Bulking Goal

Pharma
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Hi Guys,

This is actually my first post on T-Nation so thanks for having a read through it, any advice or criticism is welcome.

So I ran a (filler) in October 13’ which was a very low and mild dose consisting of:

Test Cypionate - 400mg per week for 10 weeks.
Nandrolone (NPP) - 200mg per week for 10 weeks.

With amazing results and I do mean amazing which is surprising for such a low dose, Anyway my goal is to get bigger than what I’m currently at. My stats are 6 foot 2 and 92kg (202lbs) very lean, however I want to get to between 105kg and 110kg and maintain that weight and then lean out.

I’m not looking for a cycle that will make this happen over night cause its gonna take a LOT of hard work and training.

My training, eating and sleeping are all in check but I’m wondering what the best cycle would be to help me with this, I’ve been looking around and I’m hearing mixed things between Deca, Tren and EQ.

My original plan was to go for the following cycle:

Test Enan - 800mg per week for 12 weeks.
Deca - 600mg per week for 12 weeks.
Dbol - 40mg to 50mg for first 6 weeks.
Adex - 1mg every other day for the whole cycle.

Followed by a solid PCT.

So what do you guys think? as I said I’m open to ideas, I’m aiming to get a fram as big as Cedric McMillan over the next 5 years, which in off-season he’s about 280lbs and pre-contest he’s 245lb which is a nice weight, we’re both the same height so hopefully I can carry the weight just as good.

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[quote]ChrisCon wrote:
Hi Guys,

This is actually my first post on T-Nation so thanks for having a read through it, any advice or criticism is welcome.

So I ran a (filler) in October 13’ which was a very low and mild dose consisting of:

Test Cypionate - 400mg per week for 10 weeks.
Nandrolone (NPP) - 200mg per week for 10 weeks.

With amazing results and I do mean amazing which is surprising for such a low dose, Anyway my goal is to get bigger than what I’m currently at. My stats are 6 foot 2 and 92kg (202lbs) very lean, however I want to get to between 105kg and 110kg and maintain that weight and then lean out.

I’m not looking for a cycle that will make this happen over night cause its gonna take a LOT of hard work and training.

My training, eating and sleeping are all in check but I’m wondering what the best cycle would be to help me with this, I’ve been looking around and I’m hearing mixed things between Deca, Tren and EQ.

My original plan was to go for the following cycle:

Test Enan - 800mg per week for 12 weeks.
Deca - 600mg per week for 12 weeks.
Dbol - 40mg to 50mg for first 6 weeks.
Adex - 1mg every other day for the whole cycle.

Followed by a solid PCT.

So what do you guys think? as I said I’m open to ideas, I’m aiming to get a fram as big as Cedric McMillan over the next 5 years, which in off-season he’s about 280lbs and pre-contest he’s 245lb which is a nice weight, we’re both the same height so hopefully I can carry the weight just as good.
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You cannot look like an IFBB pro, unless you cycle liek one. That means insane amounts of AAS (you are not even close with what you mentioned), a fuckload of GH and insulin, and never coming off. Seriously, after a certain point, when you come off, you lose EVERYTHING. Been there, done that. So keep that in mind. How old are you?

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Hey Nik,

I’m 29, I’ve got a nice bit a size on me and I’m lean which is a plus, I don’t mind losing it during a bulk which is going to happen regardless.

Looking like an IFBB pro would be an amazing achievement and I know you can’t look like one unless you cycle like one, putting 8+iu’s oh HGH in your system and every other AAS under the sun, however I do want to get a nice size and see how far two cycles a year will get me, I don’t mind what recommendations are given just to see what I can achieve.

As I said before that cycle of 400 test and 200 NPP was just a filler, nothing else.

Lets assume I was going to go in to competition (I.E. one of the smaller ones) what cycles prepare you for pro level cycle?

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oh god my sides

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The only way to EVER be prepared for apro level cycle is to run 1254Mg test a week, 1015.7Mg tren a week with 7.8iu hgh a day shot exactly 2.5 milimeters from the belly button. but you have to follow this protocal exacly to the miligram or else you won’t be ready. You can thank me later.

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LOL I agree this is quite funny. Still, I think I get what he means. Thing is, no one is really “prepared” for a pro level cycle, you don’t reach a certain stage and a group of 300lbers pat you on the back and say “it is time” - pros just use whatever they feel will get them in the best contest shape, they don’t give a fuck if they are “ready”.

In reality, you don’t aim to turn pro so you should probably care more about your health than they ever will - do not look to them for cycles/usage guidelines. If a low dose cycle gave amazing results in your opinion, you will be impressed by what a cycle like the one you wrote out would give. More AAS = better gains, but you can look great on lower doses - just not pro level.

I say get on the test/deca/dbol as planned and see what you think. If you aren’t pleased, consider upping it, but as you are someone who was impressed by 400test/200deca, I imagine you will be satisfied for the time being.

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Lol alright, maybe I should have worded this a bit different lol I’ll try again.

My goal is to be bigger than what I am, the actual weight issue means nothing to me, its only numbers on a scale but I’m 6 foot 2 so figured I’ll look fairly decent.

As for the cycle I agree that pros live on them which can’t be good for their bodies at all.

I’ll cycle maybe once or twice a year and as I was saying I was considering the test/deca/dbol in a 12 week cycle however I’ve herd you could do test/deca/tren and dbol in a 20 week cycle which I think would put on a LOT of size and still remain fairly lean.

Along the lines of this:

Weeks 1 to 20 - Test Enanthate - 700mg (or 800mg) per week
Weeks 1 to 12 - Deca - 600mg per week
Weeks 1 to 6 - Dbol - 40mg per day
Weeks 12 to 20 - Tren Enanthate (not sure what dose would be best)

What do you think Dragon?

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If your honestly going to run al that you might as well run the Tren at 500 id run Ace though just to be safe atleast the first few weeks see how you take to it.Recommend dropping the Dbol as well in favor of a Test Prop kick start at about 50-75mg daily. Would be a damn good kick start with the Tren Ace.

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Hey Reed, I think it would be a good cycle to run but wanted to get advice from people to hear their thoughts on it. I could lower the weeks and switch it up abit.

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If you plan to come off and with your goals in mind, I think 16 weeks would be better, possibly:
1-16
Test E 750mg/wk
1-8
NPP 500mg/wk
9-16
Tren A 500mg/wk
1-4, 13-17
Dbol 40mg/day

That is, if you want to use these compounds. Tren isn’t necessary though. Another option with the orals is to combine anadrol and dbol (~50mg Adrol + 20mg Dbol) - this would be good if you wanted to cut the tren and just run test/deca. Say:
1-16
Test E 750mg
1-14
Deca 600mg
12-16
Dbol + Drol @ 20/50

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[quote]ChrisCon wrote:
I’m aiming to get a fram as big as Cedric McMillan over the next 5 years, which in off-season he’s about 280lbs and pre-contest he’s 245lb which is a nice weight, we’re both the same height so hopefully I can carry the weight just as good.
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this was my favorite part… Op is clueless so i will help Op out.

cycle is blast/cruise… this is an 18 week blast

weeks 1-6

test E 1500mg/week
deca 800mg/week

weeks 7-12

test E 1750mg/week
tren E 1g/week

weeks 13-18

test E 2000mg/week
EQ 600mg/week
deca 800g/week

AI’s and other ancillaries included of course

novalin R 15iu 3x/day 3 times per week (on big body part days), metformin 250 per meal on 2 off days/week

hgh at least 4iu ED

rotate dbol/drol/m1t in and out every 4 weeks with heavy liver, kidney, and blood pressure support

  • lots of and lots food, heavy training, and sleep

good luck Op, and btw, Cedric is well over 300lbs in off season

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Yeah, if you want to go all the way to looking like Cedric McMillan then that’s the type of usage you’re looking at. It really depends how serious you are and what you want to risk.
To be honest, I think blast and cruise is actually a better (and in some cases healthier) option than cycling for most long-term users anyway, so by all means consider it if you plan on using AAS long-term.

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[quote]Dementeddragon wrote:
If you plan to come off and with your goals in mind, I think 16 weeks would be better, possibly:
1-16
Test E 750mg/wk
1-8
NPP 500mg/wk
9-16
Tren A 500mg/wk
1-4, 13-17
Dbol 40mg/day

That is, if you want to use these compounds. Tren isn’t necessary though. Another option with the orals is to combine anadrol and dbol (~50mg Adrol + 20mg Dbol) - this would be good if you wanted to cut the tren and just run test/deca. Say:
1-16
Test E 750mg
1-14
Deca 600mg
12-16
Dbol + Drol @ 20/50[/quote]

To be honest the comment re Cedric Mc was probably more visual than the actual weight, being 6’2" I think the cycle dragon threw up would be a very solid cycle and would probably help put on a lot of weight. I’m looking to put on size but keep some definition a very nice lean bulk and that was partly the reason to add Tren in. So would dbol / drol be better than keeping the tren in?

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ChrisCon wrote:
I’m aiming to get a fram as big as Cedric McMillan over the next 5 years, which in off-season he’s about 280lbs and pre-contest he’s 245lb which is a nice weight, we’re both the same height so hopefully I can carry the weight just as good.
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this was my favorite part… Op is clueless so i will help Op out.

cycle is blast/cruise… this is an 18 week blast

weeks 1-6

test E 1500mg/week
deca 800mg/week

weeks 7-12

test E 1750mg/week
tren E 1g/week

weeks 13-18

test E 2000mg/week
EQ 600mg/week
deca 800g/week

AI’s and other ancillaries included of course

novalin R 15iu 3x/day 3 times per week (on big body part days), metformin 250 per meal on 2 off days/week

hgh at least 4iu ED

rotate dbol/drol/m1t in and out every 4 weeks with heavy liver, kidney, and blood pressure support

  • lots of and lots food, heavy training, and sleep

good luck Op, and btw, Cedric is well over 300lbs in off season
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Yeah that’s a pretty heavy cycle but when you’ve got that many cycles under your belt and your able to deal with the sides / health risks it’s probably easier to cope with it. I have to be realistic with my goals and I’m at 202 currently even if I could get to 250 and keep it there, that would be fantastic and wouldn’t require a cycle like you just mentioned would it?

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[quote]ChrisCon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ChrisCon wrote:
I’m aiming to get a fram as big as Cedric McMillan over the next 5 years, which in off-season he’s about 280lbs and pre-contest he’s 245lb which is a nice weight, we’re both the same height so hopefully I can carry the weight just as good.
[/quote]

this was my favorite part… Op is clueless so i will help Op out.

cycle is blast/cruise… this is an 18 week blast

weeks 1-6

test E 1500mg/week
deca 800mg/week

weeks 7-12

test E 1750mg/week
tren E 1g/week

weeks 13-18

test E 2000mg/week
EQ 600mg/week
deca 800g/week

AI’s and other ancillaries included of course

novalin R 15iu 3x/day 3 times per week (on big body part days), metformin 250 per meal on 2 off days/week

hgh at least 4iu ED

rotate dbol/drol/m1t in and out every 4 weeks with heavy liver, kidney, and blood pressure support

  • lots of and lots food, heavy training, and sleep

good luck Op, and btw, Cedric is well over 300lbs in off season
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Yeah that’s a pretty heavy cycle but when you’ve got that many cycles under your belt and your able to deal with the sides / health risks it’s probably easier to cope with it. I have to be realistic with my goals and I’m at 202 currently even if I could get to 250 and keep it there, that would be fantastic and wouldn’t require a cycle like you just mentioned would it?
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impossible to say…i dont know how well you respond to gear. but 250 pounds and lean? i would highly doubt it

i figure it would be safe to assume that most people do not understand how much it takes to become an IFBB pro these days… bodybuilding is often referred to as “chemical warfare”…which is very accurate…

people think they can be massive with low doses…it just doesnt work that way. steroids are the biggest part of bodybuilding, then comes diet, then training… people tend to forget that