[quote]ephrem wrote:
Sloth wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…if telling the truth is promoting secularism, then you are right. I’m off to bed, goodnight…
The truth?
…truth, as in:[/quote]
Ah ephrem, you’re throwing the “truth ?” exchange wide open when it was rather specific. That makes conversation much too frustrating for me, as it feels like someone is moving the goal posts.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Sloth wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…if telling the truth is promoting secularism, then you are right. I’m off to bed, goodnight…
The truth?
…truth, as in:
Ah ephrem, you’re throwing the “truth ?” exchange wide open when it was rather specific. That makes conversation much too frustrating for me, as it feels like someone is moving the goal posts.[/quote]
…i’m sorry, and you are right ofcourse, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Christ, because that is how this celebration is defined and constructed by the Catholic Church. No argument there sloth…
…by truth i meant simply the fact that Christmas is a rebranding of a celebration that happened long before Christianity even was invented. I think that Cockney meant that aswell…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Another point, what makes you think that there is a causal relationship between religion and birth rate? There certainly seems to be a correlation but that is not the same thing.
Religion provides cohesion. Marriage, family, offspring, are cherished (and expected) treasures for adults coming of age within such a society. Religion provides the morality and norms neccessary for strong, intact, productive families, society wide. It provides the culture and guardianship underpinning it’s importance. I don’t think atheists and agnostics can ever replace this. So, I see the ongoing secularization of Western nations as temporary. Some new religion will replace that old time religion. They might not be as tolerant of the mocking “brights”, however.[/quote]
So basically, atheist can’t love their family without God.
Morality isn’t from religion either.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Another point, what makes you think that there is a causal relationship between religion and birth rate? There certainly seems to be a correlation but that is not the same thing.
Religion provides cohesion. Marriage, family, offspring, are cherished (and expected) treasures for adults coming of age within such a society. Religion provides the morality and norms neccessary for strong, intact, productive families, society wide. It provides the culture and guardianship underpinning it’s importance. I don’t think atheists and agnostics can ever replace this. So, I see the ongoing secularization of Western nations as temporary. Some new religion will replace that old time religion. They might not be as tolerant of the mocking “brights”, however.
So basically, atheist can’t love their family without God.
Morality isn’t from religion either.[/quote]
Fertility rates aren’t my fault. Don’t take it out on me.