Bush Loss Good for GOP?

This one’s a beaut. I’m surprised BostonBarrister didn’t post this, since he is a big fan of the Wall Street Journal.

By my reading, this fellow seems to make the following key points:

  1. Bush has made several major blunders and doesn’t deserve re-election.
  2. He is creating a schism in the party by leading it away from traditional conservative positions.
  3. A second Bush term, if Bush stays on the same radical-right course he’s on (which seems likely) would lead to a subsequent long-lasting Democratic backlash.

(As i wrote in another post, I’m happy the GOP is being taken over by religious extremists and hardliners. Because mainstream America will reject those candidates, and it’s going to take the GOP years to recover from going too far to the right).

But who cares what I think:

“Republicans for Kerry”
Bush’s defeat would be good for the GOP.

BY NIALL FERGUSON
August 28, 2004

It is doubtless not the most tactful question to ask on the eve of the Republican convention, but might it not be better for American conservatism if George W. Bush failed to win a second term?

Yes, I know, the official GOP line is that nothing could possibly be as bad for the U.S. as a Kerry presidency. According to the Bush campaign, John Kerry’s record of vacillation and inconsistency in the Senate would make him a disastrously indecisive POTUS–an IMPOTUS, as it were. By contrast, they insist, Mr. Bush is decisiveness incarnate. And when this president makes a decision, he sticks to it with Texan tenacity (no matter how wrong it turns out to be).

It is a mistake, however, to conceive of each presidential contest as an entirely discrete event, a simple, categorical choice between two individuals, with consequences stretching no further than four years.

To be sure, there are many tendencies in American political life that will not be fundamentally affected by the outcome of November’s election. For example, contrary to what Mr. Kerry claimed in his convention speech, there are profound structural causes for the widening rift between the U.S. and its erstwhile allies on the European Continent that no new president could possibly counteract. And regardless of whether Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry is in the White House next year, the U.S. will still be stuck with the dirty work of policing post-Saddam Iraq with minimal European assistance other than from Britain–which, by the same token, will remain America’s most reliable military ally regardless of whether Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry is in the White House.

Nor would the election of Mr. Kerry have the slightest impact on the ambition of al Qaeda to inflict harm on the U.S. Even if Americans elected Michael Moore as president, Osama bin Laden would remain implacable.

In geopolitical terms, at least, what happens on Nov. 2 will change very little indeed. Yet in other respects–and particularly in terms of party politics–the election’s consequences could be far-reaching. It is not too much to claim that the result could shape American political life for a decade or more.

Fourteen years ago, in another English-speaking country, an unpopular and in many respects incompetent conservative leader secured re-election by the narrowest of margins and against the run of opinion polls. His name was John Major, and his subsequent period in office, marred as it was by a staggering range of economic, diplomatic and political errors of judgment, doomed the British Conservative Party to (so far) seven years in the political wilderness. I say “so far” because the damage done to the Tories’ reputation by the Major government of 1992-97 was such that there is still no sign whatsoever of its ever returning to power.

Many Conservatives today would now agree that it would have been far better for their party if Mr. Major had lost the election of 1992. For one thing, the government deserved to lose. The decision to take the United Kingdom into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism had plunged the British economy into a severe recession, characterized by a painful housing market bust. For another, the Labour candidate for the premiership, Neil Kinnock, had all the hallmarks of a one-term prime minister. It was Mr. Kinnock’s weakness as a candidate that enabled Mr. Major to scrape home with a tiny majority of 21 out of 651 seats in the Commons. Had Mr. Kinnock won, the exchange rate crisis of September 1992 would have engulfed an inexperienced Labour government, and the Conservatives, having replaced Mr. Major with a more credible leader, could have looked forward to an early return to office.

Instead, the next five years were a kind of Tory dance of death, in which the party not only tore itself apart over Europe, but also helped to tear Bosnia apart by refusing all assistance to those resisting Serbian aggression. Meanwhile, a spate of petty sexual and financial scandals discredited one minister after another, making a mockery of Mr. Major’s call for a return to traditional family values (“Back to Basics”). All of this provided the perfect seedbed for the advent of New Labour and the election by a landslide of Tony Blair in May 1997. Well, Mr. Blair is still in Downing Street and, having weathered the worst of the political storm over Iraq, seems likely to remain there for some years to come.

Could something similar be about to happen in the U.S.? In my view, the Bush administration, too, does not deserve to be re-elected. Its id?e fixe about regime change in Iraq was not a logical response to the crisis of 9/11. Its fiscal policy has been an orgy of irresponsibility. Given the hesitations of independent voters in the swing states, polls currently point to a narrow Bush defeat. Yet Mr. Kerry, like Mr. Kinnock, is the kind who can blow an election in a single sound bite. It’s still all too easy to imagine George W. Bush, like John Major, scraping home by the narrowest of margins (not least, of course, because Mr. Bush did just that four years ago).

But then what? The lesson of British history is that a second Bush term could be more damaging to the Republicans and more beneficial to the Democrats than a Bush defeat. If he secures re-election, President Bush can be relied upon to press on with a foreign policy based on pre-emptive military force, to ignore the impending fiscal crisis (on the Cheney principle that “deficits don’t matter”) and to pursue socially conservative objectives like the constitutional ban on gay marriage. Anyone who thinks this combination will serve to maintain Republican unity is dreaming; it will do the opposite. Meanwhile, the Dems will have another four years to figure out what the Labour Party finally figured out: It’s the candidate, stupid. And when the 2008 Republican candidate goes head-to-head with the American Tony Blair, he will get wiped out.

The obvious retort is that American politics is not British politics. No? Go back half a century, to 1956, and recall the events that led up to the re-election of another Republican incumbent. Sure, Eisenhower didn’t have much in common personally with George W. Bush, except perhaps the relaxed work rate. But Ike was no slouch when it came to regime change. In 1953 a CIA-sponsored coup in Iran installed as dictator Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. In 1954 Ike enunciated the “domino theory,” following the defeat of France in Vietnam and invaded Guatemala to install another pro-American dictator. In 1955 he shelled the Chinese isles of Quemoy and Matsu.

Yet Eisenhower’s refusal to back the Anglo-French-Israeli invasion of Egypt following Nasser’s nationalization of the Suez Canal, and his acquiescence in the Soviet invasion of Hungary, should have alerted American voters to the lack of coherence in his strategy. Predictably, Ike’s re-election was followed by a string of foreign-policy reverses–not least the overthrow of the Hashemite monarchy in Iraq, Castro’s takeover of Cuba and the shooting down of Gary Powers’s U-2 spy plane over the Soviet Union. These were the setbacks that lent credibility to JFK’s hawkish campaign in 1960: And Kennedy’s victory handed the rest of the decade to the Democrats.

Like Adlai Stevenson before him, Mr. Kerry has an aura of unelectability that may yet prove fatal to his hopes. But a Stevenson win in 1956 would have transformed the subsequent course of American political history. Conservatives may ask themselves with good reason whether defeat then might ultimately have averted the much bigger defeats they suffered in the '60s. In just the same way, moderate Republicans today may justly wonder if a second Bush term is really in their best interests. Might four years of Mr. Kerry not be preferable to eight years or more of really effective Democratic leadership?

Mr. Ferguson, professor of history at Harvard and a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford, is author of “Colossus: The Price of America’s Empire” (Penguin, 2004).

I read this when it came out. It’s interesting – Niall Ferguson is always interesting.

However, I don’t think his comparison is quite apt.

Firstly, right now there’s not a viable party on the right to take up the slack. The Reform Party has blown its small chance to be a populist/right party by having Ralph Nader as its candidate.

Also, Ferguson leaves out several key issues that don’t match up at all to the British example:

  1. We are at war. Britain was not.
  2. Britain’s Parliamentary system creates pressure to form a moderate executive with legislators from more than one party, which gives both parties some input into the way the executive develops policy. However, Britain has a winner-take-all system as well. It has always been governed by one-party executives (except for the national unity cabinets during the World Wars). The difference is that the executive depends on a majority in the House of Commons, while the President of the US does not depend on Congress and is elected in his own right.
  3. In the next term, the President can reasonably expect to name at least two and possibly four Supreme Court nominees as current Justices retire. That opportunity comes once in a generation.

Another thing Fergusson misses, I think, is that his scenario already happened with GHW Bush, who veered leftward and away from the huge popular majority of Reagan. He was punished by Perot from the populist/right, and we got 8 years of Clinton, but control of Congress.

However, what I do like about the article is that Fergusson is correct that the US-EU (read: France) rift has little to do with personalities and everything to do with competing national interests.

BTW, Lump, have you read Fergusson’s new book, “Collosus (sp?)” – it’s on my list of books to read, and it has Fergusson’s theories on how the U.S. should exercise its power in the world, given its hegemony (although he likes to say it’s an empire, a la John Gullick).

Pejman Yousefzadeh’s thoughts, from back on August 29:

WIN BY LOSING (REDUX)

Comes now Niall Ferguson to assure all of us Republicans that if we lose this year’s Presidential election, it would actually be good for us somehow. I’ve heard this argument–or its derivative–before, of course, but let’s pay it attention yet again.

[Begin NF Excerpt]  Fourteen years ago, in another English-speaking country, an unpopular and in many respects incompetent conservative leader secured re-election by the narrowest of margins and against the run of opinion polls. His name was John Major, and his subsequent period in office, marred as it was by a staggering range of economic, diplomatic and political errors of judgment, doomed the British Conservative Party to (so far) seven years in the political wilderness. I say "so far" because the damage done to the Tories' reputation by the Major government of 1992-97 was such that there is still no sign whatsoever of its ever returning to power.

Many Conservatives today would now agree that it would have been far better for their party if Mr. Major had lost the election of 1992. For one thing, the government deserved to lose. The decision to take the United Kingdom into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism had plunged the British economy into a severe recession, characterized by a painful housing market bust. For another, the Labour candidate for the premiership, Neil Kinnock, had all the hallmarks of a one-term prime minister. It was Mr. Kinnock's weakness as a candidate that enabled Mr. Major to scrape home with a tiny majority of 21 out of 651 seats in the Commons. Had Mr. Kinnock won, the exchange rate crisis of September 1992 would have engulfed an inexperienced Labour government, and the Conservatives, having replaced Mr. Major with a more credible leader, could have looked forward to an early return to office.

Instead, the next five years were a kind of Tory dance of death, in which the party not only tore itself apart over Europe, but also helped to tear Bosnia apart by refusing all assistance to those resisting Serbian aggression. Meanwhile, a spate of petty sexual and financial scandals discredited one minister after another, making a mockery of Mr. Major's call for a return to traditional family values ("Back to Basics"). All of this provided the perfect seedbed for the advent of New Labour and the election by a landslide of Tony Blair in May 1997. Well, Mr. Blair is still in Downing Street and, having weathered the worst of the political storm over Iraq, seems likely to remain there for some years to come. [End NF Excerpt]

This analogy is flawed. Unlike the Tories, the Republicans are not riven over major issues like the Exchange Rate Mechanism, or standing up to foreign aggression, or sexual and financial scandals. Ferguson makes clear throughout the essay that his objection to the Bush Administration is over issues of policy, but he fails to show how any particular policies are driving Republicans apart in the manner that policy differences drove Tories apart.

Then we have this:

[Begin NF Excerpt]  The obvious retort is that American politics is not British politics. No? Go back half a century, to 1956, and recall the events that led up to the re-election of another Republican incumbent. Sure, Eisenhower didn't have much in common personally with George W. Bush, except perhaps the relaxed work rate. But Ike was no slouch when it came to regime change. In 1953 a CIA-sponsored coup in Iran installed as dictator Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. In 1954 Ike enunciated the "domino theory," following the defeat of France in Vietnam and invaded Guatemala to install another pro-American dictator. In 1955 he shelled the Chinese isles of Quemoy and Matsu.

Yet Eisenhower's refusal to back the Anglo-French-Israeli invasion of Egypt following Nasser's nationalization of the Suez Canal, and his acquiescence in the Soviet invasion of Hungary, should have alerted American voters to the lack of coherence in his strategy. Predictably, Ike's re-election was followed by a string of foreign-policy reverses--not least the overthrow of the Hashemite monarchy in Iraq, Castro's takeover of Cuba and the shooting down of Gary Powers's U-2 spy plane over the Soviet Union. These were the setbacks that lent credibility to JFK's hawkish campaign in 1960: And Kennedy's victory handed the rest of the decade to the Democrats. [End NF Excerpt]

So let’s see if we can follow Ferguson’s reasoning. It appears to be as follows: (1) If a Republican administration follows a policy of regime change, then (2) the policy will be shot through with incoherence thus leading to (3) Democratic dominance for the next decade in the White House.

Forgive me for not buying this. John F. Kennedy did not win the 1960 election by being more hawkish than Eisenhower. He won it by portraying himself as being at least equally hawkish as candidate Richard Nixon, which is a far different thing. Additionally, there were other factors that led to Nixon’s defeat–his poor television personality, Kennedy’s ostensibly more vigorous and energetic campaign and personality, the failure of Eisenhower to campaign for Nixon as much as he could have, etc. Ferguson does a poor job controlling for these other factors, which detracts tremendously from the ability of his argument to persuade.

Ferguson assures Republicans that John Kerry is a weak candidate–just like Neil Kinnock (the British Labour Party leader in 1992) was, and therefore, that he is fated to serving only one term as President. How he comes to this conclusion is a mystery. Many Democrats consoled themselves after the 2000 election, believing that George W. Bush was fated to only be a one term President, but here he is, with a fighting (and some might say excellent) chance at being able to serve another four years. Many Republicans consoled themselves after 1992 in believing that Bill Clinton would only serve one term as President. That believe was only strengthened by the disastrous performance of the Clinton Administration in its first two years, and with the election of Republicans to majorities in both houses of Congress in 1994. You know what happened next.

The object of serious political parties is to win elections, and to be able to govern effectively. Republicans, being members of a serious political party, cannot therefore paralyze themselves–ourselves–with “what if” questions about how a loss might actually be a win, while a win could only be Pyrrhic. Our job is to win this election and in doing so, win the trust of the American people in our ability to govern. Then we have to go out and validate that trust. A hard task, to be sure, but one eminently more worthy and worthwhile than throwing an election on the basis of a hope and a whim–the way Niall Ferguson appears to urge Republicans to do.

How come there aren’t more replies to Lumpys post here? Is BB the only one that can share a comment on this? The silence intrigues me…

As a non-American, who has lived in your beautiful country I thought about sharing a bit of the “worlds’” view with you guys. Everybody probably agrees that this election is really important not just for the U.S. but for the entire world. Some here say that re-electing Bush would be the best thing for the world, some say it wouldn?t. I logged onto

www.betavote.com

today and checked it out myself. If the entire world could vote here are some results. I only include countries in which more than 1,000 people have cast their opinion:

Country-Bush votes-Kerry votes-Bush percentage-Kerry percentage

Austria 80-1279-5%-94%
Australia 349-2813-11%-88%
Belgium 1216-15511-7%-92%
Canada 548-4758-10%-89%
Switzerland 77-1308-5%-94%
Germany 341-4436-7%-92%
Denmark 399-4303-8%-91 %
Finland 2104-27886-7%-92%
France 250-4693-5%-94%
United Kingdom 376-3507-9%-90%
Iceland 195-2210-8%-91%
Netherlands 708-4767-12%-87%
New Zealand 139-1507-8-%-91%
Portugal 229-1797-11%-88%
Sweden 380-3691-9%-90%
Slovenia 146-2416-5%-94%
United States 7455-16568-31%-68%
All Countries: 18556-115603-13-%-86%

Check it out, cast your vote!

[quote]
This analogy is flawed. Unlike the Tories, the Republicans are not riven over major issues like the Exchange Rate Mechanism, or standing up to foreign aggression, or sexual and financial scandals. Ferguson makes clear throughout the essay that his objection to the Bush Administration is over issues of policy, but he fails to show how any particular policies are driving Republicans apart in the manner that policy differences drove Tories apart.[/quote]

I think it is clear as day that policy and philosophical disputes ARE causing a rift in the GOP.

For example, many Repubs are extremely uncomfortable with the rise in influence of the religious fundamentalists. That is a major wedge issue there for some conservatives in the GOP.

Many traditional conservatives are bothered by the current Repubs and their massive spending, the talk of tampering with the Constitution, the potential loss of rights under the Patriot Act, how the White House has handled POWs at Guantanamo, deliberate alienation of traditional allies. Another major major issue driving a wedge in the GOPseems to be Bush’s Doctrine of Preemptive War.

To BB, no I have not read any of Niall Ferguson’s books.

The article I posted above mirrors a previous article I posted in my “Bush Supporters for Kerry” thread, that described how some in the GOP were happy to see Gerald Ford lose, because he was considered a weak candidate and wasn’t conservative enough for their tastes.

I think you have your parties switched around. A Kerry loss would actually strengthen the democratc party for the future.

As is stands now, only 31% of those voting for Kerry are actually voting for Kerry. The rest are voting against Bush. Compare that with 71% of those voting for Bush are voting for him - not against Kerry.

I think 2008 would be the rally year for the Dems - what with Cankles Clinton running. Why in blue blazes would Hillary want Kerry to win this year? It’s almost unheard of to run against an incumbent.

[quote]T-Stag wrote:
How come there aren’t more replies to Lumpys post here? Is BB the only one that can share a comment on this? The silence intrigues me…

As a non-American, who has lived in your beautiful country I thought about sharing a bit of the “worlds’” view with you guys. Everybody probably agrees that this election is really important not just for the U.S. but for the entire world. Some here say that re-electing Bush would be the best thing for the world, some say it wouldn?t. I logged onto

www.betavote.com

today and checked it out myself. If the entire world could vote here are some results. I only include countries in which more than 1,000 people have cast their opinion:

Country-Bush votes-Kerry votes-Bush percentage-Kerry percentage

Austria 80-1279-5%-94%
Australia 349-2813-11%-88%
Belgium 1216-15511-7%-92%
Canada 548-4758-10%-89%
Switzerland 77-1308-5%-94%
Germany 341-4436-7%-92%
Denmark 399-4303-8%-91 %
Finland 2104-27886-7%-92%
France 250-4693-5%-94%
United Kingdom 376-3507-9%-90%
Iceland 195-2210-8%-91%
Netherlands 708-4767-12%-87%
New Zealand 139-1507-8-%-91%
Portugal 229-1797-11%-88%
Sweden 380-3691-9%-90%
Slovenia 146-2416-5%-94%
United States 7455-16568-31%-68%
All Countries: 18556-115603-13-%-86%

Check it out, cast your vote![/quote]

T-Stag –

Read up on the problems of self-selection bias with internet polls – they are substantial.

Anyway though, at least we know there are lots of countries for Kerry to visit once he loses (my preferred outcome) – Hell, he apparently could even get elected in France, where he would actually be an improvement over than incumbent.

[quote]Lumpy wrote:

This analogy is flawed. Unlike the Tories, the Republicans are not riven over major issues like the Exchange Rate Mechanism, or standing up to foreign aggression, or sexual and financial scandals. Ferguson makes clear throughout the essay that his objection to the Bush Administration is over issues of policy, but he fails to show how any particular policies are driving Republicans apart in the manner that policy differences drove Tories apart.

I think it is clear as day that policy and philosophical disputes ARE causing a rift in the GOP.

For example, many Repubs are extremely uncomfortable with the rise in influence of the religious fundamentalists. That is a major wedge issue there for some conservatives in the GOP.

Many traditional conservatives are bothered by the current Repubs and their massive spending, the talk of tampering with the Constitution, the potential loss of rights under the Patriot Act, how the White House has handled POWs at Guantanamo, deliberate alienation of traditional allies. Another major major issue driving a wedge in the GOPseems to be Bush’s Doctrine of Preemptive War.

To BB, no I have not read any of Niall Ferguson’s books.

The article I posted above mirrors a previous article I posted in my “Bush Supporters for Kerry” thread, that described how some in the GOP were happy to see Gerald Ford lose, because he was considered a weak candidate and wasn’t conservative enough for their tastes.[/quote]

Lumpy -

This case could be made much more forcefully about Kerry than about Bush. Bush supporters strongly support him – the usual reading in the mid-to-high 80s for their responses as “Voting FOR Bush”. This would indicate the lack of the serious rift you propound. Kerry, on the other hand scores down in the 30s for “Voting FOR Kerry” among his own supporters.

Not to say there aren’t issues with which certain conservatives are displeased with Bush, but it tends to be different issues for different conservatives, rather than one or two rift issues that divide the party.

BB, I know. Even though I only voted once, there?s always a bunch of assholes who?ll vote several times just to change the numbers.

As far as Kerry being better than the president of France, ? haven?t liked Chirac since he alienated a lot of people with his nuclear test program a few years back. It caused a major controversy in Europe…I even remember the Swiss national soccer team protesting against it in an international (World Cup qualification) game. The team got a fine for that from the UEFA.

Shit happens…