Bulking? - How Much Is Too Much?

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
conner wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Hell, there’s probably a reason we don’t see much from writers like Cy Willson. Could the current crop of fanboys even get his articles?

What ever happened to that guy? He wrote some really great stuff.

I imagine the official story will be that he’s too busy working in the lab to write articles. My own opinion is that he’s too smart for the current crop of readers.

That’s also why, imho, we don’t see anything from Bill Roberts. Or really anyone who can write about complex and relevant scientific subjects. There’d be an implosion of the fanboys’ “minds.”[/quote]

And it’s really a damn shame…I used to love the articles here, and, though some are still good, I find myself generally skimming (or skipping altogether) because they strike me as being “more of the same.”

That’s what actually prompted me to get a name and start looking/posting in the forums in the first place.

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[quote]TC wrote:
The overwhelming majority of people who get paid to train athletes don’t believe in mass eating.

It pains me to say this, but I’ve seen so many great physiques ruined by people on this site.

These “food enablers” often urge young athletes to gorge themselves, thereby accruing pounds and pounds of useless fat and even developing new fat cells which they’ll carry around with them forever.

A thousand calories at dinner is not a big deal, but please don’t buy into the mindset that you have to eat that many at every meal.[/quote]

Alright Mr. Luoma,
ya got me goin now. Please do not mistake this post as having a chip on my shoulder, but where, at least in the last year or so are these so called food enablers who delight in inducing obesity and PRAY TELL, I beg of thee, where are the overindulged ruined physiques?

If there has been any overstatement at all it’s because by and large trying to get these young athletes to consume more than a toddler in a commune is like talking to a soapdish, only not quite as receptive.

Seriously boss, your point would be well taken if this was actually going on. Maybe it is and some of us just haven’t seen it, but I hang out here a fair bit and aside from guys like Friedrice for whom any amount of food would be acceptable before he disappears, I don’t see this “eat with unleashed abandon” advice.

I intend the preceding with all due respect as this is your house after all.

EDIT:

I have to throw this in. My fanboy accusation resistant helmet is strapped on tight. Let’s not kid ourselves about the fact that Professor X is the unofficial bulkomatic deluxe around here and that he is the primary intended target, for a lack of a better term, of the above.

He and I have bumped foreheads on occasion and as I’ve said in the past, he doesn’t handle every situation the way I would.

However I can vouch for the fact that he has repeatedly stated himself as well as agree with me regarding the idea of gaining more fat than necessary while bulking.

A case in point was a thread just the other day where a very young guy was corrected about his mistaken notion about this very thing, by being told that he did not have to get fat to make optimal gains.

It is true that folks nowadays have difficulty escaping extremes.

This is from last September. Even then, when I was new here, I knew what he was talking about.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1281385

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The best advice I have ever followed was simply “eat to be big”

Now, I ate Mcdonalds, I ate burrito’s, I ate like crap sometimes, and I ate A TON of food. What most would consider a terrible diet worked perfectly for me. Yes, I gained a little fat, but not too much.

I got up to about 217 and had gained a very small amount of fat. Its taken me… like what, maybe a month to shred all that off. Im down to a very lean 198 right now. I’ll carry this till the end of summer, then I plan on getting up to at least 230 this winter. And by plan, I mean, gain by any means necessary.

The only reason I dieted this summer was because I wanted to do it with my girlfriend, and I figured it would help her stay on track while gaining a decent grasp on the “whys” of eating the way one should, or eating for ones goals

You act like prof x is telling people to just get fat, like they wont be able to tell when they are gaining more fat than is necessary. I wouldn’t advise anyone to blindly follow his advice or any author from this sites either. Though, I did basically blindly follow “eat to be big” and you know what, it worked. Everyone is different though.

Losing fat is such a simple task compared to gaining a serious amount of muscle. Thats the way I look at it.

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They told him don’t you ever come around here
Don’t wanna eat your food, your muscles disappear
The fire’s in their eyes and their words are really clear
So eat it, just eat it

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[quote]lazyaxus11 wrote:
The best advice I have ever followed was simply “eat to be big”

Now, I ate Mcdonalds, I ate burrito’s, I ate like crap sometimes, and I ate A TON of food. What most would consider a terrible diet worked perfectly for me. Yes, I gained a little fat, but not too much.

I got up to about 217 and had gained a very small amount of fat. Its taken me… like what, maybe a month to shred all that off. Im down to a very lean 198 right now. I’ll carry this till the end of summer, then I plan on getting up to at least 230 this winter. And by plan, I mean, gain by any means necessary.

The only reason I dieted this summer was because I wanted to do it with my girlfriend, and I figured it would help her stay on track while gaining a decent grasp on the “whys” of eating the way one should, or eating for ones goals

You act like prof x is telling people to just get fat, like they wont be able to tell when they are gaining more fat than is necessary. I wouldn’t advise anyone to blindly follow his advice or any author from this sites either. Though, I did basically blindly follow “eat to be big” and you know what, it worked. Everyone is different though.

Losing fat is such a simple task compared to gaining a serious amount of muscle. Thats the way I look at it.[/quote]

Apparently, there is no one else like you out there and everyone else is simply becoming bed ridden by that advice.

I honestly think people will see what they WANT to see. I can type one thing and people will simply read into it and see something else no matter what.

I would, however, like for someone to show me one quote of mine telling someone to completely disregard what they eat and attempt to simply gain as much fat as possible.

If this can’t be found, what are the chances at an apology?

“Food enabler”? I’ve seen it all.

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All I have to say is that, as a college athlete myself, it is almost impossible for me to gain weight in-season. I mean, 2-hour practices or competitions (which are longer than that when you include pre-game warmup) every day, 2-4 “voluntary” lifting and/or conditioning sessions per week, walking a couple miles per day to classes and the occasional nighttime “cardio” session… that’s a lot of energy expenditure.

Not to mention most 18-22 year olds have jacked-up metabolisms as it is. Shit, after matches we usually head down to the Qdoba near us and I put down 3 of those burritos in one sitting. I’m pretty sure each has like 1,000 calories.

Just eat like a horse and if you start to put on unwanted fat, just cut back on the food a little or add extra conditioning work. I don’t think diet is really all that complicated.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
All I have to say is that, as a college athlete myself, it is almost impossible for me to gain weight in-season. I mean, 2-hour practices or competitions (which are longer than that when you include pre-game warmup) every day, 2-4 “voluntary” lifting and/or conditioning sessions per week, walking a couple miles per day to classes and the occasional nighttime “cardio” session… that’s a lot of energy expenditure.

Not to mention most 18-22 year olds have jacked-up metabolisms as it is. Shit, after matches we usually head down to the Qdoba near us and I put down 3 of those burritos in one sitting. I’m pretty sure each has like 1,000 calories.

Just eat like a horse and if you start to put on unwanted fat, just cut back on the food a little or add extra conditioning work. I don’t think diet is really all that complicated.[/quote]

Yet another “food enabler”.

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if you don’t puke after dinner from eating too much, you are cool.

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