Cane Corso

Hey Xen, here’s the email I got from my friend this morning:

“I would say if he wants a low maintenance dog, that a Corso is not what he is looking for. These dogs require a quite a bit of training to remain tractable around people. Not so much other animals, but you never know what is going to happen with an intact male. Fight drives vary. I have seen some males able to lay about with other males without a care in the world. The females, on the other hand, especially the ones from European lines, have a lot of same sex aggression. We lose a few dogs a year in the community from female on female fights.”

His breeder was in Oregon, but isn’t doing it anymore. He knows a few others though, so I’m getting to check if he knows any that are closer to SoCal.

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Xen, my buddy got his from North Carolina. I breed pits [razors edge, it’s a bully breed] and the dude I bought my first two from got his start breeding Rots. He stopped when one of his rots attacked his little girl without provocation.

He said he had had some problems with the rots’ behavior overall, and when that happened he got rid of all of ‘em within the week. Not saying that is how all rots behave, just tossin’ that out there. He’s been breeding Razors edge now for 8+ years and has had no problems whatsoever.

It’s funny that you mention that. I had a rottie before and it attacked my mom without provocation… I thought perhaps it had just been because I wasn’t giving it enough attention (I was in high school at the time) and filed away that I’ll try again with a rot later. I’ll look into it a little more because I’ve heard great things, and then I’ve heard horrible things.

I think the breeder I got them from kept them in bad conditions and that led to perhaps a change in the dogs temperment even though I got him as a pup (i still miss that damn dog though, Zeus was his name). I got rottweiler rescue to take him in to make sure no one was going to use him as a fighting dog or something similar.

All else fails though my buddy breeds pitts and I think they might even be razors edge one’s like your’s I’ll check a lil later and report back. [/quote]

I’ve been around dogs my whole life, grew up with 2 english sheepdogs and a neo, been around just about every breed you can think of and I can say with no hesitation I will never own another dog than a razors edge pit. They are the most loyal,loving,friendly,goofy dogs I’ve ever been around.

They’re short,jacked with giant heads and amazing temperments. My male is 19in at the withers [shoulder blades] with a 23&1/2 in head and weighs around 100lbs. He looks like a midget bodybuilder.

I had one for 11 years. Best dog ever, needs a ton of exercise though. He was trained well and was great around people. Awesome to hang out with too. I bought him from a breeder in pennsylvania, sorry cant help there.

Yea I’m not looking for a low maintenance dog, I understand the commitment which is why I’m waiting till I actually have a yard and some freetime.

My buddy said “blue nose this breeding is gotti x razors edge blood line.”

I have no idea what that means… But i figured it would have significance to you.

:slight_smile:

and yea his dogs are the nicest dogs i’ve ever been around. I’m a stranger to them and all they really wanted was to be rubbed and played with. Constantly just wanted attention… I felt like they were soldiers anxiously awaiting an order.

He’s been trying to change my mind to just get a razors edge pitt for a while.

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Yea I’m not looking for a low maintenance dog, I understand the commitment which is why I’m waiting till I actually have a yard and some freetime.

My buddy said “blue nose this breeding is gotti x razors edge blood line.”

I have no idea what that means… But i figured it would have significance to you.

:slight_smile:

and yea his dogs are the nicest dogs i’ve ever been around. I’m a stranger to them and all they really wanted was to be rubbed and played with. Constantly just wanted attention… I felt like they were soldiers anxiously awaiting an order.

He’s been trying to change my mind to just get a razors edge pitt for a while. [/quote]

Blue indicates the color and Gotti and Razors edge are 2 well respected bully bloodlines. It sounds like he’s puting a Razors edge dog to a Gotti dog [or vice versa] to see what the pups come out like. I’m telling you man, everyone I’ve known who got a razors edge pup feels the same way. I will say they’re expensive, but if you’re looking at a cane corso you’re probably not too worried about the cash, and they’re worth every penny and more.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
I wish everyone with a dog had that attitude. Most people seem to get a dog for the novelty of it. [/quote]

Maybe I’m just naive, but don’t most people get pets for companionship?

“Although many breeders claim that these dogs are aggressive, the true Corso should be indifferent when approached and should only react when a real threat is present. However, the majority of the American version of the Corso do not possess the proper temperament for this breed.”

American Corsos are bred to be about 35 pounds bigger than European-bred Corsos. The Cane Corso is, indeed, an Italian molosser (the mastiff/bully family), so named for the Corsican area from whence it hails. European Corsos generally weigh 105 pounds for males and 90-ish pounds for females. These numbers are based on memory, but are fairly accurate. We Americans (those of us who are Americans, that is :stuck_out_tongue: ) are known throughout the world for liking larger dogs. To this end, we’ve increased the size of certain breeds, often to the breeds’ detriment.

Corsos, from what I know, are active, strong dogs. Their temperaments will vary between lines and, of course, between individuals. One Corso I met, a freakishly huge (and awesome!)male, was friendly and amenable, without being fawning or subservient. He sat up and took keen interest whenever another dog came close. With people (including me, a total stranger), he was gentle and pleasant.

To the OP: if you’re serious about a dog, I highly recommend thoroughly researching a number of breeds. Go to Barnes and Noble, get on the 'net, and start reading. Make a list of the qualities you most want in your dog, then start looking for breeds that possibly match. Finally, seek out different breeders and visit their dogs. You’ll get a feel for the basic temperament of the breed.

These were the steps I took when I wanted a dog. Initially, I was inclined towards a Newfoundland. My basic criteria were: extra large to giant breed, 130lbs+ and tall; gentle with children, yet protective; sufficiently athletic to accompany me on hikes and backpacking trips; fundamentally obedient/desiring of pleasing its owner more than its particular instincts.

Using these criteria, I met a bunch of dogs and ultimately found that my research and gut were right - a Newf was the dog for me. There were other breeds which matched all but one of my needs, such as the Great Pyrenees. For me, the downside to Pyrs is they roam when off-leash in the wilderness. Pyrs are livestock guarding dogs and, as such, believe their duty is to roam an entire mountain to protect their family/flock from predators. I prefer my dog stay close when I’m backpacking; a dog who’s 2 miles away just doesn’t provide the canine companionship I’m looking for :stuck_out_tongue:

So, OP, good luck in your quest for a dog! The animal planet website has a good dog breed selector. Take the quiz and see what it tells you; the info may be useful.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
Aren’t they supposed to be guard dogs or hunting large game? If you have children I’d consider thoroughly[/quote]

They’re actually surprisingly good with children and strangers.

I have a mate who got one not to long ago. When it first met me, for about the first week, it would just sit there and stare at me. Eventually it got to the stage where now he sees me and tkae the liberty of lying down on my feet.

Very warm animal.

They warm up to strangers, but it takes time.

They’re first rate if you get a good one. We did some work with a 14 or 15 month old male years back and he was thoroughly stable. Very people and child friendly, but would really turn on the juice when I pulled out the whip and the sleeve. Very courageous and strong when working, but would immediately downshift for post work socialization. Exactly what you want.

Above is another similarly constructed breed. The Dogo Argentino. One of the very few dogs that struck the fear of God in my heart and made me wonder if being an agitator was such a great idea.

will definitely check out petfinder bro

Xen,

My mom has 2 Cane Corsos, both female. Both can get very dog-aggressive, so be aware when taking one out on walks. Good training is VERY important with these dogs.

The older one actually killed my mom’s cocker spaniel, very sad. They are both very territorial as well, and they defend my mom’s house and yard 24/7. They tend to patrol the yard looking for people through the fence. They are great at keeping the shady characters away, just by their appearance and bark.

They can be very sweet and loving dogs, but you have to know your dog’s temperment, and avoid situations that may cause trouble. One of the 2 really doesn’t like kids at all, so she has to be closely monitored around small children. Maybe she thinks they are wierd bipedal dogs, I don’t know.

They are very trainable, but be prepared to put in some work to get them trained up and keep them that way. Hope this helps, you can PM me for more info if you want.

I’ve been involved with dog breeding for 20 years (pitbulls) and I have quite a bit of experience with the molloser breeds.

I would strongly suggest a long period of research for anyone that wants to own one of these breeds. Their relative attributes are often “romanticized” by those in the rare breed community who not by coincidence make a pretty penny off of puppies. All breeds, all bloodlines, have their pro’s and con’s. Learn them before deciding.

Learn about the parents and the breeding, and why a particular breeding was made. You cannot know what you want and can live with if all you know is you like the way this breed LOOKS.

Forget books. Most books have only thumbnail sketch background on various rare breeds and they vary in accuracy and are always short on depth. I would peruse breed specific message boards where will find some very knowledgeable people on those boards with various opinions about the breed, bloodlines and breeders. There is a molloser specific message board that is a good place to start.

Do not underestimate doing your homework. I was an experienced pitbull guy (an expert in fact) when I brought my first dogo argentino over 10 years ago. In that relatively short period of time, I would not have purchased that particular dog from that breeder if I had it to do over. My second dogo took me in an entirely different direction…and I was a very experienced dogman at the time, but not necessarily an experienced “dogo” man. In other words, get as much knowledge about your chosen breed as possible BEFORE you buy.

Finally, research these breeds with an eye to getting down to the “truth” of the breed and peel back that “romanticism” that those that own or sell the breed have. Fact is, the Cane Corso had a job long ago but has long since been bred for nothing but looks. It now retains nothing of what it was intended to be and its temperment varies markedly between bloodlines. I have a very good friend that owns and shows Corsos. I’d suggest looking up your local Rare Breed Club and going to some rare breed shows to meet the breed in person and talk to some people. After much research, THEN decide if you still like the dog.

Fact is there isn’t a Corso anywhere that can hunt like it was intended and they are not known to excel in man work. I’m not going to pontificate on “working dogs”, of which the Corso was supposed to be, but if a dog no longer has a “job”, how can you evaluate its fitness? By looks? That’s tantamount to saying because a guy has big biceps, he’s probably a good powerlifter. Don’t fall into that trap when it comes to dogs and breeds of dogs. The WORSE reason in the world to choose a breed or even an individual dog, is because you LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. Off my soap box now.

Finally, many of the molloser breeds have some strong drives that you need to be prepared to deal with. And, these drives are not necessarily positive drives for the pet owner. They are generally not novice dog owner breeds - but that doesn’t stop novices from attempting to own them. I’m not telling you or even suggesting to you what to buy, I’m only cautioning you to understand what you are getting in to.

The rare breed message boards are full of horror stories of novice owners and breeders “ruining” one breed or another.

Good luck with whatever decision you make when you are ready to make it. Remember, its a decision that will be with you and/or your family for about 12 years.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ve been involved with dog breeding for 20 years (pitbulls) and I have quite a bit of experience with the molloser breeds…

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Perhaps the most thoughtful, informative, and well reasoned post I have read on this board in years. As a dog lover, I commend you!

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
A long post that pretty much explains my almost complete disdain for the AKC, though breeding was never my thing[/quote]

Bodyguard thank you, I’ve definitely learned from this thread that I have MUCH MUCH MUCH more homework to do before deciding on a dog.

I intend to commit a lot of time to whatever breed I do end up choosing and giving it a “job to do” and work to keep it from going batshit crazy with nothing to do.

This won’t just be a dog to me, but pretty much who I spend my free time with outside of training and work.

So I’m well aware of the time commitment and I will make that happen but I need to do a lot more research apparently.

Thanks for your post! I have a lot of reading to do now!

[quote]TJN713 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ve been involved with dog breeding for 20 years (pitbulls) and I have quite a bit of experience with the molloser breeds…

Perhaps the most thoughtful, informative, and well reasoned post I have read on this board in years. As a dog lover, I commend you![/quote]

I have a vid with the chick in ur avatar… es very nice.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
… the breeder highly recommends a raw meat diet for the cane corso.[/quote]

Yep. In fact ALL dogs should be on raw meat diets. There are people who say, “domestic dogs can’t tolerate raw meat, so they should stick with the commercial kibble.”

That’s BULLSHIT! The dog’s physiology has not changed in thousands of years! Raw meat is what they were meant to eat. I challenge any of those nay-sayers to eat fucking dry kibble themselves every day and see how healthy they become!

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Bodyguard thank you, I’ve definitely learned from this thread that I have MUCH MUCH MUCH more homework to do before deciding on a dog.

I intend to commit a lot of time to whatever breed I do end up choosing and giving it a “job to do” and work to keep it from going batshit crazy with nothing to do.

This won’t just be a dog to me, but pretty much who I spend my free time with outside of training and work.

So I’m well aware of the time commitment and I will make that happen but I need to do a lot more research apparently.

Thanks for your post! I have a lot of reading to do now![/quote]

You’re welcome. Let me know if you need any help - PM me. There is one particular molloser board that would be a good place to put your toe in the water and connect with corso owners, breeders, etc., and to begin your research.

One thing I forgot to add; the dog world is full of weird people and breed groups in particular are very cliquish…they will bad mouth each other and sometimes the ones that appear the most knowledgeable are putting out the shittiest pups or examples of the breed. They wil even protect each other and their questionable practices. Just sit on the sidelines for a while and learn the POLITICS of your breed and who is who. Once you can navigate the politics, only then are you in a position to make an intelligent decision about where to get your pup if you are still set on that particuar breed. Once you are 100% sure on the breed and breeder, you can begin to consider a pup. Believe me, if you’re not ready to buy now, you’re in a good position because like I said, in spite of my dog experience, I brought a dogo from a breeder I would not have brought a dogo from today. So time is your friend.

I don’t have to tell you again, but it’s a 12 year or so committment and tantamount to marriage as 12 years is a bit longer than most marriages last nowadays :slight_smile:

And to the poster who mentioned the AKC, we are same church and pew my friend. It’s disgusting what humans have done to the canine. Even most every working breed has been ruined - I don’t even want to discuss non-working breeds. If you want a dog that can actually do the work it was intended to do, you’re off on an indiana jones hunt for the holy damn grail. And even then, it’s hit and miss. It’s a damn shame.

Good luck in your quest Xen :slight_smile:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
A long post that pretty much explains my almost complete disdain for the AKC, though breeding was never my thing

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Noticed you do agitation work. Nice to see someone here aquainted with a working dog :slight_smile: