Bush Lets US Spy On Callers Without Courts

Here are some good analyses that I’ve cobbled together from a variety of posts.


  1. The language of the 4th Amendment simply forbids “unreasonable searches” and says that, if you want a warrant you need probable cause. It does not require a warrant or probable cause before a search or seizure. Is there new language out there I am not aware of?

  2. The Supreme Court has described 2 dozen situations in which no warrant is required for a search or seizure including very large categories like arrests for felonies and searches of automobiles. So far as I know, Justice Powell supported all of these decisions. These searches and seizures are valid even if it is practical/easy for the officer to obtain a warrant.

  3. In 1789, the same Congress that wrote and proposed the Bill of Rights authorized warrantless searches of ships. James Madison signed legislation in 1815 that authorized warrantless searches of vessels, beasts, and persons.
    Since the beginning, police have arrested and searched suspected felons without a warrant. Today the police can arrest a suspected felon, search his effects and put him in jail for 48 hours without seeking a probable cause determination from a magistrate. This is a very large intrusion, and no warrant is required, even if the police could easily get one. Ditto for searches of your car, boat, or mobil home.

  4. The state interest in detecting terrorist activities BEFORE they come to fruition is much stronger than the interest in, say, detecting illegal drugs, the latter of which Justice Powell called “compelling” in US v. Mendenhall. Plus, the intrusion of, say, a wiretap may be far less than the intrusion of an arrest and search incident to it, plus the 48 hour incarceration that the law allows. A fortiori, then, a warrantless wiretap of someone suspected of conspiring with Al Qaeda seems quite reasonable.

  5. The preference for a warrant may be alive and well in Law School Classrooms. But, Akhil Amar debunked it as a historical matter long ago, as have others. Plus there is the pesky constitutional text, which militates against such a presumption. Ivory tower fulminations against warrantless this or that, even in opinions by Justice Powell, are not up to the task of determining what is reasonable and thus Constitutional when agents of foreign adversaries are in your country plotting to kill your fellow citizens.

  6. If there really is a warrant requirement, I guess we’ll have to get rid of metal detectors at airports.


[T]here are two questions implicit in this discussion. The first is: 1. Were the President’s actions lawful.

The second question is a policy question, which is really what you are now arguing. I would submit that the President, even though the constitution and the laws of this country did not require him to so do, did provide for review in several ways. As has been disclosed by the president the authorizations were continually reviewed by the DOJ, the whitehouse counsel’s office and the general counsel for the NSA. They would continually use hindsight to review the surveillance performed, the information gathered, and the propriety of the surveillance gathered. They briefed members of both parties of congress at least 12 times on the President’s decision to exercise this power and what was being done. The President also made the FISA court aware he had chosen to exercise this power, and the judge in fact made some rulings with regard to how the information gathered in this matter could be used.


The people relying solely on the Fourth Amendment are overlooking a serious fact: most searches take place without a warrant. The Fourth Amendment cannot require a warrant in all cases, otherwise most searches are unconstitutional. Instead, the Fourth states that if legislation requires a warrant, then that warrant must meet certain standards.

AFAICT, the searches the President has admitted to were permissible under a few legal theories. Alberto Gonzales notes that the FISA law states that it is a general law, and that other laws can pre-empt it. It is the President’s position that the authorization of military force includes authorization to spy on Afghanistan, Taliban, and Al Quaeda persons, and therefore pre-empts FISA.

Since the President has reported these wiretaps to Congress, it’s very hard to see how Congress received these reports without realizing the President’s argument that legislation permited this wiretapping.


I would point readers to the Supreme Court’s many decisions in the “Special Needs” category where various kinds of warrantless searches are approved as perfectly constitutional because they are reasonable in balancing the special needs of government with the constitutional protections for individual privacy and 4th amendment protections. These special needs cases were summarized by the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Of Review in its 11/18/02 Opinion as follows:

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Supreme Court?s Special Needs Cases

The distinction between ordinary criminal prosecutions and extraordinary situations underlies the Supreme Court?s approval of entirely warrantless and even suspicion less searches that are designed to serve the government?s ?special needs, beyond the normal need for law enforcement.? Vernonia School Dist. 47J v. Acton, 515 U.S. 646, 653 (1995) (quoting Griffin v. Wisconsin, 483 U.S. 868, 873 (1987) (internal quotation marks omitted)) (random drug-testing of student athletes).32 Apprehending drunk drivers and securing the border constitute such unique interests beyond ordinary, general law enforcement. Id. at 654 (citing Michigan Dep?t of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990), and United States v. Martinez- Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976)).

A recent case, City of Indianapolis v. Edmond, 531 U.S. 32 (2000), is relied on by both the government and amici. In that case, the Court held that a highway check point designed to catch drug dealers did not fit within its special needs exception because the government?s ?primary purpose? was merely ?to uncover evidence of ordinary criminal wrongdoing.? Id. at 41-42. The Court rejected the government?s argument that the ?severe and intractable nature of the drug problem? was sufficient justification for such a dragnet seizure lacking any individualized suspicion. Id. at 42. Amici particularly rely on the Court?s statement that ?the gravity of the threat alone cannot be dispositive of questions concerning what means law enforcement officers may employ to pursue a given purpose.? Id.

But by ?purpose? the Court makes clear it was referring not to a subjective intent, which is not relevant in ordinary Fourth Amendment probable cause analysis, but rather to a programmatic purpose. The Court distinguished the prior check point cases Martinez-Fuerte (involving checkpoints less than 100 miles from the Mexican border) and Sitz (checkpoints to detect intoxicated motorists) on the ground that the former involved the government?s ?longstanding concern for the protection of the integrity of the border,? id. at 38 (quoting United States v. Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531, 538 (1985)), and the latter was ?aimed at reducing the immediate hazard posed by the presence of drunk drivers on the highways.? Id. at 39. The Court emphasized that it was decidedly not drawing a distinction between suspicion less seizures with a ?non-law-enforcement primary purpose? and those designed for law enforcement. Id. at 44 n.1. Rather, the Court distinguished general crime control programs and those that have another particular purpose, such as protection of citizens against special hazards or protection of our borders. The Court specifically acknowledged that an appropriately tailored road block could be used ?to thwart an imminent terrorist attack.? Id. at 44. The nature of the ?emergency,? which is simply another word for threat, takes the matter out of the realm of ordinary crime control.

Besides erroneously quoting non-supported dicta some of the commentators above have referenced the 1967 Supreme Court Decision in Katz, but Katz is by its own words completely inapplicable to the instant situation involving President Bush authorizing the NSA to conduct certain warrantless/Non-FISA Ordered searches for foreign intelligence information gathering.

In Katz: the Supreme Court acknowledged that the President had claimed special authority for warrantless surveillance in national security investigations, and explicitly declined to extend its holding to cases “involving the national security.” Id. at 358 n. 23.

Similarly, Congress in the Title III (wire tapping statutes) stated that “nothing in Title III shall . . . be deemed to limit the constitutional power of the President to take such measures as he deems necessary to protect the United States against the overthrow of the Government by force or other unlawful means, or against any other clear and present danger to the structure or existence of the Government.”

In fact every federal appellate case that decided the issue recognized the President’s inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless surveillance for national security purposes. Again quoting from the USFIS Court Of Review 11/18/02 Opinion:

The Truong court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. It was incumbent upon the court, therefore, to determine the boundaries of that constitutional authority in the case before it. We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President?s constitutional power. The question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President?s power

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So to close, I’d just like to say that as a 4th amendment constitutional scholar, Professor B is a really good corporate scholar, and to those who complain about conservatives instinctively approving of President Bush’s actions which were so clearly to them, at least, unlawful, I would ask: Why is it that you lefties jump like chicken littles shouting the sky is falling and flailing about with your arms and legs if the President seeks to lawfully protect our national security interests (or for that matter if a small child opens a prayer book in the public school cafeteria and silently gives thanks to the lord for providing that 1st class government supported meal).


[quote]The actual distinction is targeted surveillance, versus this sort of wide-net surveillance. Which do you find more problematic?

vroom wrote:
Boston, I think the difference is specific targeting of US citizens by US intelligence agencies while on US soil. [/quote]

Ok, so when I said the difference was specific targeting… that didn’t register because?

P.S. You’ll notice I’m not using the argument similar to that proferred by the right wing on the Plame case, that the terrorists already knew about it, so no damage was done. I don’t like that argument in the Plame situation and therefore it stinks here too. The damage is not the measurement of the situation.

[quote]mmg_4 wrote:
For my friend Rainjack:
WRT illegalites of Bush’s spying efforts, although you will find loopholes and still support your hero, I present sen. Mcain’s remarks, as well as other remarks by Lindsey Graham in this article. Note as to NO explanation as to why Bush didnt use the FISA protocol…and as far as anyone can tell it cannot and should not be gotten around…

who needs congress when George is in power??[/quote]

I think Congress gave him that power when they voted to go to war against Al Qaeda after 9/11. Article 2 of the COnstitution gives him express powers to deal with a foreign enemy. Even your article stops short of saying the President’s actions were illegal.

Do I like the idea of monitoring targeted international electronic correspondence with citizens? Not on its face. But when the practice that is reauthorized every 45 days is so selective in its targets - I don’t think it is the brew ha-ha that the left, and certain liberal Republicans make it out to be.

And - No. In a time of war, when he has been authorized by congress to deal with an enemy that has declared war on the U.S., the President doesn’t really need the blessing of congress to carry out his duties as CIC.

Go back in time and look at some of the things that Lincoln did as CIC. Look at what FDR did. Spying on Al Qaeda and their domestic sympathizers is kids play compared to our not so distant history.

An analysis from 4th Amendment scholar Orin Kerr of George Mason University Law School, who thinks it might violate FISA (though I’ll comment that if its inherent in the President’s power to act, then Congress couldn’t restrict his power via FISA):

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_12_18-2005_12_24.shtml#1135029722

Legal Analysis of the NSA Domestic Surveillance Program:

Was the secret NSA surveillance program legal? Was it constitutional? Did it violate federal statutory law? It turns out these are hard questions, but I wanted to try my best to answer them. My answer is pretty tentative, but here it goes: Although it hinges somewhat on technical details we don’t know, it seems that the program was probably constitutional but probably violated the federal law known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. My answer is extra-cautious for two reasons. First, there is some wiggle room in FISA, depending on technical details we don’t know of how the surveillance was done. Second, there is at least a colorable argument – if, I think in the end, an unpersuasive one – that the surveillance was authorized by the Authorization to Use Miltary Force as construed in the Hamdi opinion.

This is a really long post, so let me tell you where I’m going. I’m going to start with the Fourth Amendment; then turn to FISA; next look to the Authorization to Use Military Force; and conclude by looking at claim that the surveillance was justified by the inherent authority of Article II. And before I start, let me be clear that nothing in this post is intended to express or reflect a normative take of whether the surveillance program is a good idea or a bad idea. In other words, I’m just trying to answer what the law is, not say what the law should be. If you think my analysis is wrong, please let me know in the comment section; I’d be delighted to post a correction.

The Fourth Amendment. On the whole, I think there are some pretty decent arguments that this program did not violate the Fourth Amendment under existing precedent. There are a bunch of different arguments here, but let me focus on two: the border search exception and a national security exception. Neither is a slam dunk, by any means, but each are plausible arguments left open by the cases.

The border search exception permits searches at the border of the United States “or its functional equivalent.” United States v. Montoya De Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531, 538 (1985). The idea here is that the United States as a sovereign has a right to inspect stuff entering or exiting the country as a way of protecting its sovereign interests, and that the Fourth Amendment permits such searches. Courts have applied the border search exception in cases of PCs and computer hard drives; if you bring a computer into or out of the United States, the government can search your computer for contraband or other prohibited items at the airport or wherever you are entering or leaving the country. See, e.g., United States v. Ickes, 393 F.3d 501 (4th Cir. 2005) (Wilkinson, J.).

As I understand it, all of the monitoring involved in the NSA program involved international calls (and international e-mails). That is, the NSA was intercepting communications in the U.S., but only communications going outside the U.S. or coming from abroad. I’m not aware of any cases applying the border search exception to raw data, as compared to the search of a physical device that stores data, so this is untested ground. At the same time, I don’t know of a rationale in the caselaw for treating data differently than physical storage devices. The case law on the border search exception is phrased in pretty broad language, so it seems at least plausible that a border search exception could apply to monitoring at an ISP or telephone provider as the “functional equivalent of the border,” much like airports are the functional equivalent of the border in the case of international airline travel.

The government would have a second argument in case a court doesn’t accept the border search exception: the open question of whether there is a national security exception to the Fourth Amendment that permits the government to conduct searches and surveillance for foreign intelligence surveillance. Footnote 23 of Katz v. United States ( KATZ v. UNITED STATES | FindLaw ) left this open, and Justice White’s conccurrence in Katz expanded on this point:

Wiretapping to protect the security of the Nation has been authorized by successive Presidents. The present Administration would apparently save national security cases from restrictions against wiretapping. We should not require the warrant procedure and the magistrate’s judgment if the President of the United States or his chief legal officer, the Attorney General, has considered the requirements of national security and authorized electronic surveillance as reasonable.

The Supreme Court also left this question open in the so-called “Keith” case, United States v. United States District Court, in 1972 ( UNITED STATES v. UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT | FindLaw ). Justice Powell’s opinion in the Keith case concluded that there was no national security exception to the Fourth Amendment for evidence collection involving domestic organizations, but expressly held open the possibility that such an exception existed for foreign intelligence collection:

Further, the instant case requires no judgment on the scope of the President’s surveillance power with respect to the activities of foreign powers, within or without this country. The Attorney General’s affidavit in this case states that the surveillances were “deemed necessary to protect the nation from attempts of domestic organizations to attack and subvert the existing structure of Government.” There is no evidence of any involvement, directly or indirectly, of a foreign power.

The administration presumably takes the position that the President does have such power in cases involving foreign evidence collection, and that the NSA surveillance is such a case. The Supreme Court has never resolved the question, so it’s an open constitutional issue. Nonetheless, between the border search exception and the open possibility of a national security exception, there are pretty decent arguments that the monitoring did not violate the Fourth Amendment. Maybe persuasive, maybe not, but certainly open and fair arguments under the case law.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Now let’s turn to FISA, a 1978 law that Congress enacted in response to the Keith case. FISA goes beyond the Keith case, including foreign intelligence surveillance in its scope even though it was left open as a constututional question.

Specifically, 50 U.S.C. 1809 prohibits “electronic surveillance” except as authorized by statutory law: “A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally . . . engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute.” “Electronic surveillance” is defined in 50 U.S.C. 1801(f) to mean, in relevant part:

(1) the acquisition by an electronic, mechanical, or other surveillance device of the contents of any wire or radio communication sent by or intended to be received by a particular, known United States person who is in the United States, if the contents are acquired by intentionally targeting that United States person, under circumstances in which a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy and a warrant would be required for law enforcement purposes;
(2) the acquisition by an electronic, mechanical, or other surveillance device of the contents of any wire communication to or from a person in the United States, without the consent of any party thereto, if such acquisition occurs in the United States. . . . 

A “United States person” is defined in 50 U.S.C. 1801(i) as “a citizen of the United States [or] an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence.” A “wire communication” is defined as a communication that is traveling by a wire; I don’t know if “radio communication” is a defined term, but I assume it refers primary to satellite communications.

Putting aside the AUMF and statutory exceptions for now, let’s consider whether the NSA surveillance program violates the basic prohibition of 50 U.S.C. 1809 ? intentionally conducting electronic surveillance. I think the answer is probably yes. If the surveillance tapped wire communications under 1801(f)(2), the case is pretty clear: the surveillance involved people in the U.S. and survillance in the U.S., and that’s all that is required. If the surveillance involved radio communications (satellite communications, I’m guessing), that’s a bit trickier. There is at least a little wiggle room in Section 1801(f)(1). For example, you could say that the border search exception eliminates Fourth Amendment protection, such that there was no reasonable expectation of privacy and therefore there would be no warrant required in an analogous criminal case. In that case, the tapping of the radio communication wouldn’t count as “electronic surveillance.” I don’t think we know the details of how the communucations were obtained, so I think it’s fair to say that the surveillance probably violated the basic proibition but it at least arguably depends on some of the technical details we don’t know.

Now, on to the exceptions. 50 U.S.C. 1802(a)(1) provides in relevant part:

Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that--

(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at--
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; [and]

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party.

Does this exception permit the monitoring? Note that (i) and (ii) are both dealing with “foreign power, as defined in (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title.” FISA’s definition of “foreign power” appears in 50 U.S.C. 1801:

(1) a foreign government or any component thereof, whether or not recognized by the United States;
(2) a faction of a foreign nation or nations, not substantially composed of United States persons;
(3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such foreign government or governments;
(4) a group engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor;
(5) a foreign-based political organization, not substantially composed of United States persons; or
(6) an entity that is directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments.

So as I read the statutes, Congress was trying to give an exception for monitoring foreign governments (a1, a2, a3) but not terrorist groups (a4, a5, a6), so long as no citizens or lawful permanent resident aliens were being monitored. There are interesting questions of how that might have applied to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but I don’t think we need to reach them. It’s my understanding that the program monitored both citizens and non-citizens, so I don’t see how the exception is applicable.

(Aside: Remember back in 2003 when a copy of the Administration’s “Domestic Security Enhancement Act” ? sometimes dubbed “Patriot II” ? was leaked to the press? Section 501 of that Act would have made “providing material support” to a terrorist group an automatic ground for terminating citizenship. This is just a guess, but I wonder if the thinking was that this would make the NSA warrantless monitoring program legal under FISA. An individual who made regular contact with Al Qaeda could be giving them material support, and the individual would then no longer be a United States person and could then be legally subject to monitoring. Just speculation, but it might explain the thinking behind the legislative proposal. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming.)

Authorization to Use Military Force. The next question is whether the Authorization for Use of Military Force, Pub. L. No. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, justified the monitoring. The authorizaton states in relevant part:

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) IN GENERAL.--That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

I assume that the Administration’s claim is that the AUMF counts as a “statute” that authorizes the surveillance: 50 U.S.C. 1809 states that “A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally . . . engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute,” so if the AUMF authorized the electronic surveillance, then the NSA program didn’t violate FISA.

The Supreme Court considered the legal effect of the AUMF in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld ( HAMDI v. RUMSFELD [03-6696] | FindLaw ). Yaser Hamdi was being held as an enemy combatant, and claimed that his detention violated 18 U.S.C. 4001. Section 4001(a) states that “[n]o citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the United States except pursuant to an Act of Congress.” Given Justice Thomas’s very broad reading of the AUMF in his dissent, I think the key interpretation is that of Justice O’Connor’s plurality opinion, joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist, Justice Kennedy, and Justice Breyer. Justice O’Connor concluded that the the AUMF was “an act of Congress” that authorized Hamdi’s detention, such that the detention did not violate 4001(a):

 [i] The AUMF authorizes the President to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against "nations, organizations, or persons" associated with the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. 115 Stat. 224. There can be no doubt that individuals who fought against the United States in Afghanistan as part of the Taliban, an organization known to have supported the al Qaeda terrorist network responsible for those attacks, are individuals Congress sought to target in passing the AUMF. We conclude that detention of individuals falling into the limited category we are considering, for the duration of the particular conflict in which they were captured, is so fundamental and accepted an incident to war as to be an exercise of the "necessary and appropriate force" Congress has authorized the President to use.

  The capture and detention of lawful combatants and the capture, detention, and trial of unlawful combatants, by "universal agreement and practice," are "important incident[s] of war." Ex parte Quirin, 317 U. S., at 28. The purpose of detention is to prevent captured individuals from returning to the field of battle and taking up arms once again. . . .

   . . .

  In light of these principles, it is of no moment that the AUMF does not use specific language of detention. Because detention to prevent a combatant's return to the battlefield is a fundamental incident of waging war, in permitting the use of "necessary and appropriate force," Congress has clearly and unmistakably authorized detention in the narrow circumstances considered here.
   . . .

  Hamdi contends that the AUMF does not authorize indefinite or perpetual detention. Certainly, we agree that indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation is not authorized. Further, we understand Congress' grant of authority for the use of "necessary and appropriate force" to include the authority to detain for the duration of the relevant conflict, and our understanding is based on longstanding law-of-war principles.

  . . .

  The United States may detain, for the duration of these hostilities, individuals legitimately determined to be Taliban combatants who "engaged in an armed conflict against the United States." If the record establishes that United States troops are still involved in active combat in Afghanistan, those detentions are part of the exercise of "necessary and appropriate force," and therefore are authorized by the AUMF.[/i]

So does the AUMF authorize the surveillance? As often happens when you’re trying to draw guidance from an O’Connor opinion, it’s not entirely clear. Under her opinion, the key question is whether the act is “so fundamental and accepted an incident to war” that it falls within the authorization. But that depends on the level of generality you chose to use to define “the act.” Is “the act” spying on the enemy? In that case, perhaps it is a fundamental incident to war. Or is “the act” conducting U.S. domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens? In that case, the answer is no, it’s not a fundamental incident to war.

In the end, my best sense is that the AUMF doesn’t extend to this. I have three reasons. First, O’Connor’s opinion says the following about detention for interrogation: “Certainly, we agree that indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation is not authorized.” It seems to me that surveillance and wiretapping is pretty similar to interrogation: the point of both is getting information about your enemy. Second, it doesn’t seem like wiretapping counts as a “use of force.” If you read the text of the AUMF, it doesn’t seem to me that it authorizes wiretapping. Finally, note that Congress passed the Patriot Act about a month after passing the AUMF; if Congress had intended the AUMF to give the president wide authority to conduct domestic surveillance against Al Qaeda, I don’t think they would have spent so much time amending FISA for terrorism investigations. So at bottom, I think the AUMF probably didn’t authorize this, although the Hamdi case gives some colorable (if ultimately unpersuasive) arguments that it might.

Article II. The final argument is that Article II of the Constitution gives the President inherent authority to conduct such monitoring. The Administration introduced this theory in a supplemental brief filed in the FISA Court of Review ( Justice Dept Supplemental Brief to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review ):

[i][u]  The President Has Inherent Authoritv to Conduct Warrantless Electronic Surveillance to Protect National Security from Foreign Threats.[/u]

  In considering the constitutionality of the amended FISA, it is important to understand that FISA is not required by the Constitution. Rather, the Constitution vests in the President inherent authority to conduct warrantless intelligence surveillance (electronic or otherwise) of foreign powers or their agents, and Congress cannot by statute extinguish that constitutional authority. Both before and after the enactment of FISA, courts have recognized the President's inherent authority to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance. See, e.g., Butenko, 494 F.2d at 608 (grounding exception to warrant requirement in the President's Commander-in-chief and foreign-affairs powers; noting that the country's self-defense needs weigh on the side of reasonableness); Truong, 629 F.2d at 914 (citing the President's foreign affairs power as justifying an exception to the warrant requirement); cf. United States v. United States District Court (Keith), 407 U.S. 297, 308 (1972)(reserving the question whether the President's foreign-affairs powers justify exception from warrant requirement).[/i]

So the argument, as I understand it, is that Congress has no power to legislate in a way that inteferes with the President’s Commander-in-Chief power, a judgment made, I suppose, by the President himself.

I have been unable to find any caselaw in support of this argument. Further, the argument has no support from the cases cited in the government’s brief. In all three of those cases – Butenko, Truong, and Keith - the Courts were talking about whether the President’s interest in conducting foreign intelligence monitoring creates an exception to the Warrant Requirement of the Fourth Amendment. In other words, the issue in those case was whether the Constitution bars warrantless surveillance absent Congressional action, not whether Congressional prohibitons in this area cannot bind the Executive branch.

Consider the citation to the Butenko case. Here is the relevant section, from 494 F.2d at 608:

 [i] Both executive authority in the foreign affairs area and society's interest in privacy are of significance, and are equally worthy of judicial concern.
  . . .
  The importance of the President's responsibilities in the foreign affairs field requires the judicial branch to act with the utmost care when asked to place limitations on the President's powers in that area. As Commander-in-Chief, the President must guard the country from foreign aggression, sabotage, and espionage. Obligated to conduct this nation's foreign affairs, he must be aware of the posture of foreign nations toward the United States, the intelligence activities of foreign countries aimed at uncovering American secrets, and the policy positions of foreign states on a broad range of international issues.

  To be sure, in the course of such wiretapping conversations of alien officials and agents, and perhaps of American citizens, will be overheard and to that extent, their privacy infringed. But the Fourth Amendment proscribes only 'unreasonable' searches and seizures. And balanced against this country's self-defense needs, we cannot say that the district court erred in concluding that the electronic surveillance here did not trench upon Ivanov's Fourth Amendment rights.[/i]

As I read this analysis, it is entirely focused on the Fourth Amendment, and specifically whether the President’s Commander in Chief power should trigger a relaxed Fourth Amendment standard. That seems quite different from a claim that Article II makes Congressional regulation inoperative. The same goes for the citation to Truong, 629 F.2d at 914. In the course of discussing whether the Courts should require a warant for foreig intelligence surveillance, the court tried to balance the ability of courts to regulate intelligence surveillance with the strong governmentg interest:

 [i] Perhaps most crucially, the executive branch not only has superior expertise in the area of foreign intelligence, it is also constitutionally designated as the pre-eminent authority in foreign affairs. The President and his deputies are charged by the constitution with the conduct of the foreign policy of the United States in times of war and peace. Just as the separation of powers in Keith forced the executive to recognize a judicial role when the President conducts domestic security surveillance, so the separation of powers requires us to acknowledge the principal responsibility of the President for foreign affairs and concomitantly for foreign intelligence surveillance.

In sum, because of the need of the executive branch for flexibility, its practical experience, and its constitutional competence, the courts should not require the executive to secure a warrant each time it conducts foreign intelligence surveillance.[/i]

While the Court was recognizing the President’s constitutional role, it was in a very specific context: balancing reasonableness in the context of Fourth Amendment law to determine whether the surveillance required a warrant. Again, this doesn’t seem to go to whether Congress can impose binding statutory prohibitions beyond the Fourth Amendment.

Conclusion. Anyway, that’s my tentative take; I hope it’s helpful. It’s entirely possible that I goofed the analysis somewhere along the way; FISA, the AUMF, and Article II aren’t my area of expertise, so we should consider this post a work in progress. I look forward to comments – civil and respectful, please.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
mmg_4 wrote:
For my friend Rainjack:
WRT illegalites of Bush’s spying efforts, although you will find loopholes and still support your hero, I present sen. Mcain’s remarks, as well as other remarks by Lindsey Graham in this article. Note as to NO explanation as to why Bush didnt use the FISA protocol…and as far as anyone can tell it cannot and should not be gotten around…

who needs congress when George is in power??

I think Congress gave him that power when they voted to go to war against Al Qaeda after 9/11. Article 2 of the COnstitution gives him express powers to deal with a foreign enemy. Even your article stops short of saying the President’s actions were illegal.

Do I like the idea of monitoring targeted international electronic correspondence with citizens? Not on its face. But when the practice that is reauthorized every 45 days is so selective in its targets - I don’t think it is the brew ha-ha that the left, and certain liberal Republicans make it out to be.

And - No. In a time of war, when he has been authorized by congress to deal with an enemy that has declared war on the U.S., the President doesn’t really need the blessing of congress to carry out his duties as CIC.

Go back in time and look at some of the things that Lincoln did as CIC. Look at what FDR did. Spying on Al Qaeda and their domestic sympathizers is kids play compared to our not so distant history.
[/quote]

That’s all well and good except that who’s to say they are ONLY spying on al-quaeda sympathizers? Also, you and I could argue til were blue in the face about wether Bush should have notified congress, but my argument would be that it is giving one person too much power.

THats why its a democracy, so power doesnt go UNCHECKED, besides the fact that a lot of people are uncomfortable with this development. other thatn that, I appreciate you writing without insults and making a point without ridicule, makes it so much easier to discuss.

[quote]vroom wrote:
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Your tax dollars at work listenining in on my phone calls![/quote]

Is all dressed a canadian thing for what we call a supreme pizza?

Here’s a point that isn’t overly heavy on legal analysis.

First, the President doesn’t seem too worried about this. Why do you think this is?

I would focus on one of the claims he has made in his press conference. Specifically, “So it’s a program that’s limited, and you brought up something that I want to stress, and that is, is that these calls are not intercepted within the country. They are from outside the country to in the country, or vice versa.”

Why is that important (assuming it was not a slip of the tongue, of course, as it was in the Q&A and not the speech)?

Well, from the definition of “electronic surveillance” under FISA, it seems they pretty much exclude any communications once they exit the U.S. - subsection (f)(1) does not apply where the 4th Amendment does not apply, and (f)(2) does not apply where the communication is acquired outside of the United States.

So at most, if you assume the President is not lying, which I am inclinded to do, then we have a technical violation of a statute that clearly was not intended to cover communications leaving the United States, and the technical violation exists, with no intent.

However, there may be another legal interpretation that would even nullify a technical violation of FISA. If the “airport” border exception applies in the 4th Amendment, why wouldnt that same border fiction apply in interpreting this act? Essentially that judicial fiction interprets airports as borders w/r/t the applicability of restrictions on the government’s search and seizure power. It would seem reasonable to apply the same border fiction to both airports and communications routed via satellites.

Also, the press conference by attorney general Alberto Gonzalez is very informative as to the administration’s analysis. I suggest reading it:

Boston: regardless of the legality i would not think that congress would try to do anything more serious than bitch at him of course we’ll have to see about that. I do enjoy your posts though, keep em coming.

[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Boston: regardless of the legality i would not think that congress would try to do anything more serious than bitch at him of course we’ll have to see about that. I do enjoy your posts though, keep em coming.[/quote]

Big Don,

I think you’re right.

Basically, the Dems are in a bad spot, and they seem to have already fallen into what one would think could be a Rovian trap, were it not obviously predicated by their own stupidity.

When they claim ignornance, as the DNC tried to do, they look like liars - especially with some in leadership positions making very weak claims that they were briefed and “protested” certain sections (the only credible person on that count is Sen. Rockefeller - and the administration revised aspects of the program based on his critiques (hardly the sign of an “imperial” president trying to avoid all checks and balances, eh?)).

Since the program doesn’t appear to be unconstitutional, if they focus on any possible illegality, they will do two things. 1) They will confuse the voters, as this is very technical stuff (and they may very well be wrong in any case - it may be legal); 2)

They will weaken their credentials on national security issues if they force a shutdown of a program focused on searches of the communications of suspected terrorists, especially if it comes down to a Constitutional Article I v. Article II power struggle between the executive branch and the legislative branch (however, it’s highly doubtful that would be the case with Republican majorities in the House and Senate).

More likely, the hearings Congress will hold will end up showing a very narrowly tailored program focused on suspected terrorists, and the Dems will simply have undermined their credibility while at the same time taking focus off of the ethical problems caused for Republicans in Congress (although also Dems to a lesser extent) by Jack Abramoff.

Bravo.

does the NSA bug y’all? they bug me. sorry…bad joke

Boston,

The real interesting thing is that FISA gave them the means to deal with these communications, without the need to circumvent anything – especially if things are as you suggest.

There is the “after the fact” capability to inform FISA after spying so that timing is not going to interfere with spying.

Funny that more was considered necessary. Anyway, we’ll have to wait until the new year to get any serious analysis of this, as opposed to quasi-legal justification viewpoints dredged up from all over the place.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Some legal background, courtesy of Mark Levin:

Some brief background: The Foreign Intelligence Security Act permits the government to monitor foreign communications, even if they are with U.S. citizens – 50 USC 1801, et seq. ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36.html ) A FISA warrant is only needed if the subject communications are wholly contained in the United States and involve a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power.

The reason the President probably had to sign an executive order is that the Justice Department office that processes FISA requests, the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR), can take over 6 months to get a standard FISA request approved. It can become extremely bureaucratic, depending on who is handling the request. His executive order is not contrary to FISA if he believed, as he clearly did, that he needed to act quickly. The president has constitutional powers, too.[/quote]

Mark Levin is the BIGGEST right wingnut hack and a winey twerpt too.

Give us all a break BB and go back to the Free Republic and stay.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
A little history, for those who think this program began under Bush…

http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm

Given the date, I guess some of you could be dense enough to think this program sprang forth from Bush within a month of his inauguration…[/quote]

Tenet testified about this and confirmed warrants were obtained for domestic listening.

But, but, but Bubba did it…

ROTFLMFAO!!!

How about ‘but my daddy did it’?

Oh, HW did it…then it is OK then.

Am I the only person here that is a true conservative when it comes to my privacy?

Why do I have to pay taxes to a government that can spy on me without a search warrant?

I would expect this from left wingnut communists and socialists but not from Americans that claim to conservative.

BB, JeffR, RJ…you guys are beyond pathetic.

If a democrat was in the WH you would be screaming from the rooftop along with me.

[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
A little history, for those who think this program began under Bush…

http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm

Given the date, I guess some of you could be dense enough to think this program sprang forth from Bush within a month of his inauguration…

Marmadogg wrote:

Tenet testified about this and confirmed warrants were obtained for domestic listening.

But, but, but Bubba did it…

ROTFLMFAO!!!

How about ‘but my daddy did it’?

Oh, HW did it…then it is OK then.[/quote]

marmadogg,

Why don’t you explain how this violates the 4th Amendment? While you’re at it, why don’t you point me to the right of privacy in the Constitution, hmm?

An excellent, link-rich post on the subject from the proteinwisdom weblog. With so many points I’ll point out that I’m not endorsing all of the post, but the resources linked (which include stuff I’ve put up previously, like Orin Kerr’s analysis) provide some good background on the debate.

At the end of the day, if anyone is claiming to be absolutely certain of what the statutory law is on this - especially without the relevant facts - it must be either marmadogg or a 1L law student… (the constitutional case, on the other hand, seems quite clear):

http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/19555/

NSA kerfuffle: redux (UPDATED)

Drawing on remarks from both the President and the Attorney General yesterday?and on the responses I was reading around the blogosphere ( War Powers | The Mahablog Unclaimed Territory - by Glenn Greenwald: The new "constitutional" excuse for warrantless eavesdropping on Americans ) ?I began to suspect ( http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/19551/ )that the divisions we?re seeing in the debate over executive authority to authorize domestic surveillance is a function not merely of politics, but also of the paradigm through which one choses to view the authorization itself.

Those who are committed to the civil / criminal paradigm?while in some cases conceding that the President probably has the Constitutional authority to authorize wiretaps ?nevertheless seem to believe, with profs Jonathan Turley and Orin Kerr ( The Volokh Conspiracy - Legal Analysis of the NSA Domestic Surveillance Program: ), that it is likely the President has admitted to committing a federal crime (which, to some particularly rabid partisans ( Unclaimed Territory - by Glenn Greenwald: A compendium of White House incoherence regarding its lawless surveillance ; MSN ), rises to the level of an impeachable offense).

Those, however, who are committed to the wartime / military paradigm ( http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/12/catch_them_but_.html#more )believe, along with AG Gonzales and prof Paul Rothstein, that the President?s actions were both Constitutionally and statutorily permissible ( Rice Defends Domestic Eavesdropping - The New York Times ), that FISA was (theoretically, at least) inapposite, and that the bipartisan resolution authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda?tantamount to a declaration of war ( http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=229598&& ) ? gives the President the war time powers ( http://www.law.syr.edu/academics/centers/insct/Military%20Force%20-%20Padilla.asp ) that allow him to circumvent certain FISA requirements (we know, too, that he did “follow requirements for legal review of his orders by consulting with the NSA Legal Counsel and the U.S. Attorney General” ( Intelligence Perspectives by Emily Francona: NSA: Domestic communications intercepts )).

Which is not to say that he did circumvent FISA, itself containing built-in exemptions, and ? in at least some readings of the law ( http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200512190859.asp ) ?makes much of the criticism we?ve been reading to this point dubious, insofar as one?s status as a US Person changes to agent of foreign power once it becomes clear that citizenship was obtained or held for fraudulent purposes, including acting in the interests of a foreign power (which al Qaeda was classified in US v Bin Laden ( http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/civil/index.php?action=showtopic&topicid=2 )).

Meaning the President never authorized spying on American citizens, because American citizens became agents of foreign powers under the law, and so fell under one of the FISA warrantless exemptions.

Even without this reading of the law, however, we would need to know the identity of those who were surveilled in order to know whether the President broke the law under FISA?a point allowed by Kerr in his analysis. Further, because we don?t know how the monitoring was actually done, there are several scenarios in which the technology itself might have forced the President?s hand, as the FISA provisions never foresaw the particular means of monitoring. From commenter MayBee:

[i] […] An ex-NSA agent on CNN speculated this program was most likely an automated system, generated from a communication from a known terrorist and branching out to collect all the numbers that communication reached, then the numbers those numbers called, and so on. Hundreds of communications (or maybe just telephone numbers) intercepted, not all listened to. But too high volume and too instantaneous to make warrants feasible for each.

Just as a warrant wasn't issued for all emails in Echalon, a warrant wouldn't be issued for all of the communications in the new program. Graham could easy see this as a new technology rather than a new policy.

Had this been presented as 'survelliance of terrorists on American soil', politicians would have no reason to CYA. But throw in the words "Spying on Americans" and the denials are going to crawl out of the woodwork.[/i]

(For additional hypotheses about operational reasons for avoiding the FISA process ( http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512191334.asp ), former Navy Seal Matt Heidt offers an explanation here ( http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2005/12/eavesdropping-on-cowards.html ); see also, Defense Tech ( Unauthorized Access )[update: more here ( Collaboration between DefenseTech and LEON )], and Charles Martin ( Flares into Darkness: Following on to the NSA leak ), who spent a number of years doing operational intelligence collection and analysis systems, including classified intel analysis for the DoD).

Nevertheless, in the war time paradigm, the President is authorized to

http://www.law.syr.edu/academics/centers/insct/Military%20Force%20-%20Padilla.asp

[i]use all necessary force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons [...][/i]

…and, as Leon H points out ( http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/12/19/171428/14 ):

[i][...] it would seem rather strange that the use of wiretaps against known Al Qaeda agents would not fall under "all necessary force." As AGAG pointed out in the presser, the SCOTUS has already construed that authorization of force very broadly, to the point that they read it to imply powers not explicitly contained in the authorization even when such a construction directly violated another Federal Statute, 18 U.S.C. 4001(a). (See Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 ( http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1723/ )).

If the SCOTUS authorized the detention of a United States Citizen in direct contravention to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 4001, they would certainly authorize the use of wiretaps in the gathering of foreign intelligence, when such authorization might questionably violate 50 U.S.C. 1802.[/i]

Orin Kerr is dubious about this argument; and while he is much more qualified than am I to make that determination, I?m at a loss to see how?because the information gathered was never meant to be used as evidence in a criminal prosecution?the courts would not allow that the gathering of the intel is in keeping with the President?s broad authority.

Behind the scenes, I?ve received several messages from intelligence folk who assure me that had the NSA had any concerns at all about the legality of the program, the President would not have been able to do what he did?and that the leak most assuredly did not come from that organization (not that it matters: the newly emerging spin from many on the left is that the Bushies shouldn?t “demonize” or “bully” the “truth tellers” ( http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/12/19/ellisboz/ ); perhaps Russ Feingold, once he?s done whittling away at our free speech rights and damning the monarchy, can put in a spirited defense of Scooter Libby ( http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/12/19/dgregfein/ )).

And so the question becomes, what do the Dem partisans have to gain by making an issue out of this?

In my estimation, they have backed the wrong horse: sure, the idea the Republicans are “taking away our privaCy” and “spying on our phone calls” seems, at first blush, to be a powerful cudgel with which to damage the President. But such an argument relies on citizens being too lazy to dig deeper?and on a President unwilling to step before the cameras and make his case forcefully. In other words?the President of the last few months, not of the last few weeks.

Bush has made it clear?and his administration is making sure to get the word out?that those “targeted” for monitoring had ties to actual al Qaeda terrorists, and that ordinary Americans weren’t being monitored; which argument is forcing the progressive Dems and civil libertarian purists to retreat hypotheticals and accusations of misuse that they can only charge, but cannot prove.

It is likewise forcing Democratic leaders to claim, once again, that they were briefed ( http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_12_18_corner-archive.asp#085102 ; Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts - The New York Times ) (although some are arguing they were not), but that they came away from the briefings confused and unable to stop the evil Bushies from forcing their will on the hapless good guys?neither of which, I think, will sell to the American people.

As Tom Maguire has pointed out, the New York Times, who first broke the story (over a year ago?but hey, who?s counting?), is now helping the Dems massage the narrative by walking back some of its earlier revelations:

[i]David Sanger ( http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/politics/18bush.html?ei=5090&en=75fbe6fd2590910f&ex=1292562000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print )of the NY Times wrote this on Sunday in paragraph eight:

Mr. Bush?s public confirmation on Saturday of the existence of one of the country?s most secret intelligence programs, which had been known to only a select number of his aides...

On Friday, the Times story included a much wider circle ( http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?ei=5090&en=e32072d786623ac1&ex=1292389200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print ), including Congressional leaders and the judges who oversaw the FISA program.  Now we are down to Bush and a few of his select aides.  By Wednesday, I bet it will be George wearing the headphones while Laura transcribes the tapes.[/i]

But no matter: when all is said and done, I think the American people?particularly when they hear that the program has actually thwarted attacks?will conclude that of course the President acted appropriately, and that, because he went through the proper requirements for legal review?was acting in good faith and in the best interests of the country he was elected to defend.

As Bullmoose notes ( Bull Moose – More Moose, Less Bull ):

[i] […] as of yet, there is no clear evidence that [the Bushies] broke the law. Lawyers will endlessly debate the legitimaCy of the Administration?s citing of the Al Quaeda force resolution for authorization. Moreover, there was a legitimate concern that an open debate about modifications in the FISA law could have alerted our enemies that their calls were detected. And does anyone seriously believe that the targets of these calls were anyone else than potential security threats? There is absolutely no evidence that this was a “Nixonian” enemies list witch hunt.

Now that the controversy is out in the open, Democrats and Republicans should work together to improve and clarify the law rather than seeking retribution for past misunderstandings. The bottom line should be strengthening our national security while maintaining our liberties to the fullest extent possible.

What we do know is that we have not suffered another attack on the Homeland since 9/11. That is a miraculous fact. And President Bush should be applauded for protecting the country rather than excoriated, to say nothing of impeachment which is on the lips of some Democrats.

We also know that, while there have been excesses here and there, our fundamental freedoms have not been infringed since the first massive assault on the homeland by foreign enemies since the War of 1812. Certainly, we have not suffered an abrogation of our liberties anything near the scale of Lincoln?s suspension of habeas corpus or FDR?s relocation camps.

We are at war with a Jihadist enemy who wants us and our families dead. It is not clear that some of our elites recognize that fact or care any more. And some on the left fear that President Bush is a greater threat to our nation?s security and liberties than the Jihadists.

If the ACLU is upset about the Patriot Act, fine, It is their job to push the outside of the envelope. But it is another thing when a Party almost unanimously obstructs its reauthorization over minor objections after significant compromises have been achieved. And it does not provide any solace that Larry Craig and John Sununu were on the Democrats? side.

When it comes to the War Against Terror, there is no room for right wing or left wing libertarianism. Of course, we should guard our freedoms and be vigilant for excesses. But, our robust democraCy is not endanger. If international phone calls by terrorist suspects were monitored, good and fine. What is in question is whether some of our elites continue to believe that we are actually at war with a devious foe. Memories of 9/11 are fading and many act as if the threat has gone away.

On the political front, in the past month, there has been a systematic effort at self-branding by the Democratic Party, and it is not good. From the defeatist Iraq talk to the obstruction on the Patriot Act, the donkey is effectively ?rebranding? and ?framing? itself as weak on national security. George Lakoff should be proud! Rather than the 2006 election being about the GOP? s weak ethics, it may be about the Democrat?s anemic defense credentials.

We live in a period that is similar to the Cold War in that there is an over-riding national security threat. The fundamental political and poliCy question is which party will the American people trust to defend the country and their families?[/i]

One of the concerns Americans have for the future of the country is the perception of an activist court taking away our democratic rights by judicial fiat. Tied to this is the idea that lawyers run the country, and that the most dangerous threat to our freedoms come not from elected politicians, who can be replaced, but rather by attorneys and judges.

The Dems are putting themselves in a position just now to argue that what will no doubt be seen as legal technicalities?and those points are in dispute, even!?should have prevented him from taking steps necessary to protect the homeland, steps that DID in fact protect us. And by extension, they will be arguing that as a group they would have worried more about a contentious legal battle over a now unworkable statute (getting warrants on automated phone chains?which it is not clear were even legally necessary, provided the AG gave notice?would have been impossible) than they would have about taking bold actions to protect the country, knowing that we are indeed at war.

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating here: just because some Dem elites don?t believe we are actually “at war”?preferring instead to think of terrorism as essentially a law enforcement problem that can be well-handled within the purview of the criminal justice system?that doesn?t mean we are not, in fact, at war.? Otherwise, their authorization of the use of force against al Qaeda could be seen as cynical at best and disengenuous at worst.

As Dale Franks argues ( http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3119 ) in his rebuttal of fellow QandA contributor Jon Henke ( http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3106 ):

[i]Where the problem would come in?and I think it?s the only area that would be problematic?would be if the president was conducting the warrantless surveillance of citizens who could not, in fact, be shown to have contact with hostile foreign powers. Or, conversely, if these surveillance wiretaps were to be introduced as evicence in a criminal proceeding. In that case, I think the warrantless wiretaps would certainly have to be thrown out.

Absent that, it seems to me that the relevant case law ( http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=343&invol=579 ), while not precisely on point, gives the president an excellent argument in support of his actions to conduct such surveillance, purely for intelligence-gathering purposes.[/i]

On several fronts, then, the legal question is murky (and the paradigm you choose will affect the degree of murkiness you see)?but there should be no doubt that, wherever you come down on that front, simply that there is a compelling legal argument to be made on the President?s behalf, coupled with the fact that he acted on the advise of counsel, engaged in 45 day oversight reviews with the FISA Court, and briefed congressional leaders, will be enough to militate in the President?s favor. When all the facts come out, the Dems will look either weak or confused ( http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_12_18_corner-archive.asp#085110 ) ? and worst of all, they will have tied themselves, in the public mind, to the leakers.

Which is why today we are seeing such a furious attempt to paint the leakers as “truth tellers” combatting the excesses of a rogue administration.

But it won?t fly. And once again, the Democratic leadership has painted itself into an undesireable corner. Should they press the issue, things will only get worse, I predict?unless, of course, the Administration truly was misusing the surveillance for unrelated domestic purposes, an idea that depends on a wide ranging conspiraCy that only takes place in the minds of the most feverishly deluded anti-Bush progressives.


Great roundups on the subject from Michelle Malkin ( Michelle Malkin Archive - The Unz Review ), Glenn Reynolds ( Instapundit ), and Tom Maguire ( http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/12/nsa_eavesdroppi.html ).

More legal discussion from Marty Lederman ( Balkinization: Which Is It, Mr. President? ) and Ann Althouse ( Althouse: About those wiretaps and the constitutional separation of powers. ).

See also, the American Thinker ( http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3970 ) [which harkens back to the Carter EO for electronic surveillance ( EO 12139 - EXERCISE OF CERTAIN AUTHORITY RESPECTING ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE ) I noted previously ( ]; for additional background, refer back to this earlier post: http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/19547/.

related: Dean Esmay (on Rockefeller) ( http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1135073429.shtml ); neo-neocon (on the intelligence “wall”)( neo-neocon: Able Danger and the firewall: getting some perspective ).

And here’s Byron York, from “Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches” ( http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp ):

[i]In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has "inherent authority" to order physical searches ? including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens ? for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own.

"The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes," Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, "and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General."

"It is important to understand," Gorelick continued, "that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities."

Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against "a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."

Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline ? on page A-19 ? read, "Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches." The story began, "The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers."

In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intelligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. ?"ntelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise," Gorelick said. "Information gathering for poliCy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus."[/i]

update: More, from INDC Journal ( http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/002238.php )

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:

Mark Levin is the BIGGEST right wingnut hack and a winey twerpt too.

Give us all a break BB and go back to the Free Republic and stay.

[/quote]

marmadogg,

I hope you have some sort of proof for slandering the poor fellow as a drunkard.

But thanks for offering your normal amount of thoughtful analysis to the subject.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:

Mark Levin is the BIGGEST right wingnut hack and a winey twerpt too.

Give us all a break BB and go back to the Free Republic and stay.

marmadogg,

I hope you have some sort of proof for slandering the poor fellow as a drunkard.

But thanks for offering your normal amount of thoughtful analysis to the subject.[/quote]

Whiney…just like you.

And thus comes marmadogg with his witty retort. Nanny nanny boo boo to you too.