Bush's Fault?

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
freemark wrote:

The reason is that their position on the real argument, whether or not Bush failed as our national leader and whether or not he shares blame for the piss poor response to the aftermath of Katrina, is almost impossible to defend.

Maybe you should re-read what I’ve posted. I’ve never said Bush is without blame. My point has been that the majority (80%+) lies with the mayor and the governor. If they weren’t incompetent, their need for federal assistance would have been significantly less, and we wouldn’t even be talking about Bush. And it’s just that: federal ASSISTANCE. The primary responsibility lies with local gov’t. The reason so many of us think you’re an idiot is because you are trying to blame Bush for the entire thing, which makes you, well, an idiot.
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As my post indicated I don’t blame Bush for the entire thing. I don’t even blame him for the majority. I just believe he shares some of the blame as indicated in my post. Since I don’t blame him for the entire thing according to you I am not an idiot. Your recourse to name calling does show your mental weakness. Its the equivalent of clinching in boxing.

Now you can keep calling me and others names if you want. But since name calling is generally used by those of weak minds…well I guess you will just keep name calling.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Day. You wrote, “days before Katrina struck” as if they knew it was going to hit NO days in advance. This is false. The news didn’t project it hitting NO until late Saturday. The order to evacuate was given Sunday morning.
President Bush declared a state of emergency Sat. AM, Katrina made landfall 8 AM Mon. By my count, that’s 2 days. Unless of course the mayor screwed around and didn’t order the evacuation until Sun AM.
Oh wait, I think you just made my point for me. Thank you.

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What source are you using? Take a look at this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050907/STORMFEMA07/TPInternational/Americas

Mind you, this is how I remember it as well considering I was watching the news regularly from Saturday until the storm hit. How is it all of a sudden he declared it on saturday morning? Maybe I’m wrong, however…

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/

I was able to find one source that claimed the State of Emergency was given on saturday;

Congressman John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this letter:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrat_calls_on_Congressional_Research_Service_to_reviewlaw_around_disaster__0907.html

Making this statement

[quote]My own review of the facts and law indicates the following:

*

  The Stafford Act, the relevant statute concerning natural disaster relief, provides that "[a]ll requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State."4 The Act goes on to specify that such a request is "a prerequisite to major [federal] disaster assistance" and details various information which is to be included in such a request.5
*

  On Saturday, August 27 and Sunday, August 28, Gov. Kathleen Blanco wrote to President Bush requesting that the president "declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina." The letters reference the Stafford Act and itemize the severity and magnitude of Hurricane Katrina and specifically requests federal assistance.6
*

  On Saturday, August 27, President Bush issued a Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana. He "declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana" and by its terms "authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency to the local population." The White House statement also references the provisions of the Stafford Act.7

*The DHS website provides that "in the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or other large scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort."8

For your convenience, I have attached copies of all of the above materials to this letter.

In my judgment, it would appear to be relatively straightforward that the Governor’s letter, combined with the declaration by President Bush granted DHS and FEMA full and complete authority to respond to Hurricane Katrina and to provide necessary aid and assistance to Louisiana and the other affected States. However, it would be extremely helpful if you could confirm to me whether or not I am reading the law correctly.[/quote]

This statement, however, leads me to question why Gov. Kathleen Blanco would need to write to President Bush requesting that the president “declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina” on SUNDAY if he had already given it on SATURDAY?

I mean, am I the only one questioning why events seem to be getting mixed up lately (conveniently)?

Not only that, but if this letter is completely true and we disregard the fact that the governor needed to request TWICE for assistance, we can’t overlook this:

which would put FEMA and this administration at fault and not the local government in New Orleans.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
freemark wrote:
I just love the “straw man” arguments from Reddog, Zap, elevationgain, and others in the Bush Worship Brigade. You keep claiming that Bush did not cause Katrina. Well glory be and praise the lord; you are right. So I guess you win the argument. Oh wait. Since no one this forum has actually claimed Bush caused Katrina your arguments are worthless and do not apply. But thanks for playing.

The Bush Worship Brigade’s arguments, unlike New Orleans, don’t hold water. So why do they put such an obvious “straw man” out there. The reason is that their position on the real argument, whether or not Bush failed as our national leader and whether or not he shares blame for the piss poor response to the aftermath of Katrina, is almost impossible to defend.

Just because you can spell it properly does not mean that you should be using “straw man” in sentences.

In fact, your attempts to lump everyone yuou disagree with into one big organism, and then create an argument that hardly anyone has made on this thread is the “straw man”.

I think you are living proof that ABBers look at this disaster as yet another chance to bash Bush. It’s all you can see.

Too bad America sees your pitiful attempts, and will vote even more Dems out of congress in 14 months. Just hide and watch through your beady little ABB eyes. [/quote]

This is a natural disaster. It is wrong to pin the blame on anyone for a natural disaster.
ZapBranigan

Are we blaming presidents Carter and Reagan for the Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980?
Nope.
Elevationgain

Of course it is Bush’s fault. He diverted the hurricane to stop all those refineries, and boost oil prices even further.
TheMage

And please notice I didn’t say ALL of you in the BWB. Sorry if you felt as a card carrying member of the BWB that my saying others meant all.

Prof

Why is it so important to you to affix as much blame as possible on Bush and his administration?

There was aprox 36 hours of official notice given to those to evacuate and that was only because of the persistance of Bush towards the Gov.

The mayor then announce a non-mandatory mandatory evacuation. Knowing the situation a full 24 hours ahead of time he doesn’t enact the full evacuation plan and leaves those that can’t get out with no gov’t assisted means to do so.

No supplies or security are prearranged at sites of last refuge for the mases left behind.

A full 2 days pass before the Gov. defera to the feds for help.

Bush fails to respond accordingly and his lack of leadership is deplorable.

This is not a political issue and yet it has become a lightning rod for the ABBers to attack the President. Why are those same people not disgusted with the local gov’t. Oh yah–then the race card couldn’t be played and we couldn’t exploit a true nationa tragedy for purely political posturing.

There is plenty of blame to go around. I feel the gamesmanship is not appropriate.

[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Prof

Why is it so important to you to affix as much blame as possible on Bush and his administration?

This is not a political issue and yet it has become a lightning rod for the ABBers to attack the President. Why are those same people not disgusted with the local gov’t. Oh yah–then the race card couldn’t be played and we couldn’t exploit a true nationa tragedy for purely political posturing.

There is plenty of blame to go around. I feel the gamesmanship is not appropriate. [/quote]

You can keep telling yourself that this isn’t politics, but I think deep down, everyone involved knows that is not the case.

Upside? I am amazed at how Texas has responded to the tragedy. If any state needs to be individually recognized, I think it needs to be that one. Kids that were displaced are expecte3d to be able to attend schools and enroll tomorrow morning with buses picking them up and coordinating drop offs.

Upside? The overall national response has been amazing. People are giving when they can. The New York Fire Fighters have jumped in and, despite the horror of finding thousands of bodies beneath the water, I think in the end an overall sense of positivity will show that the majority of people do care for others in this country…despite those who claim, “those who stayed were stupid”.

Downside? The initial response was too damn slow and no one is going to let that slide. No one is just going to blame the local government because, as has been explained multiple times, if the governor requested a state of emergency, FEMA would be the first to blame in this situation FOR THE DELAYED RESPONSE. That doesn’t mean that the local officals are blameless. Questions from, “why weren’t buses used?” to “just how long were local officials going to put off impending doom?” are coming from every side. However, one fact that many will not pass up is the president’s college friend’s roommate that many gave consent to for that position, and the apparent “distance” of the president during the inital tragedy and as people suffered.

Yes, this is politics. You might as well get used to it.

[quote]freemark wrote:
This is a natural disaster. It is wrong to pin the blame on anyone for a natural disaster.
ZapBranigan

Are we blaming presidents Carter and Reagan for the Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980?
Nope.
Elevationgain

Of course it is Bush’s fault. He diverted the hurricane to stop all those refineries, and boost oil prices even further.
TheMage

And please notice I didn’t say ALL of you in the BWB. Sorry if you felt as a card carrying member of the BWB that my saying others meant all.[/quote]

It would be nice if, instead of seeing how many times you can write “straw man” in on post. you could identify sarcasm when it runs smack over you. Two of your three quotes was obvious sarcasm.

And FYI - there are those in your camp that blame the uncommonly busy hurricane season on global warming. And we all know who is to blame for that. At least ABBers know who to blame. Don’t you?

my man slim. no this cant be bushes fault. he only has more than half of this countrys millitary in iraq. now i am in the millitary. that is why i know how many people are over there and what they are doing. dont get me wronge we have to do what we do over there to stop anything like 9/11 from ever happening again. but from what i did over there. and from talking to army navey and airforce and mariens he could stand to send some of these people back home. the guard and reseve are stretched so thin righ now there was no one left to send to N.O. we sent people from our base here in texas just to help. and by doing that have cut our man power in half. so now we are bring in people from other feilds to work. but its not his fault he has the troops spead out too thin.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
WMD wrote:
…something like this was inevitable given the city is built below sea level. Maybe pure human stupidity is to blame.

I shudder to think of the fallout that this will cause, but - I agree 100% with you on this, WMD.

No one seems willing to discuss the fact that the city’s elevation is anywhere from -8 feet to -22 feet. Or the fact that some of the levies in place are attempting to restrain the the mouth of the largest river in North America. Or the fact that the rest of the levies are attempting to hem in the second largest saltwater lake in the the country.

I don’t think that the President can be blamed for the level of human ignorance displayed in NOLA. [/quote]

I’m a bit shocked and amazed that RJ and I agree on something, but seriously, NOLA was gonna be toast the next time a big storm hit it. It was a great city but when people build cities below sea level or on the sides of active volcanoes or something like that, eventually you’re gonna get a big disaster. The Feds do have a responsibility to the people and I’d really like to know what took so damn long with the relief efforts but I just can’t go along with blaming Dubya for every damn thing that goes wrong in the world or in our country.

That’s not to say he’s not responsible for what he’s done, anymore than Clinton can be let off the hook for his mistakes. But NOLA is not his fault.

WMD

[quote]rainjack wrote:
freemark wrote:
And we all know who is to blame for that. At least ABBers know who to blame. Don’t you?[/quote]

I’m going with El Nino…and all the gas produced by people on the V-Diet.

(Sorry this keyboard doesn’t have the ~ over the “n”)

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Does anyone feel safer now that we’ve witnessed the Fed Gov’t in action during a state of emergency? [/quote]

I pretty much decided not to rely on any governmental agency for my well being a long time ago, but I’m a self-reliant girl by nature. So I’ve taken precautions and made what preparations I can and if I’m told to evac, well, I’m making tracks. Although, I have to say, central Texas generally seems to get spared the worst of things. Knock on wood…

WMD

[quote]daMOJO wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
An Irate Soldier’s Open Letter Regarding George W. Bush

“If you’re not pissed off, you’re not paying attention.”

Michelle J. d’Entremont
2LT, US Army Reserves
Engineer Corps

Oh, and a 2ndLT in the f*cking Army Reserve. Lemme tell you something missy… I pick 2ndLTs out of my shit every day.
All ya are is a mindless, wet-behind-the-ears, post cadet who should’ve joined Green Peace instead of the military.
That is all.

-daMOJO-

[/quote]

Wait, are you my Sergeant Major!? Why didn’t you divert the hurricane?

(Thinking happy thoughts now…)

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
vroom wrote:

When he’s off the script, he just says random crap and almost always ends up with both feet in his mouth. He’s a buffoon.

How embarrassing to have someone like that as your top representative to the world.

Or it could be that’s just the way the popular media portrays him. Talk, listen, or read about people who have actually spoken to him face to face. Everything I’ve heard he’s a very articulate & thoughtful guy. Or, you can believe what you see on CNN.

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Come on. Not the ‘liberal media bias’ myth again. Bush is what he is. We see him on TV so much, we get an accurate picture. If he was someone we had only seen a few times, we could wonder whether we are getting the true man. But not the world’s most famous and filmed man. The media is not ‘framing’ him as a buffoon. If he appears a buffoon, it is because he is so.

Gee, imagine how shitty the response if they hadn’t ALREADY PREPARED for it.

Hurricane Pam Exercise Concludes
July 23, 2004

BATON ROUGE, La. – Hurricane Pam brought sustained winds of 120 mph, up to 20 inches of rain in parts of southeast Louisiana and storm surge that topped levees in the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings. Emergency officials from 50 parish, state, federal and volunteer organizations faced this scenario during a five-day exercise held this week at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge.

The exercise used realistic weather and damage information developed by the National Weather Service, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the LSU Hurricane Center and other state and federal agencies to help officials develop joint response plans for a catastrophic hurricane in Louisiana.

“We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts,” said Ron Castleman, FEMA Regional Director. “Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies.”

“Hurricane planning in Louisiana will continue,” said Colonel Michael L. Brown, Deputy Director for Emergency Preparedness, Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. “Over the next 60 days, we will polish the action plans developed during the Hurricane Pam exercise. We have also determined where to focus our efforts in the future.” [image management apparently]

On March 1, 2003, FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. FEMA’s continuing mission within the new department is to lead the effort to prepare the nation for all hazards and effectively manage federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates proactive mitigation activities, trains first responders, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration.

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051

By “polish the action plans” I wonder if they meant that literally? As in, we had the action plans engraved on a beautiful brass plaque and then we POLISHED them.

Since the word “polish” is often used to infer improvement toward a state of perfection, one might at first be tempted to think in this case “polish the action plans” meant to improve them.

Obviously there’s a big shiny plaque laying around somewhere.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Where do you come up with 80% of the blame is with local and state? To quote such and unmeasurable number is…how shall I say…LAME.

It’s my OPINION

Futhermore, you have no idea what accountablity means. Mr. Bush is in charge of the federal government which means he is to blame for all of the federal governments failings. He is the one who either directly or indirectly influences the outcome of situations wether it be by appointing incompetant people to public office or by sitting on his thumb while people are dying. I don’t think now is the time for people to be assesing who is at fault–clearly, things went wrong all the way around and Mr. Bush is trying to belay the heat of this “Clusterfuck” he call’s an “Outstanding Job”.
Ok, let me try one last time. If the local gov’t were even marginally competent, the federal gov’t would have had much less of a role (the way it’s supposed to work). Instead they sat on their thumbs in the days before Katrina stuck, and that’s why people died.

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Where are all the resources for this “rescue” supposed to come from? 100% (since you like percentages so much) of the local infrastructure was destroyed. If what you say is true then why does FEMA and DoHS exist? To absorb the surplus tax dollars that Bush just can’t seem to get rid of with the war and tax cuts? You need to sit down and think a little bit more before you answer such questions.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I think it is important to keep in mind the resources available to each level of government.

A state is only able to mobilize resources controlled at the state level.

A city is only able to mobilize resources controlled at the municipal level. [/quote] like 2000 parked school buses?[quote]

The federal government is the entity that has the power to move heaven and earth, commanding the resources of the nation to take action when needed.[/quote] Yea, right… [quote]

By now, it should be clear that there were problems all over the place. It’s silly to say Bush deserves all the blame, but it also silly to say he deserves no blame.[/quote]
Finally, a reasonable statement.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What source are you using? Take a look at this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050907/STORMFEMA07/TPInternational/Americas

Anticipating Katrina’s impact, Mr. Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Sunday, a day before the storm hit. “Then, there was a black hole for five days. I don’t understand it,” Mr. Lindell said, noting that until last Friday, the federal response seemed scattered and unfocused.

Mind you, this is how I remember it as well considering I was watching the news regularly from Saturday until the storm hit. How is it all of a sudden he declared it on saturday morning? Maybe I’m wrong, however…

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city.

I was able to find one source that claimed the State of Emergency was given on saturday;

Congressman John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this letter:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrat_calls_on_Congressional_Research_Service_to_reviewlaw_around_disaster__0907.html

Making this statement
My own review of the facts and law indicates the following:

*

  The Stafford Act, the relevant statute concerning natural disaster relief, provides that "[a]ll requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State."4 The Act goes on to specify that such a request is "a prerequisite to major [federal] disaster assistance" and details various information which is to be included in such a request.5
*

  On Saturday, August 27 and Sunday, August 28, Gov. Kathleen Blanco wrote to President Bush requesting that the president "declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina." The letters reference the Stafford Act and itemize the severity and magnitude of Hurricane Katrina and specifically requests federal assistance.6
*

  On Saturday, August 27, President Bush issued a Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana. He "declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana" and by its terms "authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency to the local population." The White House statement also references the provisions of the Stafford Act.7

*The DHS website provides that "in the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or other large scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort."8

For your convenience, I have attached copies of all of the above materials to this letter.

In my judgment, it would appear to be relatively straightforward that the Governor’s letter, combined with the declaration by President Bush granted DHS and FEMA full and complete authority to respond to Hurricane Katrina and to provide necessary aid and assistance to Louisiana and the other affected States. However, it would be extremely helpful if you could confirm to me whether or not I am reading the law correctly.

This statement, however, leads me to question why Gov. Kathleen Blanco would need to write to President Bush requesting that the president “declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina” on SUNDAY if he had already given it on SATURDAY?

I mean, am I the only one questioning why events seem to be getting mixed up lately (conveniently)?

Not only that, but if this letter is completely true and we disregard the fact that the governor needed to request TWICE for assistance, we can’t overlook this:
In my judgment, it would appear to be relatively straightforward that the Governor’s letter, combined with the declaration by President Bush granted DHS and FEMA full and complete authority to respond to Hurricane Katrina and to provide necessary aid and assistance to Louisiana and the other affected States.

which would put FEMA and this administration at fault and not the local government in New Orleans.
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My bad, he actually declared it Friday the 26th giving them 3 days.

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

September 04, 2005
KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 26
Afternoon
“Governor Blanco declares a State of Emergency for all of Louisiana. The President also issues a State of Emergency declaration and directs DHS and FEMA to coordinate disaster relief efforts.”

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Where are all the resources for this “rescue” supposed to come from? 100% (since you like percentages so much) of the local infrastructure was destroyed. If what you say is true then why does FEMA and DoHS exist? To absorb the surplus tax dollars that Bush just can’t seem to get rid of with the war and tax cuts? You need to sit down and think a little bit more before you answer such questions.[/quote]

It wasn’t destroyed three day before Katrina made landfall. Which is my entire fing point! They could have saved lives. The fed gov’t didn’t get involved until after the levees broke, and by then it was a little too late. The local gov’t fed up, and then they (& you) cry because the federal gov’t is inefficient at bailing thier asses out. Well no shit, our federal gov’t is inefficient. There’s a news flash.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

…the local infrastructure was destroyed. If what you say is true then why does FEMA and DoHS exist? To absorb the surplus tax dollars that Bush just can’t seem to get rid of with the war and tax cuts? You need to sit down and think a little bit more before you answer such questions.[/quote]

To answer this question, I reference you to an interview Brit Hume did with Major Garrett on Fox last night:

[i]Fox News’ Brit Hume: First, the focus of all of the attention has been FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency, what is FEMA?

Fox News’ Major Garrett: Federal Emergency Management Agency, 2,500 full time employees, 4,000 stand by employees. The mission statement very simple: prepare, respond, help, recover, reduce risk. How does it do it? By coordinating with state and local entities and other groups The Salvation Army, Red Cross, dedicated to helping the needy when disaster strikes.

Hume: So FEMA is relatively, it isn’t very labor intensive it mostly works through other agencies?

Garrett: It works through other agencies. But it has been moved into the Department of Homeland Security. And in this crisis, It is a bit a victim of its own bureaucratic boastfulness. Earlier this year the new national response plan released by the Department of Homeland Security promised this - “seemless integration of the federal government when an incident exceeds local and state capabilities.” In the minds of many Americans, this one did. And FEMA, at least initially, in the minds of some, did not respond enough.

Hume: The words seamless don’t exactly spring to mind. But look, they are down there, The Red Cross, for example, is there.

Garrett: Standing by, ready.

Hume: Standing by, ready. Why didn’t FEMA send The Red Cross into New Orleans when we had all of the people there on that bridge overpass and elsewhere. Why not?

Garrett: First of all, no jurisdiction. FEMA works with The Red Cross, The Salvation Army and other organizations but it has no control to order them to go one place or the other. Secondarily, The Red Cross was ready. I got off the phone with one of their officials. They had a vanguard, Brit, of trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go where? To the Superdome and convention center. Why weren’t they there? The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security told them they could not go.

Hume: This is isn’t the Louisiana branch of the federal Homeland Security? This is –

Garrett: The state’s own agency devoted to the state’s homeland security. They told them you cannot go there. Why? The Red Cross tells me that state agency in Louisiana said, look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or convention center, we want to get them out. So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water? The Red Cross was standing by ready, the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can’t go.

Hume: FEMA does, presumably at some point, have some jurisdiction over some military forces. Of course, the first responders there are the National Guard. Why didn’t FEMA send the National Guard in? You heard that cry from many people.

Garrett: FEMA does not have jurisdictional control over any state’s National Guard, only the governor does. The governor in this case, Kathleen Blanco, A democrat, did use the Louisiana National Guard for some purposes, did not deploy them in massive numbers initially and they were not used to move any of these relief organizations in and they could have been for the very same reason I talked about earlier, the state decided they didn’t want the relief organizations where the people needed it most because they wanted those people to get out.

Hume: But even today we know that Governor Blanco has now decided that a mandatory evacuation may not be necessarily after all. But we can go into that later. What about the use by her of the National Guard to impose law and order during the early looting and all of that?

Garrett: She had a choice, as I am told. She could have taken up the offer from FEMA to federalize all of the activities in Louisiana, meaning that FEMA would be in control of everything. Not only law enforcement, but everything else. She declined to give them that authority. So essentially FEMA was trapped between two bureaucracies. One the Department Of Homeland Security where many of its decisions have to be reviewed and in some cases approved, and a recalcitrant state bureaucracy that wasn’t going to give them the authority they needed to make things happen, among them, the National Guard.

Hume: What about this evacuation problem? It’s clearly was something that New Orleans faced, knew it faced to some extent.

Garrett: And the city [sic] of Louisiana. They have a whole plan that contemplates dealing with an evacuation in the effect of a hurricane three, four or five. Their own plan says, 100,000 residents minimum from the New Orleans area will have to be evacuated. This plan makes it clear …

Hume: You mean, can’t get out on their own.

Garrett: These people will have not have their own vehicles. Not only that, It stipulate that these people are disproportionately poor, sick and in need of special transportation assistance. Brit, I think in these circumstances, bureaucratic language is important. Let’s go to this. This is what the state says: “the Department of Health and Hospitals has the primary responsibility for providing medical coordination for all of the special-needs populations, i.e. hospital and nursing home patients, persons on home health care, elderly persons and other persons with physical or mental disabilities.” Brit, I don’t think you can come up with a better description of the people we saw, day in and day out, at the Superdome and the convention center, than this very population that the state’s own plan said needed to be transported to a safe place and provided services.

Hume: Apparently no plan, no provision, no facility for doing that.

Garrett: No facility for doing that. Not only that, those who reviewed the plans the state put together before were critical of it. In 2002 the New Orleans Times Picayune had a whole story about this saying no one believes the evacuation plans are possible, feasible or will be carried out. They proved to be accurate.

Hume: It sounds like the state will have much to answer for in the investigation coming before Congress as well as the federal government.

Garrett: It appears to be. [/i]

BTW, here’s a link to the video from the Fox excerpt I posted above:

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/09/07/garrettblanco/

And here’s a link to another story talking about how the Red Cross was disallowed from bringing food and supplies into the city:

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

Disaster FAQs

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

* The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

* The Red Cross shares the nation?s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

* The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

* The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

* As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

My bad, he actually declared it Friday the 26th giving them 3 days.

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

September 04, 2005
KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 26
Afternoon
“Governor Blanco declares a State of Emergency for all of Louisiana. The President also issues a State of Emergency declaration and directs DHS and FEMA to coordinate disaster relief efforts.”

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Now it’s Friday? Is anyone else watching the days roll back right before our eyes?