[quote]Dt546 wrote:
For the most part I feel you are correct. But the holy book that the catholics worship is horrbily barbaric. Maybe i am misunderstanding your statement about “no longer catholic.” [/quote]
Now we worship a book. Awesome.
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
Do you have any evidence to back this, or is it purely speculation?[/quote]
Are you an atheist?
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I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
I didn’t know Orion (I always said it O’Ryan) was a girl! Since, when?[/quote]
Umm what? Since when what?
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I did not know you saw me that way!
I am terribly flattered.
Your supposed penis however, well, that and about 6000 miles of ocean…
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
Do you have any evidence to back this, or is it purely speculation?[/quote]
Are you an atheist?
[/quote]
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
I didn’t know Orion (I always said it O’Ryan) was a girl! Since, when?[/quote]
Umm what? Since when what?
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I believe orion is a dude (of course I could have gotten mixed signals with his flirting), you said she…I assume you were referencing orion (pronounced o’ryan; correct me if I am wrong).
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
Well, I’ll assume you’re an atheist simply for the exercise.
So you say, “There isn’t a one religion created by any sort of god. It’s man-made!”
Later you say, “Religion is/has been bloody”
You see the implication? Ultimately it’s a rant against man’s tendencies. [/quote]
We are not engaging in any sort of exercise. So I would appreciate being allowed to decide my own religious preferences. I simply came into the conversation late, and am curious what she was alluding too.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
Do you have any evidence to back this, or is it purely speculation?[/quote]
Are you an atheist?
[/quote]
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
I didn’t know Orion (I always said it O’Ryan) was a girl! Since, when?[/quote]
Umm what? Since when what?
[/quote]
I believe orion is a dude (of course I could have gotten mixed signals with his flirting), you said she…I assume you were referencing orion (pronounced o’ryan; correct me if I am wrong). [/quote]
I for whatever reason assumed he or she was a she. Didnt even read the screen name, and I am still not sure of your point. Are you simply correcting me, if so, then thank you.
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
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We are not engaging in any sort of exercise.[/quote]
I am.
[quote] So I would appreciate being allowed to decide my own religious preferences.[/quote] I wasn’t aware anyone was stopping you.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
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We are not engaging in any sort of exercise.[/quote]
I am.
Assuming other peoples position on things is a sad way to go about a conversation
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
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We are not engaging in any sort of exercise.[/quote]
I am.
Assuming other peoples position on things is a sad way to go about a conversation[/quote]
I didn’t assume your religious position.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The christian heaven, if it did exist (which it more than likely does not), would be as Hitchens described it, as a “celestial North Korea”.
I’ll pass, thank you…[/quote]
Again. Banquets, hiking, and sex…not sure how that comes close to celestial North Korea.[/quote]
LOL…okay.
And god said “Let me save you from what I will do to you if you fail to worship me properly or with enough fervor”…ummmm, WTF?
#epicfail
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
Well, I’ll assume you’re an atheist simply for the exercise.
So you say, “There isn’t a one religion created by any sort of god. It’s man-made!”
Later you say, “Religion is/has been bloody”
You see the implication? Ultimately it’s a rant against man’s tendencies. Pretty much what Orion is saying.[/quote]
“I’ll assume you’re an atheist”
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So how does this repenting thing work? If you don’t believe can you still fake repenting just in case you’ve been wrong your whole life?[/quote]
Am I sorry just because I say I am, or because I am?[/quote]
To clarify, sorry for what?
I’ll say this though, if there really was an Intelligent Designer, I would expect him to make human beings innately well meaning to begin with. I can’t speculate whether or not human beings would have been better with or without religion, but historical evidence tells us that religious dick swinging has been responsible(directly or indirectly) for some of the most horrific crimes, mass murders, genocides and oppression all over the world.
I don’t know if this fact is even refutable, since the Bible, specifically the Old Testament advocates slavery, selling your daughter, and other barbaric acts. (Deutoronomy, Exodus).
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The christian heaven, if it did exist (which it more than likely does not), would be as Hitchens described it, as a “celestial North Korea”.
I’ll pass, thank you…[/quote]
Again. Banquets, hiking, and sex…not sure how that comes close to celestial North Korea.[/quote]
“Religious belief is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you’re born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you’re dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I’ve been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He’s not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It’s a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It’s one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can fucking die and leave North Korea!”
-Hitchens
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
Well, I’ll assume you’re an atheist simply for the exercise.
So you say, “There isn’t a one religion created by any sort of god. It’s man-made!”
Later you say, “Religion is/has been bloody”
You see the implication? Ultimately it’s a rant against man’s tendencies. Pretty much what Orion is saying.[/quote]
“I’ll assume you’re an atheist”
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That’s not the full sentence.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The christian heaven, if it did exist (which it more than likely does not), would be as Hitchens described it, as a “celestial North Korea”.
I’ll pass, thank you…[/quote]
Again. Banquets, hiking, and sex…not sure how that comes close to celestial North Korea.[/quote]
LOL…okay.
And god said “Let me save you from what I will do to you if you fail to worship me properly or with enough fervor”…ummmm, WTF?
#epicfail[/quote]
I don’t think God said that. But, I’m a terrible Catholic…so, awkward.
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
I’ll say this though, if there really was an Intelligent Designer, I would expect him to make human beings innately well meaning to begin with. I can’t speculate whether or not human beings would have been better with or without religion, but historical evidence tells us that religious dick swinging has been responsible(directly or indirectly) for some of the most horrific crimes, mass murders, genocides and oppression all over the world.
I don’t know if this fact is even refutable, since the Bible, specifically the Old Testament advocates slavery, selling your daughter, and other barbaric acts. (Deutoronomy, Exodus).[/quote]
" if there really was an Intelligent Designer"
I have gotta think he also would not have put the plumbing and the pleasure center in the same place… Intelligent my ass
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:I know exactly what to say to that - give it a rest. There isn’t a thread you won’t distract from with your jeremiad against the Catholic Church and your arrogant insistence on being the arbiter of everyone’s else religion and whether it “measures up”.
First rule of Christianity, Tirib - there is a God, and you aren’t him. So, enough.[/quote]Enough? Where do you get your rules of Christianity Thunderbolt? Is this YOU telling me “enough”? If so, why should I care? If that’s what you’re saying God says then by all means show me where. All you modernist biblical butchers love to beat up on me which I relish because it always tells me I’m the right track, but I NEVER seem to get any substance from you guys. These spitballs from the weeds are about as good as it usually gets.
BTW, don’t look now, but you are every bit as nauseatingly smug and arrogant as I am when it’s true and that’s saying something, I know full well. “Your just wrong” ain’t cuttin it friend. Show me where and why and I will publicly own it. I have. I gave you credit and you weren’t even tryin. Just think of all the good you could accomplish by shutting me up if you actually were.
In the meantime, “jeremiad” is another great word man. That’s two you made me look up now =] . I continue to be impressed. Not as impressed as I’d be if I could get you to into your gear in that epistemology thread though.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The christian heaven, if it did exist (which it more than likely does not), would be as Hitchens described it, as a “celestial North Korea”.
I’ll pass, thank you…[/quote]
Again. Banquets, hiking, and sex…not sure how that comes close to celestial North Korea.[/quote]
Okay…I’m paraphrasing.
LOL…okay.
And god said “Let me save you from what I will do to you if you fail to worship me properly or with enough fervor”…ummmm, WTF?
#epicfail[/quote]
I don’t think God said that. But, I’m a terrible Catholic…so, awkward.
[/quote]
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So how does this repenting thing work? If you don’t believe can you still fake repenting just in case you’ve been wrong your whole life?[/quote]
Am I sorry just because I say I am, or because I am?[/quote]
To clarify, sorry for what?[/quote]
You’re asking me? It’s your conscience to search. Otherwise, it’s a question that should serve to answer your own. If you’re not truly sorry (repentant), you’re not truly sorry. That’s not being sorry, just saying it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Dt546 wrote:
I dont believe me beliefs are important to the conversation. What is accepted as evidence shouldnt change based upon religious background, but unfortunately…
I was simply inquiring on if she could offer a logical explanation on why she thought human beings would still be barbaric, without religion.[/quote]
Well, I’ll assume you’re an atheist simply for the exercise.
So you say, “There isn’t a one religion created by any sort of god. It’s man-made!”
Later you say, “Religion is/has been bloody”
You see the implication? Ultimately it’s a rant against man’s tendencies. Pretty much what Orion is saying.[/quote]
“I’ll assume you’re an atheist”
[/quote]
That’s not the full sentence.[/quote]
Well, I came in here looking to hear other peoples point of view, but it looks like intelligent conversation is frowned upon here.