[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
But then… why would you want to live forever? To me, life is far too painful to want it to go on for an extra 200 years… [/quote]
I think people get hung up on “forever”. I know I’d want to live a lot longer than 100 years if I was able to have excellent quality of life during those years.
There are certainly painful things in life, and if you live a routine all the time it can get dull, so I think maybe at some point you might just stop caring anymore, as you’ve seen and done enough.
However, I have to say, don’t focus on the painful things, work through them, let go of them, and surround yourself with things that being you enjoyment.
Too many people allow themselves to suffer through things they hate, whether they are jobs, or relationships, when they could just leave, and find something that makes them happy instead.
Shoot, who’d want another couple hundred years of drudgery and suffering? Nobody sane!
Death is the last great veil that must be overcome. Life begets life. The answer is yes.
You are a spiritual (energetic) being having a human (Physical) experience.
Scientifically it has been proven through quantum physics e=mc2
Matter is neither created nor destroyed it is just energy vibrating at different rates of vibration. Everything that appears to be solid is just energy in a certain rate of vibration. When it is done serving a purpose it just shape shifts (changes it rate or vibration) and returns to the ether.
You can research this for yourself through past life regression therapy, or take a look at all the information gathered from channellings or near death experiences. There is too much information to deny or dispute.
[quote]mikger wrote:
Death is the last great veil that must be overcome. Life begets life. The answer is yes.
You are a spiritual (energetic) being having a human (Physical) experience.
Scientifically it has been proven through quantum physics e=mc2
Matter is neither created nor destroyed it is just energy vibrating at different rates of vibration. Everything that appears to be solid is just energy in a certain rate of vibration. When it is done serving a purpose it just shape shifts (changes it rate or vibration) and returns to the ether.
You can research this for yourself through past life regression therapy, or take a look at all the information gathered from channellings or near death experiences. There is too much information to deny or dispute.[/quote]
Great response. Love the optimism, and the heaping scoop of hope in your argument.
Would I want to live forever? Definitely not. Having said that I still think it would really be cool to stick around for the next few hundred years:
*Fusion energy
*Designer babies
*“Official” contact with extraterrestrial life
*Complete eradication of all non-genetic based (from birth) disease
*Development of gravity based drives/interstellar travel
*Zero-point energy
…I’d probably be ok with sticking around for a few hundred years if it meant I could witness a few of those. Make you feel kinda shitty that you still live in the 21st century. Well, at least it’s not the Dark Ages.
[quote]vroom wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
But then… why would you want to live forever? To me, life is far too painful to want it to go on for an extra 200 years…
I think people get hung up on “forever”. I know I’d want to live a lot longer than 100 years if I was able to have excellent quality of life during those years.
There are certainly painful things in life, and if you live a routine all the time it can get dull, so I think maybe at some point you might just stop caring anymore, as you’ve seen and done enough.
However, I have to say, don’t focus on the painful things, work through them, let go of them, and surround yourself with things that being you enjoyment.
Too many people allow themselves to suffer through things they hate, whether they are jobs, or relationships, when they could just leave, and find something that makes them happy instead.
Shoot, who’d want another couple hundred years of drudgery and suffering? Nobody sane![/quote]
If you could live forever, you’d end up being completely existentialist and wishing for death. I think most people would.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Scientists have done experiments with fruit flies where they “bred” longevity in the flies. They managed to extend the average lifespan of an entire fruitfly community by, I think, 150%.
In a nutshell, their results suggested that the flies could either
1.) Live fast, die young
or
2.) Live a very long, but slow and steady life.
But not both.
They have also found that organisms across the board, including humans, tend to die younger if they produced offspring. The experiments suggested that if you want to live a lot longer, you have to “sacrifice” your youthful exuberance.
Since stopping death really throws a wrench into the natural cycle, I think that nature will find a way to kill you no matter what level of technology you have.[/quote]
I also agree with this… plus I would much rather have intensity over longevity.
No we cannot live forever. I don’t care what science does- some things are just phyisically impossible. We’re all just masses of decaying organic matter and that’s it. I predict that they will never make any significant headway toward eradicating disease, either.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
No we cannot live forever. I don’t care what science does- some things are just phyisically impossible. We’re all just masses of decaying organic matter and that’s it. I predict that they will never make any significant headway toward eradicating disease, either.
Interesting thread. I love vampire novels and the idea of being immortal. I also sometimes get hung up on the thought of death and what is going to happen to me when I die. It can be upsetting, especially now that my son is old enough to start asking questions about it.
My mother-in-law died for a few minutes in the hospital a long time ago and tells me not to be afraid of death, it was the most wonderful feeling you can imagine. She saw the light and all that. She is very down to earth and not “fruity”. hmmm…
I wonder if maybe death is simply part of a bigger cycle and not something to fear, but I guess I won’t know until it happens.
I believe it. I do think mankind will simply find a way to stop and reverse aging, stop degenerative diseases. It may make for a more peacefull existence. By this time, medicine will be so far advanced it will make todays technology seem like midevil times.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
pookie wrote:
That’s pretty much the post I was going to make. Basically, even if we could make each individual person have the ability to live forever, there would be the issue of population since people would never be dying. Once the earth filled up with people, there would not be enough food and stuff for everyone, and people would get killed.[/quote]
You can fit a lot of people on the Earth before running out of room. I think we’d run out of many other resources before we ran out of space.
It could also provide the necessary push for space exploration to really take off. There’s a whole universe out there just waiting for us…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
But then… why would you want to live forever? To me, life is far too painful to want it to go on for an extra 200 years… [/quote]
Really? Is your life that bad?
Have you considered moving out of New Jersey?
Joking aside, I still think it’d be nice to be able to live until you grew bored of it. It’s not like you’d be forced to endure endless decades of boredom if you didn’t want to.
Personally, there is so much stuff I’d like to see, do and learn that I don’t think I’ll have enough time even if I live to be a hundred.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
No we cannot live forever. I don’t care what science does- some things are just phyisically impossible. We’re all just masses of decaying organic matter and that’s it. I predict that they will never make any significant headway toward eradicating disease, either.
[quote]solafide55 wrote:
We can prolong our life, however the second law of thermodynamics would seem to indicate that we can not live forever.
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Please elaborate. Why does the second law of thermodynamics preclude the perpetual existence of a living organism? Is this because they require more energy than they return to the environment?
As a Christian, I believe that we will live forever - just not on earth. I have no desire to prolong my stay on this earth. Don’t get me wrong, I want to live a full life. But as great as life can be, and as many people as I love, I believe there is something so much better waiting for me, and because of that I neither fear nor wish to prolong death. Just living everyday to its fullest.
There’s only two things I fear about death:
Someone I know doing the autopsy [I’m self-conscious, okay?]
[quote]pookie wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
But then… why would you want to live forever? To me, life is far too painful to want it to go on for an extra 200 years…
Really? Is your life that bad?
Have you considered moving out of New Jersey?
Joking aside, I still think it’d be nice to be able to live until you grew bored of it. It’s not like you’d be forced to endure endless decades of boredom if you didn’t want to.
Personally, there is so much stuff I’d like to see, do and learn that I don’t think I’ll have enough time even if I live to be a hundred.
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“I’m just following… the Irish way of life, the human way of life. Cram as much pleasure into life, and rail against the pain you have to suffer as a result. Or scream and rant with the pain, and wait for it to be taken away with beautiful pleasure” -Shane McGowan
I don’t want to be around any longer than I’m supposed to.
Meanwhile, none of the past five generations of men in my family have made it to age 70. My father died just over a year ago. I feel like mortality has tapped me on the shoulder and whispered in my ear “Tag - you’re next.”[/quote]
Man, I know what you mean.
In the span of about 14 months I lost my father, step father, both grandmothers, a cousin, and my daughters 1st dog, (I know, but it still hurt).
My father’s dad died about two years before all of this.
