CA Gas Prices Soar Overnight

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion to see the whole profit of shell oil would be such a major undertaking it would not fit in one book let alone 1 paragraph . You would have to look at Gross profits and every line of expenditures to see the true profit[/quote]

If only public compaines had to compile their financial information into statements, and if only we had professionals that audited those statements to vouch for their accuracy…

Oh what a world we would live in.

Imagine[/quote]

you guys are the greatest thanks :slight_smile:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
That was well said James, unfortunately though you are wrong.

The price of gasoline would drop over night if the socialist and chief even announced that we would begin massive drilling.

Know why jimbo?

Because markets are driven by one word…“expectations”.

Go figure huh?[/quote]

Sorta. Let’s not forget that we are not the only country demanding fuel. Not to mention that we are going to have a limited supply of summer blended fuel as we have a pretty limited number of refineries given the size of our market. Think of a fireplace that’s small and trying to heat a big house. The answer isn’t going to be to put more wood in there because it can’t burn it. You need more fireplaces.

There might be a sudden drop in prices due to speculation but I bet it would quickly go right up again as demand increases. Just a guess though.

james
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The US uses about 20% of the worlds oil. Drilling would bring prices down for a number of reasons. Having this conversation is actually foolish.

Why don’t you disagree with me on something else?

This is a no brainer Jimbo!

I’m James not Jimbo.

I disagree with you because supply of crude oil is NOT responsible for CA gas prices. We use a summer blend here during the summer (duh) and that’s in short supply. Now, if we had a bunch more refineries then we could increase supply which would help drive down costs.

And no, I still don’t think that just simply drilling for more crude is not necessarily going to lower our prices. But you are correct in that it’s not a discussion worth having right now.

james

[quote]tmay11 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion to see the whole profit of shell oil would be such a major undertaking it would not fit in one book let alone 1 paragraph . You would have to look at Gross profits and every line of expenditures to see the true profit[/quote]

If only public compaines had to compile their financial information into statements, and if only we had professionals that audited those statements to vouch for their accuracy…

Oh what a world we would live in.

Imagine[/quote]

Thank you beans.

Pitt, what you are saying is exactly what is done.

Return on assets, return on equity etc. are just different ways of looking at the same thing. You seem to be suggesting that you would have to “add” them together to get some sort of “true profit” figure. This is very bizarre and shows just how far outside any area of expertise of yours you are when discussing this.

That you’re unaware (or were) that public companies compile public statements is also very telling.

Net Income = Total Sales - Total expenditures

Profit margin = Net Income/Sales

Return on Equity = Net Income/Equity

For the last 12 months Shell had net income of 26B. They had sales of 476B. 26/476 = 5.5%

Return on Assets was 7%, Return on Equity was 15 %. That doesn’t in any way change their profit margin though…

Here is a link to their 2011 Annual report in PDF.

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I wonder how you knew I did not know what a ratio was ?

pittbulll wrote:
some proof please and how much time is that investment for if it is a day (That’s pretty fucking good) if it’s for a year ( not so good )

Ummm…you do know how ratios work, don’t you?

That percentage is total return on investment regardless of how long the period is measured over.

Obviously, total revenue over one day is much less than revenue over a year.
that was a conversation between lifty and me on page 2

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings
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We use ratios to help us audit and review financial information all the time.

And yes, the correct ratio will give you their earnings relative to some other factor.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings
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We use ratios to help us audit and review financial information all the time.

And yes, the correct ratio will give you their earnings relative to some other factor.[/quote]

I am sure the IRS excepts ratios for return purposes

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings
[/quote]

We use ratios to help us audit and review financial information all the time.

And yes, the correct ratio will give you their earnings relative to some other factor.[/quote]

I am sure the IRS excepts ratios for return purposes [/quote]

Well seeing as we send in tax returns to the IRS, it really doesn’t matter what we do on audit and reviews.

We have to follow GAAS (Generally Accepted Auditing Standards) to audit GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) financial statements.

Tax returns are not audits, and shouldn’t be relied on as such. However if your company is large enough, and you do get a yearly audit, you must show your balance sheet at GAAP on your return.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings
[/quote]

We use ratios to help us audit and review financial information all the time.

And yes, the correct ratio will give you their earnings relative to some other factor.[/quote]

I am sure the IRS excepts ratios for return purposes [/quote]

Well seeing as we send in tax returns to the IRS, it really doesn’t matter what we do on audit and reviews.

We have to follow GAAS (Generally Accepted Auditing Standards) to audit GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) financial statements.

Tax returns are not audits, and shouldn’t be relied on as such. However if your company is large enough, and you do get a yearly audit, you must show your balance sheet at GAAP on your return.
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HOLY SHIT , you know more about the tax code than I < who’ld of thunk it

^ Fuckin’ Arizonans man :slight_smile:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
^ Fuckin’ Arizonans man :)[/quote]

were called Zonies :slight_smile:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am no expert but I am guessing a Ratio was designed for an investment tool , not a statement of earnings
[/quote]

We use ratios to help us audit and review financial information all the time.

And yes, the correct ratio will give you their earnings relative to some other factor.[/quote]

I am sure the IRS excepts ratios for return purposes [/quote]

Well seeing as we send in tax returns to the IRS, it really doesn’t matter what we do on audit and reviews.

We have to follow GAAS (Generally Accepted Auditing Standards) to audit GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) financial statements.

Tax returns are not audits, and shouldn’t be relied on as such. However if your company is large enough, and you do get a yearly audit, you must show your balance sheet at GAAP on your return.
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HOLY SHIT , you know more about the tax code than I < who’ld of thunk it
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The whole GAAS/GAAP statement has much less to do with the tax code and much more to do with the financial statements, which is where all the ratio talk is coming from.