What I’m saying is that people like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda should be allowed to be seen as nothing other than people with a viewpoint.
Right. Michael Moore and Jane Fonda do not represent the democratic party whatever they might believe. Last time I checked, weren’t running for office. If they were, not many democrats would vote for them.
They do not officially “represent” the democratic party. However, when you have a party Chairman screaming that the war in Iraq is wrong it seems that they are both singing the same tune as the democratic party. And an association can be made!
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If you’re refering to Dean I have some issues with him too. However, he has publicly stated that he did not support getting involved in Iraq in the manner that we did. But being there, he does not think we should just pull out. We need to deal with the problems. I don’t think we can pull out just like that either.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
“Jeff, how would you define close-minded, extremist moron? Or do you just prefer to lead by example?”
Well, well, well.
Welcome to the party!!!
I haven’t noticed you before.
Would you like to add something to the discussion, or continue to act like the snot-nosed, little boy throwing rocks at the sun?
Let me know.
JeffR
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I simply have no idea what the point of your post was. It seems to be little more than drivel. I am not liberal. Those who are liberal, on this board and elsewhere, do not seem to agree with or support Jane Fonda. She has received very little public support. So…?
jerffy, it was 215 you gave me five pounds there. Anyway, I implore you to get the help you need before you hurt someone. I really don’t care if you hurt yourself at this point, but I see the very real danger of you losing it and hurting others… you need help!!![/quote]
Shortround:
215… Even better… HAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re already getting “help”! Time to ditch the needles and learn how to train and start taking the eating seriously!
(I had four high school wrestlers who had to cut to get to 215 last season…
HAAHAHAAHAHAHA!)
jerffy, it was 215 you gave me five pounds there. Anyway, I implore you to get the help you need before you hurt someone. I really don’t care if you hurt yourself at this point, but I see the very real danger of you losing it and hurting others… you need help!!!
Shortround:
215… Even better… HAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re already getting “help”! Time to ditch the needles and learn how to train and start taking the eating seriously!
(I had four high school wrestlers who had to cut to get to 215 last season…
HAAHAHAAHAHAHA!)[/quote]
jerffy, I didn’t realize, I held so much power over you. I am quite surprised. I had the power to make you regress into your latent repressed fifteen year old self. I wonder what I can make you say next?
Don’t be offering after school locker room wrestling lessons either. Judging from the state of your increasingly small, frustrated, and hostile posts, I wouldn’t be so sure you will be able to fend off your latent impulses.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I’d like to see where this discussion goes when no one has anything respectable to say about 'ol Jane.[/quote]
Of course it is likely that no one has anything respectable to say about 'ol Jane…the words "respectable and “Jane Fonda” do not exist in the same semantic universe.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Suggestion: Have a B-52 make one more “memorial” bombing flight over Hanoi… The payload? Jane’s sorry, worthless naked body. Despite the fact that she has the protected “freedom” to run her fat mouth she does not deserve to be allowed to draw breath in the United States atmosphere. She is as much a traitor as any in American history.[/quote]
Nice to see that freedom of speech and free expression is still dear to you.
What makes (made?) America great is that you ARE allowed to criticize the government; you ARE allowed to hold unpopular views and opinions. You have right of assembly and free speech, goddammit! You’d piss those away from spite?
The thing is, if you allow for her voice to be silenced, eventually you’ll have something you wish to protest against (unless you’re really a mindless sheep) and you’ll be silenced too.
Criticizing the government for what you (or others) feel is wrong is not un-american. It is not traitorous. Fuck man, it’s what distinguishes your country from facist regime, dictators and tyrants where speaking your mind WILL get you imprisoned, tortured or killed.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Vroom, don’t listen to dumbass, stay share your view.
Dumbass, even with your tat you don’t run the show here. [/quote]
Have you forgotten to take your midol again, elk?
Personal attacks with absolutely no attempt to do anything other than attack?
Must be that time of the month for you again. You can’t refute what I say, so you decide on personal attacks?
You my friend are a very sad example of why certain individuals shoud never attempt to sound smart. You would do best to just lift hard and allow your mind to settle on things you understand, like Spongebob cartoons, and the Cooking Channel.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Vroom, don’t listen to dumbass, stay share your view.
Dumbass, even with your tat you don’t run the show here.
Have you forgotten to take your midol again, elk?
Personal attacks with absolutely no attempt to do anything other than attack?
Must be that time of the month for you again. You can’t refute what I say, so you decide on personal attacks?
You my friend are a very sad example of why certain individuals shoud never attempt to sound smart. You would do best to just lift hard and allow your mind to settle on things you understand, like Spongebob cartoons, and the Cooking Channel.[/quote]
Dumbass, coming from you that little speech holds a lot of water… lots.
“You my friend are a very sad example of why certain individuals shoud never attempt to sound smart. You would do best to just lift hard and allow your mind to settle on things you understand, like Spongebob cartoons, and the Cooking Channel.”
Now THAT is world class verbal rapine.
e-hater, when I get smoked like that, I have the decency to applaud it.
If you can’t best him. Applaud.
Oh, one more thing, I agree with Cream, 215 on gear is pathetic.
(It’s fun to agree with all the voices in your head. Give it a try!!!)
“Dumbass, coming from you that little speech holds a lot of water… lots.”
NO!!! You posted this before my entreaty!!!
You proved my point. Not only did you respond, but your retort was as sickly as a guy running 215 on gear.
Too bad.
Not suprising.
Please give jane a call. Maybe you and she can sit in the back of the bus together and tell sad tales of the death of the democrats.
Everyone let’s chant, “George W. Bush is evil. Bush lied, passenger pigeons died. What’s the big deal about a blowjob? Halliburton and Cheney, sitting in a tree. The War was about OIL!!! George H.W. Bush rules the world!!! If you are born into money, you are a bad person!!! No one in Bush’s cabinet served in the military. If Bush isn’t running point, he cannot remove Saddam. hussein was no threat!!! Bush is dumb. kerry is smart. Only Republican Presidents have to have u.n. support. Rove beat us. He is evil!!! The higher the turnout, the more it favors the democratic party. No President picks up seats in an off-election year. George Bush has no coat-tails. If we recount the Florida election, kerry will win!!!”
JeffR: having fun at the democrats’ expense every damn day!!!
Come on everyone…Hanoi Jane is at it again…Jihad Jane now…there is no credibility here on her part…this is not about true political ideals…this is pure self promotion with everything based at the bottom of her pocket book…next will be her TV appearances and then her book and then on to her next exploitation of circumstances.
“You my friend are a very sad example of why certain individuals shoud never attempt to sound smart. You would do best to just lift hard and allow your mind to settle on things you understand, like Spongebob cartoons, and the Cooking Channel.”
Now THAT is a world class verbal rapine.
e-hater, when I get smoked like that, I have the decency to applaud it.
If you can’t best him. Applaud.
Oh, one more thing, I agree with Cream, 215 on gear is pathetic.
(It’s fun to agree with all the voices in your head. Give it a try!!!)
JeffR
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jerffy, you are pathetic, how old are you? And making up multiple fake identities! Thank God for the Internet are you would be stuck making prank phone calls.
jerffy, is that what you’re left with? You think you’re gonna shut me up because you make comments about me running gear and weighing 215. Yeah, that’s what I’d do if I was fifteen.
What gets me about you is not your physical stature, it’s the stature of your character. Very small and cowardly. You can’t come to terms with the fact that you are a blow hard sideline cheerleader (like dumbass) who doesn’t have the balls to take part in your epic battle of freedom.
I guess, I can understand how you would resort to calling me on my training history when faced with the reality of your spineless character.
“And making up multiple fake identities! Thank God for the Internet are you would be stuck making prank phone calls.”
e-hater, I’ve been playing along with the multiple identities thing. However, you sound as though you are serious about this. I’ll clear this up for you: I am special. I am me. I am one person. (Que your favorite self-help background music)
I suppose this must be your defense against the very real possibility that many people think you are not only wrongheaded but thoroughly uninspiring.
Elk - this is at least the third consecutive thread in which you posted absolutely nothing pertaining to the topic, or an honest tangent to the subject.
All you seem to do is wait for a right-winger to post something so you can attack them for being pathetic, or sad, or a racist, or a whole plethera of other names.
Why? Why can’t you focus on the topic instead of focusing on the posters?
I’ll be waiting for your oh-so-predictable retort, as staying on topic is near impossible for you to do.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Accusing people that don’t agree with you and your party of not having brains is a weak tactic. There are many naive and or outright dumb Democratic voters out there too.
Zap, you are sounding smarmier than I am usually accused of sounding.
In any case, you missed it. I wasn’t accusing people that don’t agree with “me or my party” of not having brains.
Completely backwards. Nice try though.[/quote]
Yet here is your quote:
“It’s a pile of horseshit and anybody with a brain can see that. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people without brains out there. So, with that sad reality, liberals need to act accordingly and aggressively to combat such tactics.”
If it isn’t the people that disagree with you that lack brains, is it the people that agree with you that lack brains?
Why don’t we stick to issues and leave the debate of who lacks brains to the kids.
If it isn’t the people that disagree with you that lack brains, is it the people that agree with you that lack brains?
Why don’t we stick to issues and leave the debate of who lacks brains to the kids.[/quote]
What? Half of society seems to “lack brains”. Remember the ephedra hysteria? How about the on going failed War on Drugs that actually still gets support? Please. You can jump in your car and find out within 15 seconds that not everyone is playing with a full deck.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elk - this is at least the third consecutive thread in which you posted absolutely nothing pertaining to the topic, or an honest tangent to the subject.
All you seem to do is wait for a right-winger to post something so you can attack them for being pathetic, or sad, or a racist, or a whole plethera of other names.
Why? Why can’t you focus on the topic instead of focusing on the posters?
I’ll be waiting for your oh-so-predictable retort, as staying on topic is near impossible for you to do.[/quote]
You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the displeasure of running into. You call people names and then accuse them of it among many other things you cry incessantly about.
To respond to your request about the topic I feel about Jane Fonda the way I feel about you and jerffy, she is a pathetic, ignorant, opportunist, dumbass.