Funny we can keep coming up with taxes from every direction and pounding it to Americans, but we can’t do anything about the illegal citizen issues. One that California is getting destroyed by as they keep increasing taxes on all fronts and losing tax payers and businesses at an alarming rate.
I hear California is also toying with an idea of capping income like France does. So, over a certain designated dollar amount, 100% of that money over will go directly to government coffers.
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I hear California is also toying with an idea of capping income like France does. So, over a certain designated dollar amount, 100% of that money over will go directly to government coffers.[/quote]
I don’t know much about California but there is no income cap in France.
Except for the players of the “Ligue Francaise de Rugby” and the CEOs of some state-owned companies.
[quote]kamui wrote:
Actually, not entirely true. There were many people paying 75-100% tax rates
[quote]kamui wrote:
http://citizensjournal.us/california-legislature-wants-47-corporate-tax-increase-cap-on-ceo-pay/
Cap on CEO pay mainly in medical related fields, but do you think they will honestly stop there? Please.
There is also an oil extraction tax proposal, on top of the Vehicle Miles Traveled Tax.
Then there is making the Prop 30 tax increase permanent, which was promised to be temporary.
There is no stop. It’s nothing but tax increases. They have tried it all, and we have to keep beating them down. Carbon taxes, rain taxes, fire taxes, mattress taxes, property tax increases, sales tax hike, higher gas taxes, $250 tickets for jaywalking, increased car registration fees, tuition rates going through the roof.
If you want to know how we got to that ^ , it was by implementing most of the Liberal ideas that give the Feds a hard on. Massive Union perks, conditions inviting welfare, punitive tax and regulatory environment, infrastructure spending, and on and on and on.
I guess it’s not surprising through, how else are you going to pay off a total state debt of $778 Billion.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There is also an oil extraction tax proposal, on top of the Vehicle Miles Traveled Tax.
Then there is making the Prop 30 tax increase permanent, which was promised to be temporary.
There is no stop. It’s nothing but tax increases. They have tried it all, and we have to keep beating them down. Carbon taxes, rain taxes, fire taxes, mattress taxes, property tax increases, sales tax hike, higher gas taxes, $250 tickets for jaywalking, increased car registration fees, tuition rates going through the roof.
If you want to know how we got to that ^ , it was by implementing most of the Liberal ideas that give the Feds a hard on. Massive Union perks, conditions inviting welfare, punitive tax and regulatory environment, infrastructure spending, and on and on and on.
I guess it’s not surprising through, how else are you going to pay off a total state debt of $778 Billion.
And as businesses and tax payers keep fleeing the state like it has the plague…
Well it kind of does have the plague, plague of taxation.
It’s quicksand.
As you sink, you start to struggle, which makes you sink faster.
We are now in a downward spiral where the parasite is outgrowing the host.
The elephant in the room is the government is tracking you. I don’t care about taxes, I care about being tracked. It’s none of their business where I go or what I do. I don’t care about the ‘assurances’ against misuse, it will get misused.
It sucks that we cannot use a wonderful tool like GPS without having to be worried about who’s watching. I’ll stack this on top of the thousands of reasons I hate California. Freedom encroachment starts in California. This is 1984. This is no better than the Soviet Union.
We’re worried about taxes? That’s the big problem here? Taxes are the least of my problems with this program.
[quote]pat wrote:
The elephant in the room is the government is tracking you. I don’t care about taxes, I care about being tracked. It’s none of their business where I go or what I do. I don’t care about the ‘assurances’ against misuse, it will get misused. [/quote]
This. This right here. I will never consent to a GPS tracking tax, or to any tracking whatsoever taxed or non-taxed.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The elephant in the room is the government is tracking you. I don’t care about taxes, I care about being tracked. It’s none of their business where I go or what I do. I don’t care about the ‘assurances’ against misuse, it will get misused. [/quote]
This. This right here. I will never consent to a GPS tracking tax, or to any tracking whatsoever taxed or non-taxed.[/quote]
Haha. I just never mentioned it b/c I thought it was obvious and probably deserved it’s own thread :).
But yes, that to me is much more concerning than the tax.
I think if they really try to push this idea, there will be hell in the streets. I don’t think people will settle for it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think if they really try to push this idea, there will be hell in the streets. I don’t think people will settle for it. [/quote]
Perhaps I am a bit more cynical, but I think people will just take it in the ass and everybody against it will be labeled right wing nuts. I just see people with a lot of trust… ‘Well as long as they don’t use it for anything bad I guess it will be alright’ ← That’s the attitude I see. It’s partially why I am sick to death of politics. It feels like trying to swim up a waterfall.
The protection in this country has lulled people to sleep. We’re so convinced that ‘It can’t happen here’, that what put Miley Cyrus in the hospital is a headline, and things like the kidnappings in Nigeria are a byline. People need to wake up, but they won’t wake up.
The shit the media portrays as shit we care about are such irrelevant things, I surprised people have the energy to give a shit about things like that. So yeah, the government will track us and very few will care enough to do something about it.
Case in point: Right now at this very moment this is the headline top story on CNN:
Do we seriously give a shit about some show on HGTV that this should be a headline? This being a headline is a prime example of what’s wrong with people in this country. Who the hell watches HGTV anyway?
The government is already working towards tracking commercial trucks in real time.
http://www.rmtracking.com/blog/2012/12/15/follow-that-truck-gps-guides-commercial-trucking/
It is just a matter of time before it tracks all vehicles in real time, and it can already track you if you use something like onstar or have a phone with GPS on if it wants to.
Here’s another example of how petty and stupid we are:
Seriously? This was so worth giving a shit about that they assembled a panel?
So do I think Americans will allow themselves the be tracked? Yup.
We’re already on camera everywhere we go every store and restaurant, anywhere you go, you are on camera. Next time you go somewhere, just look up. See how many cameras there are watching you. They watch you eat, they watch you shop, they watch you watching a movie, They watch you drive, they watch you everywhere. Does anybody protest? Not really.
So we are already watched and we have our phones and communications monitored. What’s adding a little GPS tracking? We’ve given up this freedom a while ago and most likely don’t even realize it.
I’m convinced the concept of privacy as we used to understand it just a few years ago is already dead.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The government is already working towards tracking commercial trucks in real time.
http://www.rmtracking.com/blog/2012/12/15/follow-that-truck-gps-guides-commercial-trucking/
It is just a matter of time before it tracks all vehicles in real time, and it can already track you if you use something like onstar or have a phone with GPS on if it wants to.[/quote]
That’s why, when I bought my car I was happy it didn’t have the technology package on it, even though the tech pack has some really cool features I would like to have, but it also puts you on the grid.
I would like to have the ‘track apps’ option. It’s pretty cool, it can track you 0-60 times,1/4 mile times, lateral and horizontal g-forces, even your cylinder head temps. It would be nice to have them, but it’s connected with Ford Sync and puts me on the grid. I’d rather not be on the grid…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The government is already working towards tracking commercial trucks in real time.
http://www.rmtracking.com/blog/2012/12/15/follow-that-truck-gps-guides-commercial-trucking/
It is just a matter of time before it tracks all vehicles in real time, and it can already track you if you use something like onstar or have a phone with GPS on if it wants to.[/quote]
That’s why, when I bought my car I was happy it didn’t have the technology package on it, even though the tech pack has some really cool features I would like to have, but it also puts you on the grid.
I would like to have the ‘track apps’ option. It’s pretty cool, it can track you 0-60 times,1/4 mile times, lateral and horizontal g-forces, even your cylinder head temps. It would be nice to have them, but it’s connected with Ford Sync and puts me on the grid. I’d rather not be on the grid… [/quote]
Every car made now has a black-box data collector and they have for a while. They keep its capabilities pretty much on the QT, but the government and the manufacturers use it to analyze crash data. I’d be surprised if by now it wasn’t tracking every move you make in very sophisticated ways.
Also, although I am not sure, I bet the only thing purchasing the “track apps” option does is let you access it; it is probably still in the car and keeping you on the grid. I know that the only thing that happens when you don’t pay for onstar is you can’t use it, but they are still receiving the data and they can reactivate it at the push of a button.
[quote]pat wrote:
The elephant in the room is the government is tracking you. I don’t care about taxes, I care about being tracked. It’s none of their business where I go or what I do. I don’t care about the ‘assurances’ against misuse, it will get misused.
It sucks that we cannot use a wonderful tool like GPS without having to be worried about who’s watching. I’ll stack this on top of the thousands of reasons I hate California. Freedom encroachment starts in California. This is 1984. This is no better than the Soviet Union.
We’re worried about taxes? That’s the big problem here? Taxes are the least of my problems with this program.[/quote]
The only reason I didn’t bring it up is simply because I don’t think it’s really feasible right now. Or ever for that matter. It’s easy to disable this stuff and there are a lot of old cars and trucks on the road.
james
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The government is already working towards tracking commercial trucks in real time.
http://www.rmtracking.com/blog/2012/12/15/follow-that-truck-gps-guides-commercial-trucking/
It is just a matter of time before it tracks all vehicles in real time, and it can already track you if you use something like onstar or have a phone with GPS on if it wants to.[/quote]
That’s why, when I bought my car I was happy it didn’t have the technology package on it, even though the tech pack has some really cool features I would like to have, but it also puts you on the grid.
I would like to have the ‘track apps’ option. It’s pretty cool, it can track you 0-60 times,1/4 mile times, lateral and horizontal g-forces, even your cylinder head temps. It would be nice to have them, but it’s connected with Ford Sync and puts me on the grid. I’d rather not be on the grid… [/quote]
Every car made now has a black-box data collector and they have for a while. They keep its capabilities pretty much on the QT, but the government and the manufacturers use it to analyze crash data. I’d be surprised if by now it wasn’t tracking every move you make in very sophisticated ways.
Also, although I am not sure, I bet the only thing purchasing the “track apps” option does is let you access it; it is probably still in the car and keeping you on the grid. I know that the only thing that happens when you don’t pay for onstar is you can’t use it, but they are still receiving the data and they can reactivate it at the push of a button.
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Well it only stores 30 seconds of data and is not accessible unless you connect directly to it with “special tools” designed to analyze it. It cannot be accessed by vehicle computers and it’s not ‘on the grid’. That or the owners manual is totally lying to me, which is always a possibility. I wonder if there is a way to disconnect it? I reckon they designed the car not to operate without it.
True you have to pay for ‘Sync’ services, but the tech pack does have the GPS which my car does not have. So I am not as easily trackable. If somebody is really interested in tracking me, I am sure they’d have no problem doing so, but I am pretty boring. I don’t sell government secrets, I am not a drug mule or a spy, I don’t even go out to eat all that much. I do speed from time to time. But I don’t invade anybodies privacy and I don’t want anybody to invade mine whether I am boring or not.