Can't Believe This SH*T

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
The problem is that some people infact DO NOT KNOW that both Hamas, the old PLO and Hizbollah (accompanied by Iran and Syria) DO WANT to wipe Israel off the map. They even claim that “ofcourse the poor palestinians doesen’t want that”… Go visit a hamas school… that is my suggestion, see what kind of hatred is taught there.

Further on you have “objective” commentators like Cockburn… Finkelstein and Chomsky, which are regularly being dragged to court for their childish attacks towards the likes of Dershowit without letting THAT slow them down… the trend one sees at university campuses around USA now is scary. Not only rational anti-israel propaganda, but pure and simple anti-semitism is more and more common.

Sad. [/quote]

Agree.

[quote]golanhalley wrote:
My workout just got cancelled. Before you say anything let me explain. I work out outside my house. I live in Israel and am preparing for the IDF. I do running, pushups, situps, pullups and bodywieght leg work. My pullups and running workout just got cancelled because of the fucking terrorists. You have no idea how pissed i am right now. I could probably set PR on all of my lifts im so pissed. I’m sitting here in my house unable to leave because some fucking arab decided that since its a holiday it is a great time to go kill some jews. I hope the army fucks that mother fucker up.

I cant fucking wait until they give me a gun and let me tear terrorism a new asshole. any arab sympathizers out there, unless you have been in the middle east and witnessed the arab - jew conflict firsthand shut your fucking collective mouth until you have some firsthand experience.

I was liberal in the way i viewed this situation until we came to move here. any of you stupid fuckers who think the arabs have just cause to kill innocent people should kill themselves right now and hopefully when you get to hell 72 terrorists will be waiting there to rape the dead fucking shit out of you.[/quote]

Amen! There are so many terrorist apologists out there. They say, “Yea, these terrorists came into your country and blew up a bunch of people, but Isreal isn’t innocnent either!” Like there is any coutry out there who is innocent. I never have seen Isreal do anything unprevoked.

Everything is reactive, but I guess people here just want Isreal to get fucking bombed all the time and do nothing about it. When has Isreal attacked anybody for the pure fuck of it?
These attacks will never stop until the terrorists are all dead or there is a Palistine with Jeruselum as it’s capitol and no Isreal.

The sad part is that this second notion is OK with most people, but not me…Fight the good fight brother!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

The word, “terrorist” has created more fundamentalist thought than the Holy Koran; and I am not talking about muslim fundamentalists.

If we just label everyone we don’t agree with (or that don’t agree with us) as terrorists then we can rightly execute them all. Brilliant![/quote]

OMFG, not labelling people! I hope they don’t hijack a plane in Iran, label everyone aboard, debark, go to the nearest high rise and label everyone in the building! Or label everyone in a tube station in Madrid or London or a nightclub in Bahli! God help us all if even one internet video of someone labelling a Muslim man’s head off surfaces.

I would only expect the normally passive people of the Middle East to burn our flags in their streets as a reactionary message to our insults. Imagine the horror and tragic loss of silence as people everywhere are labelled by the malicious anti-Muslim fundamentalists in a widespread religious labelling conflict between the little satan of Palestine and the great chosen land of God or Allah, or Buddha, or no god, or whatever, the West.

The international community should keep an eye on this, I hear the anti-Muslim fundamentalist have got cartoons now. I’m sure they’ll say they only intend to use them for peaceful purposes.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:

I’m really confused now.[/quote]

We’re all here to help you now.

[quote]lucasa wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

The word, “terrorist” has created more fundamentalist thought than the Holy Koran; and I am not talking about muslim fundamentalists.

If we just label everyone we don’t agree with (or that don’t agree with us) as terrorists then we can rightly execute them all. Brilliant!

OMFG, not labelling people! I hope they don’t hijack a plane in Iran, label everyone aboard, debark, go to the nearest high rise and label everyone in the building! Or label everyone in a tube station in Madrid or London or a nightclub in Bahli! God help us all if even one internet video of someone labelling a Muslim man’s head off surfaces.

I would only expect the normally passive people of the Middle East to burn our flags in their streets as a reactionary message to our insults. Imagine the horror and tragic loss of silence as people everywhere are labelled by the malicious anti-Muslim fundamentalists in a widespread religious labelling conflict between the little satan of Palestine and the great chosen land of God or Allah, or Buddha, or no god, or whatever, the West.

The international community should keep an eye on this, I hear the anti-Muslim fundamentalist have got cartoons now. I’m sure they’ll say they only intend to use them for peaceful purposes.[/quote]

Thank you for making my point for me. This war that has been started by whack-os in the desert turned their political grievances into religious fervor and use it as a war-cry. We in turn use our whack-o belief that we are always in the right for the same purpose. These people are criminals–nothing more or less. By labeling them terrorists we give them a cause where they should have none and we turn them into martyrs which further provoke their supporters and garners them more support than they would have had otherwise. We are being defeated by our own propaganda.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Thank you for making my point for me. This war that has been started by whack-os in the desert turned their political grievances into religious fervor and use it as a war-cry. We in turn use our whack-o belief that we are always in the right for the same purpose. These people are criminals–nothing more or less. By labeling them terrorists we give them a cause where they should have none and we turn them into martyrs which further provoke their supporters and garners them more support than they would have had otherwise. We are being defeated by our own propaganda.[/quote]

A name-calling contest where people decide who’s more popular is called an election. No one dies or blows themselves up. Maybe a recount, but no beheadings. You keep forgetting about the parts where, in reality, lots of civilians get targeted and die.

And I’m not currently training in the camps, so I don’t know first hand, but I don’t think Al Zarqawi is a martyr. Nor do I believe the insurgents are fighting to return Sadam to power.

Either we’ve watered down fundamentalism to the point where posting on a message board makes one a whacko fundamentalist you’re playing the part of Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf to a ‘T’. If we don’t call them terrorists, they won’t blow things up and kill people? And if we stop calling it the mafia, they’ll stop commiting crimes? Keep clicking your heels Dorothy.

[quote]golanhalley wrote:
I cant fucking wait until they give me a gun and let me tear terrorism a new asshole. any arab sympathizers out there, unless you have been in the middle east and witnessed the arab - jew conflict firsthand shut your fucking collective mouth until you have some firsthand experience.

I was liberal in the way i viewed this situation until we came to move here. any of you stupid fuckers who think the arabs have just cause to kill innocent people should kill themselves right now and hopefully when you get to hell 72 terrorists will be waiting there to rape the dead fucking shit out of you.[/quote]

As I read this, I couldn’t help noticing a glaring logical error in your spiel.

You say that people who haven’t witnessed the conflict first hand should refrain from commenting on it.

So, following this logic, there are only two parties who could rightfully offer their opinion of the conflict – that is, the two sides actually involved in it.

Now, you’ve made it obvious that you’re on the Israeli side. From this, it necessarily follows that you cannot be on the Palestinian side.

Thus, you’ve set up your own little Catch-22 scenario where your side is right by default. Convenient, eh? Your post, while at first appearing worthless, actually provides some good insight into the depths of nationalist ferver.

Good job.

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Get 'em, dawg!

PS You can still be a liberal without being a pussy. The true liberals over here ABSOLUTELY DO NOT tolerate bullshit like suicide bombing innocents and killing people because of their religion. We are 110% against the tyrrany that says the jews do not deserve to live, or that they are the reason for the problems in the ME. Fuck that.[/quote]

You’re quite right, mainstream Liberals are far from “pussys”.

Before Bush II defied the UN and bombed Iraq, Clinton did the same thing in Kosovo.

Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton, certainly had the neocon mindset - “What’s the point of having this superb military you’re always talking about, if we can’t use it?”

In fact, in the modern political spectrum, there are only left and right wing variations of neoconservatism.

Look at the facts:
-Both parties support big government and big spending.
-Both parties violate the Constitution.
-Both parties support interventionism, at home and abroad.

The only difference between them is over when and where to intervene. This is trivial – a sports rivalry, if you will. The population requires some token gesture of dissent and disagreement in order to retain faith in the establishment.

The right-wingers who characterize mainstream Libs as “pacifists” and “hippies” are sorely mistaken, as I have pointed out on a number of occasions. The intellectual architects of neoconservatism are liberal elitists from top Ivy League universities.

See this:

Yes, it’s an article wholly critical of the left-wing establishment by a site called “Anti-war.com

Read it and learn.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
lucasa wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

The word, “terrorist” has created more fundamentalist thought than the Holy Koran; and I am not talking about muslim fundamentalists.

If we just label everyone we don’t agree with (or that don’t agree with us) as terrorists then we can rightly execute them all. Brilliant!

OMFG, not labelling people! I hope they don’t hijack a plane in Iran, label everyone aboard, debark, go to the nearest high rise and label everyone in the building! Or label everyone in a tube station in Madrid or London or a nightclub in Bahli! God help us all if even one internet video of someone labelling a Muslim man’s head off surfaces.

I would only expect the normally passive people of the Middle East to burn our flags in their streets as a reactionary message to our insults. Imagine the horror and tragic loss of silence as people everywhere are labelled by the malicious anti-Muslim fundamentalists in a widespread religious labelling conflict between the little satan of Palestine and the great chosen land of God or Allah, or Buddha, or no god, or whatever, the West.

The international community should keep an eye on this, I hear the anti-Muslim fundamentalist have got cartoons now. I’m sure they’ll say they only intend to use them for peaceful purposes.

Thank you for making my point for me. This war that has been started by whack-os in the desert turned their political grievances into religious fervor and use it as a war-cry. We in turn use our whack-o belief that we are always in the right for the same purpose. These people are criminals–nothing more or less. By labeling them terrorists we give them a cause where they should have none and we turn them into martyrs which further provoke their supporters and garners them more support than they would have had otherwise. We are being defeated by our own propaganda.[/quote]

This makes no sense at all. Their cause is the spread of radical Islam. Their cause has been around longer than any of us.

I suppose if we surrendered there would be no war but if you think you don’t like it now try living under Islamic law.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This makes no sense at all. Their cause is the spread of radical Islam. Their cause has been around longer than any of us.

I suppose if we surrendered there would be no war but if you think you don’t like it now try living under Islamic law.[/quote]

The average person of any race or ethnicity will not contemplate blowing himself up unless his living conditions are seriously fucked up, and he truly believes that this gesture could in some way affect change.

I know what radical Islam preaches. But I also know that there are certain attributes which apply to all people by virtue of their human nature, and chief among these are the desires for survival and happiness.

Extremists have to exploit legitimate grievances in order to win popular support, because without it, they would always be in the extreme minority.

If the U.S completely pulled out of the Middle East tomorrow, there’s not a chance in hell that any of us, or our children, or our grandchildren would be kneeling towards Mecca 6 times a day. It isn’t too late to let the mess that we created fix itself.

However, give the Arabs another half century’s worth of oppression by foreign powers, another few decades and another generation for the breeding of extremism, and the retaliation – when it comes – will surely be total and uncompromising.

I have little respect for Islam as it is taught and practiced through much of the mid-east. Don’t give me the you can’t judge, it’s just a different culture, crap. The widespread oppression and violence against women in the name of Islam, apostacy laws, destruction of ancient buddhist statues (example), violence against the innocent whenever anyone dares to say something critical of Islam.

Hey, a bone through the nose, or a lip disc? To me that’s a cultural difference. The crap above is pure evil. It’s a hell of alot more widespread than people like to admit. And is now finding it’s way into western nations where these Islamists refuse to adapt to the norms of their host nations. Jack Straw is right, take that damn viel off if you want to speak to me.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I have little respect for Islam as it is taught and practiced through much of the mid-east. Don’t give me the you can’t judge, it’s just a different culture, crap. The widespread oppression and violence against women in the name of Islam, apostacy laws, destruction of ancient buddhist statues (example), violence against the innocent whenever anyone dares to say something critical of Islam.

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By this logic you would also have “little repect” for Christianity or Judaism. Both religions have been around longer than Islam and therefore have commited way more attrocities against civilization.

Ho, hum.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I have little respect for Islam as it is taught and practiced through much of the mid-east. Don’t give me the you can’t judge, it’s just a different culture, crap. The widespread oppression and violence against women in the name of Islam, apostacy laws, destruction of ancient buddhist statues (example), violence against the innocent whenever anyone dares to say something critical of Islam.

By this logic you would also have “little repect” for Christianity or Judaism. Both religions have been around longer than Islam and therefore have commited way more attrocities against civilization.

Ho, hum.
[/quote]

You know, I really get a chuckle out of this arguement. I realize the misdeeds that’ve been carried out under those religions. But see, I live in the here and now, the present. For instance, today the Pope’s greatest threat to another religion is, oddly enough, words.

Today, it’s Islam in the mid-east that is largely enforced and practiced in the most vile of ways. I refuse to hold my tongue because of evil committed by a minority christians and Jews. Or, by many cristians and Jews, in the past. Is that your arguement? It doesn’t work with me.

If your arguement is that I should despise Christians and Jews today, well that’s just silly. But, I do despise the Majority of muslims in the Mid-east. I make no bones about it. They treat women as cattle. Apostacy laws, censorship of the highest order, horrible treatment of religious minorities/non-religious, funding for seperatist groups and terrorists throughout the world, suppression of education, blah, blah, blah.

The west isn’t their oppressor. Their clerics are. The clerics in turn tell them it’s our fault. The Great Satan!

We’re told extremists are the minority. No, the extremists are the majority. Terrorists, might be the minority, yes. But the extremists are aplenty.

Ever look into how many women are the victims of domestic violence throughout the mid-east? The numbers are staggering. Beatings are a tool, taught by the clerics, to bring a woman back to heel. If every woman wanted to wear a Burqa, why the laws and the stonings? By the way, rape isn’t rape, when you’re the property of your husband, you know.

Hell, rape outside of marriage is almost impossible to prove. Furthermore, it’s often the victim who get’s the worst punishment. There was a story recently, told in many media outlets, of a girl put to death in Iran. She was raped. Yet, she was the one hanged while he recieved lashes. Can’t have them teenage whores causing, otherwise Allah-fearing, men to stray temporarily.

Honor killings of girls who’ve shamed their families has even reached Europe. The poor Police have a hard time with those cases because even the “moderates” don’t like giving up muslims to the infidels.

Why, if the vast majority of Muslims in the mid-east are moderate, do they watch all these acts committed against fellow humans and do jack shit? Are they cowards? A big screw you to the cowards, if that’s the case. But it isn’t.

http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1050#

Watch the clip. She does a pretty damn good job.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I have little respect for Islam as it is taught and practiced through much of the mid-east. Don’t give me the you can’t judge, it’s just a different culture, crap. The widespread oppression and violence against women in the name of Islam, apostacy laws, destruction of ancient buddhist statues (example), violence against the innocent whenever anyone dares to say something critical of Islam.

By this logic you would also have “little repect” for Christianity or Judaism. Both religions have been around longer than Islam and therefore have commited way more attrocities against civilization.

Ho, hum.

You know, I really get a chuckle out of this arguement. I realize the misdeeds that’ve been carried out under those religions. But see, I live in the here and now, the present. For instance, today the Pope’s greatest threat to another religion is, oddly enough, words.

Today, it’s Islam in the mid-east that is largely enforced and practiced in the most vile of ways. I refuse to hold my tongue because of evil committed by a minority christians and Jews. Or, by many cristians and Jews, in the past. Is that your arguement? It doesn’t work with me.
[/quote]

You must not travel too far outside your own back yard then. You need to witness Christianity as practiced outside the US. Christianity as practiced in the US is democritized Christianity and lacks many of the “colorful” oddities you seem to think is only inherant in Islam.

You think Christian men don’t treat their women like chattel? You think Christians haven’t killed in the name of Christ in the “here and now”?

I understand your rant and why you “despise” Islam; and you may be right about how some Muslims are oppressed by their clerics but you are wrong if you think one religion is better than the other. They are all shit.

Religion is the “opiate of the masses”, as stated by one of my favorite socialists.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1050#

Watch the clip. She does a pretty damn good job.[/quote]

Wow! she says it all in a nut shell. She nailed it. I mean she is probably beheaded and her body burned somewhere by now!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You must not travel too far outside your own back yard then. You need to witness Christianity as practiced outside the US. Christianity as practiced in the US is democritized Christianity and lacks many of the “colorful” oddities you seem to think is only inherant in Islam.

You think Christian men don’t treat their women like chattel? You think Christians haven’t killed in the name of Christ in the “here and now”?

I understand your rant and why you “despise” Islam; and you may be right about how some Muslims are oppressed by their clerics but you are wrong if you think one religion is better than the other. They are all shit.

Religion is the “opiate of the masses”, as stated by one of my favorite socialists.[/quote]

You seem to have a real hard time with scale and proportion. Throughout much of the Islamic world those issues I’ve raised are widespread. Not Isolated, but widespread. You’re defenisve nature is touching, but it’s bunk.

Apostacy laws, women wearing fucking tents at risk of being stoned to death in the streets, men getting a slap on the wrist compared to women involved in “indecent” acts. Brother’s holding down sisters while the mother slashes the throat of the disgraceful daughter. Heretics, and those that convert away from Islam face death, sometimes through the government and/or the populace. Often both.

Yes, Christians, Jews, and even atheists (gasp! Stalin, Khmer Rouge?!) have their share of idiots. But today, it’s the majority of the Islamic world practicing this brutal oppression and theocratic-totalitarianism. Those who don’t, sit on their thumbs. Where is that vast majority we hear of? Why don’t they overthrow and run-off this tiny minority?

I’ve always loved the quote btw. It’s funny hearing Marx’s view. As Socialism itself is the opiate of the masses, which seeks to rob the individual for the common good of the masses.

The problem arrives when people compare christianity anno 1500 with islam anno 2006… This is not in any way a valid comparison and only strenghten the opposition… :slight_smile:

We took America by killing most American Indians.

That is the only way to take land.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
You seem to have a real hard time with scale and proportion.
[/quote]

I make my living knowing how to judge scale and porportion. This is what makes me think you’re a bit touched.

You have no real way to measure the scale of Islamic vs. Christian attrocities so what you say is nothing more than speculation. Plus you sound like a typical ingorant American who has never been anywhere or witnessed anything other than your own culture. You have no frame of reference other than how you judge American Christians.