Haha… I can see why you chose that as your screen name then.
It’s amazing that you are that hungry. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
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You need to give every change 8 weeks for your body to normalize and expect to not feel ideal until then. Hang in there and you’ll be fine. If you make another change you are just restarting that clock.
That’s got to effect your deep sleep cycles.
Or you’re extremely biased to how overly sensitive YOU are to hormonal changes. Many people can do 2-3x a week and be perfectly fine. He’s less than 2 weeks in after stopping an AI and taking a pretty decent dose of T… I’d give it a few more weeks as is first. If that doesn’t work then dose more frequently.
I don’t think dosing more often is a bad idea necessarily, but it’s not required in every case.
@dextermorgan
Im sure it does, dbl edged sword type thing. But its better than waking every 1-1.5 hours because I’m hungry as f. What i haven’t tried yet is staying up later, thus eating later and see if i make it till morning that way. Sucks tho Because once the wife and kid go to bed im just sitting there doing nothing. Don’t rly watch tv or anything. However i did binge watch Dexter a long time ago.
If you’ve been doing it for years it’s going to take time for your “new circadian rhythm” to develop. I wouldn’t expect you to magically not wake up immediately but over time your body will adjust.
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It has nothing to do with my own personal experience, I didn’t even mention anything about sensitivity to hormonal fluctuations, I mentioned these large doses are spiking estrogen high and is why he needs an AI on this current protocol.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
You need to quit being so dense and consider others viewpoints without totally dismissing what they are saying.
If you spew that nonsense about estrogen is your friend, I’m going to shit myself!
So you see it has nothing to do with my experience, it has everything to do with what he has experienced. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out where this is going.
We need to start treating everyone as a unique individual.
FWIW, I had the same issue when I initially began TRT; however it had more so to do with the test dose. At a “T”-mill doc, I received 200mg all at once ew… ~days 2-4 post injection I had a hard time getting to sleep. When I switched docs and went 100mg e3.5d, this issue subsided. As noted, you may need to inject even more frequent than e3.5d or even lower your total weekly dose.
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Add this to your supplements before sleep Melatonin 20-40 mg. start low and move it up. Theanine, magnesium glyicinate, gaba relaxer, 5http, DHEA and you can also add ashwagandah. this helps a ton for me and I usually sleep through the night without any issues. Before these supplements I had issues left and right.
You also recently stopped ai . give your body time to adapt to the ai being gone. its not the estrogen, its the body not knowing what to do now that you aren’t blocking estrogen anymore. you have to give the body time anytime you make a change … I know so many men who do not use an ai and not one of the complains of this issue. its either sleep apnea or other issues that cause them to wakeup at night.
You say that, but on the other hand you blanket dose everyone with 50mg twice a week. ???
We all have the same human body with the same organs, skin, bones, heart, brain and receptors. We are unique, but we are very similar in that T works for all of us. The biggest suggestion anyone can give is that it take every man a different amount of time to get used to the doses. Some need more and some need less. The biggest reason men go to a lower dose is because they have a symptom and cannot get through/past it and allow the body time to adapt. same reason why people take an AI and ruin their lipids , heart, bones. because they dont want to spend a few weeks not feeling great. Instant gratification.
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Definitely guilty of this… i’ll be honest I feel really really bad today I wanna reach for that AI so bad but I know it’s only going to prolong the steady state but seriously I woke up at 2 AM and have been in bed ever cents it feels like I have the flu but I know I don’t…
fluctuating hormones are wreaking havoc on me! I did change to 50 mg Monday Wednesday Friday as suggested by another group and drop the AI so I know it’s gonna be a shitty couple weeks but hopefully I start feeling better around mid March because I got to take the kids to Disneyland with the wife… oh boy
I never recommended 50mg twice weekly to @bigjtrt, if fact I hardly recommend this protocol. I think you are barking up the wrong tree as well. I will recommend protocols based off pre-TRT labs using my methods because they have worked countless times before.
Have you tried Trazodone? It’s the only sleep med that really works well for me.
Also, It took a solid 3 months on a proper TRT protocol to really see benefits with my sleep quality.
Trazodone requires prescription and is not a supplement. He should check with his doctor by all means.
He mentioned trying all sleep meds (not just supplements). It is indeed prescription only, but if his doctor is prescribing him benzos, then he will have 0 problem getting Trazodone barring any drug interactions.
To OP: Benzos, nonbenzos, and hypnotics are usually best to help someone fall asleep, but not necessarily keep them asleep. Trazodone is one of the few drugs that will keep you asleep, and the half life is short enough that you won’t been too groggy in the morning.
Bro again as in my case I think this is masking the problem even if it works, but he must get to the bottom of his sleeping issues.
Maybe to wait a few more weeks, if not fixed to start injecting daily and reduce the total dose
I really have good results with 10mg melatonin + 1mg ksm aswagandha before sleep. But I also noticed (multiple times) if I go to sleep before 23 I will wake up around 2 or 3am completely rested, regardless how tired I’m. So I always go to sleep around 00:00, it’s the only way I can sleep through the night.
And quit daily naps if you do. They used to feck me big time. Even if I close my eyes for 10 minutes during the day, there is no sleeping in the evening.
I have not tried trazadone. I’ve used ambian, Xanax, and my current one is temazapam.
No naps ever… or feels to me that my body is just fine on 4/5hrs. Psychologically Is where I struggle. Not much you can do at 2am and not feel like a tweaker. Hopefully upping my dose and increasing my FT will get me sleeping better but I have my doubts. From day one of adding T into my system this has been a issue.
Estrogen is your friend. There is a reason why the body creates it. Your TRT hasn’t even worked until recently. How do you know what works? Im asking respectfully. Where are you getting your knowledge. Is it on these forums or are you speaking to doctors and picking their brains. What literature have you read. How is estrogen always the cause of every issue men have on trt?
All the research shows estrogen as being beneficial when its having a good balance/ratio to free t / DHT. Doesn’t matter how fat a man is. This is a false belief. plenty of guys are overweight and dont block their estrogen. they feel fine. Probably because estrogen is also a locally and occurring hormone.
You are being critiqued because you make suggestions that make zero sense to me. Ive asked other folks this question and they never answer me. Show some evidence that estrogen isn’t our friend and that it should be controlled.
KISS
Yes estrogen is our friend. it protects our heart, brain, bones, blood, and it is what gives us our libido or desires. The body is a wonderful machine. it knows what it needs. You put in a dose of T and it outputs what it needs.
Sure there might be a person out there whose body is broken and this conversion is not optimal, but then again I haven’t run across this person. Guys with low shbg, and high shbg do fine on daily or eod injections. I dont see people worrying about their shbg . they simply take a dose and figure out what dose reduces their symptoms and proceeds the other long term benefits we want from TRT. High shbg can take a daily dose. eventually they overdose their shbg for optimal levels. when you reach this point you need to control the spikes and create a balanced output. take too little and go ahead and suggest a big weekly shot.
Take a piece of paper and write down the benefits of each and tell me which hormone is the most important.
T doesn’t kill. what kills is underlying genetic defects and illness. I bet majority of the guys who experienced heart attacks, blood clots on trt were having low e2 levels. this low e level increased the rate of CV instances in men. It is the one common factor between the majority of men out there going to clinics. What else would of caused it? Free t? DHT?
No study showing the benefits of testosterone in men since it has been studied beginning in the 1930s was an AI used.
Well I’m doing a MWF at 50mg a shot. I think this will be the ticket. I just hope it only takes 2-4 weeks for things to settle down. I seem to be hyper sensitive to out of sync hormones and get terrible sides. I did learn on my latest 8-weeks at 100mg that it truly does require a hands off approach and zero changes. I do wish I would have found a better experience on that protocol but still had symptoms.