If people think there is racism toward Obama, you should hear what Vicente Fox has said.

He has said openly that Mexicans do jobs that not even blacks will do. [/quote]

If you want to know what’s going to happen to blacks when the next amnesty passes, just look at what happened to them in Los Angeles county after the first one passed in 1987. The population of blacks dwindled from 18% to less than 6% now.

But this just proves how out-of-touch guys like Obama are on this issue. He’s never worked a blue-collar job and doesn’t know what the Mexicans mean for the blacks in this country, despite the fact that he envisions himself as some sort of advocate for the black community.

Booker T. Washington opposed immigration in the 1920s and 30s for precisely this reason: the people coming here would compete with blacks for jobs.

But maybe I’m underestimating the president. Maybe he has a plan for getting the entire black community in this country out of the blue-collar jobs altogether. Maybe he’ll magically make them all Yale-worthy like him.

He’s really just one of these mulatto elite guys like the people who run the NAACP. Just like Eric Holder.