[quote]cyph31 wrote:
looks like the anti-fat/high carb dogma people are trolling the forums more these days[/quote]
Oh don’t get me wrong, I don’t view carbs as the Rosie O’donnell of nutrients either. I should mention that I do take in carbs and protein post workout.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Oats do not lower ldl.
Vitamins do not lower ldl.
Saturated Fats do not raise ldl.
Dietary cholesterol does not raise ldl.
Having poor carbohydrate tolerance and poor insulin sensitivity(Read: Being a fatass) leads to increased ldl.
Stop eating so many carbohydrates, consume significant* amounts of EPA and DHA(Fish Oil is not the same thing as omega-3 is not the same thing as EPA and DHA).
Eat appropriate* amounts a soluble and insoluble fiber and include balanced* fatty acid intake in your diet.
*what is significant, appropriate, and balanced is a few dozen hours of research and several separate threads worth of questions and answers.
“WHY” is several hundreds of hours of research AT LEAST
Luckily, you have the internets including, of course, T-Nation at your disposal.
Good luck.[/quote]
Excellent post.
A lot of dangerous replies.
I’ve been through high cholesterol and my doc put me on Lipitor. I was on for 60 days and had some decrease. I told my doc that I wasn’t going to take it and see what I could do with diet and exercise alone. I cut full time junk, carbs (ie processed carbs), and sugars out. I ate starchy carbs from potatoes and corn in moderation and fruit in moderation as well as cutting cals and ramping up lifting and exercise.
Dietary cholesterol, fats, and whole food carbs are your friends-- period. Some of us like to call them “food”.
Honestly, the pics you posted look like you have a pot belly, sorry. I’m guessing you really clean up the diet and ramp up the exercise will help.
Again, you need to work with your doctor and monitor your bloodwork numbers. I’m gaining some pretty good size and strength now at the ripe old age of 37. But, guess what? If my cholesterol starts soaring, my ass is losing fat. “Bigteen”-inch arms are not worth heart attack or stroke at any age.
Don’t fuck with your health. Why would you solicit advice from anonymous 18 year olds on the Internet, anyway? Ironically, as I type this, I ask, why should you listen to me?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
TooHuman wrote:
Oats do not lower ldl.
Vitamins do not lower ldl.
Saturated Fats do not raise ldl.
Dietary cholesterol does not raise ldl.
Having poor carbohydrate tolerance and poor insulin sensitivity(Read: Being a fatass) leads to increased ldl.
Stop eating so many carbohydrates, consume significant* amounts of EPA and DHA(Fish Oil is not the same thing as omega-3 is not the same thing as EPA and DHA).
Eat appropriate* amounts a soluble and insoluble fiber and include balanced* fatty acid intake in your diet.
*what is significant, appropriate, and balanced is a few dozen hours of research and several separate threads worth of questions and answers.
“WHY” is several hundreds of hours of research AT LEAST
Luckily, you have the internets including, of course, T-Nation at your disposal.
Good luck.
Excellent post.
A lot of dangerous replies.
I’ve been through high cholesterol and my doc put me on Lipitor. I was on for 60 days and had some decrease. I told my doc that I wasn’t going to take it and see what I could do with diet and exercise alone. I cut full time junk, carbs (ie processed carbs), and sugars out. I ate starchy carbs from potatoes and corn in moderation and fruit in moderation as well as cutting cals and ramping up lifting and exercise.
Dietary cholesterol, fats, and whole food carbs are your friends-- period. Some of us like to call them “food”.
Honestly, the pics you posted look like you have a pot belly, sorry. I’m guessing you really clean up the diet and ramp up the exercise will help.
Again, you need to work with your doctor and monitor your bloodwork numbers. I’m gaining some pretty good size and strength now at the ripe old age of 37. But, guess what? If my cholesterol starts soaring, my ass is losing fat. “Bigteen”-inch arms are not worth heart attack or stroke at any age.
Don’t fuck with your health. Why would you solicit advice from anonymous 18 year olds on the Internet, anyway? Ironically, as I type this, I ask, why should you listen to me?[/quote]
Cutting calories will not help me to get bigger or stronger which is why I asked at the start what could I do to help lower my cholesterol without sacrificing size necessarily.
I also mentioned that I don’t eat empty calories like candy, chips or donuts. I think you are under the impression that I eat more cheat foods than I let on which is not the case.
And as far as soliciting advice from eighteen year olds, who said I was looking to do that? I know to take certain advice with a grain of salt and that not all advice will be spot on necessarily. However, from all the reading that I do here, I do know there are experienced lifters who do chime in from time to time with great advice given to me and others and that has helped me to get bigger.
Reading the “All powerlifters are fatties” thread awhile back was helpful to me as well in order to get over the stigma of worrying about a belly while bulking
update 2 - got my bloodwork copy and triglycerides were 137 which is a little higher than I would like but it is still at the <150 is normal marker.
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
Cutting calories will not help me to get bigger or stronger which is why I asked at the start what could I do to help lower my cholesterol without sacrificing size necessarily.
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Where in my post did I say cut calories?? You most likely don’t need to cut calories, maybe you do.
Fair enough. You also said you have high cholesterol. So, something needs to change, no? Again, you and your doc should figure out what’s best.
Also fair enough. Mind you “experienced lifters” and “powerlifters” are not necessarily “experts in cholesterol maintenance”-- perhaps have battled high cholesterol and might have some insight as to what helped or is helping them. Their solution is not necessarily your best solution.
No one is saying to worry about a ‘bulk belly’. I said I thought you had a bit of a belly meaning, yes, you are carrying some fat. That’s fine, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you do or not— however, bulk belly or fat belly, it’s associated with high cholesterol. Maybe not in your case, but maybe so. THAT’s what I’m saying.
Talk to your doctor.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Cutting calories will not help me to get bigger or stronger which is why I asked at the start what could I do to help lower my cholesterol without sacrificing size necessarily.
Where in my post did I say cut calories?? You most likely don’t need to cut calories, maybe you do.
I also mentioned that I don’t eat empty calories like candy, chips or donuts. I think you are under the impression that I eat more cheat foods than I let on which is not the case.
Fair enough. You also said you have high cholesterol. So, something needs to change, no? Again, you and your doc should figure out what’s best.
And as far as soliciting advice from eighteen year olds, who said I was looking to do that? I know to take certain advice with a grain of salt and that not all advice will be spot on necessarily. However, from all the reading that I do here, I do know there are experienced lifters who do chime in from time to time with great advice given to me and others and that has helped me to get bigger.
Reading the “All powerlifters are fatties” thread awhile back was helpful to me as well in order to get over the stigma of worrying about a belly while bulking
Also fair enough. Mind you “experienced lifters” and “powerlifters” are not necessarily “experts in cholesterol maintenance”-- perhaps have battled high cholesterol and might have some insight as to what helped or is helping them. Their solution is not necessarily your best solution.
No one is saying to worry about a ‘bulk belly’. I said I thought you had a bit of a belly meaning, yes, you are carrying some fat. That’s fine, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you do or not— however, bulk belly or fat belly, it’s associated with high cholesterol. Maybe not in your case, but maybe so. THAT’s what I’m saying.
Talk to your doctor.
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One of my original concerns I brought up earlier was since something in my diet would need to change or be reduced (possibly the sat. fats), I posed the question wondering and asked for suggestions where the other calories would have to come from in order to make up for the reduction.
One poster said unsaturated fats and I was not sure if you agreed with that because you just said a lot of “dangerous replies” in one post without really saying why.
Yes I do have high cholesterol but that is not because I eat cake, chips, or donuts or because my routine needs to be ramped up necessarily. It could be because I need to add some aerobic/cardio to the mix and/or reduce the sat. fats and finally, maybe lose some weight if the other stuff doesn’t lower the cholesterol.
I wasn’t implying that I was just asking powerlifters for advice but other bulkers who have had the same issue.
My diet is not to the point where it can’t be managed and that is why I get routinely checked - to make sure that my health is not getting out of hand. Nip it in the bud yo.
I appreciate your time. I think it is more now about tweaking things and getting a follow up in three months. I was just looking for suggestions on this thread in order to get additional ideas.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Saturated Fats do not raise ldl.
Dietary cholesterol does not raise ldl.
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This is simply not true dude.
Dietary cholesterol USUALLY doesn’t have an effect on cholesterol. Except when it does.
The same for saturated fats except issues are much more common. Saturated fats have the potential to change how well or poorly your liver processes stuff.
Once again, huge individual variance. Some people can eat all they want and others cannot.
Here is a fairly comprehensive review on saturated fat, well worth a read in my opinion:
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
update 2 - got my bloodwork copy and triglycerides were 137 which is a little higher than I would like but it is still at the <150 is normal marker.[/quote]
=)
[quote]actionjeff wrote:
TooHuman wrote:
Saturated Fats do not raise ldl.
Dietary cholesterol does not raise ldl.
This is simply not true dude.
Dietary cholesterol USUALLY doesn’t have an effect on cholesterol. Except when it does.
The same for saturated fats except issues are much more common. Saturated fats have the potential to change how well or poorly your liver processes stuff.
Once again, huge individual variance. Some people can eat all they want and others cannot.
Here is a fairly comprehensive review on saturated fat, well worth a read in my opinion:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/3/550
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Thanks for that article - it was very informative. The funny part was after all that reading was the simple conclusion; “Therefore, the influence of varying saturated fatty acid intakes against a background of different individual lifestyles and genetic backgrounds should also be considered”.
Ok.
Update. So far I have cut out any pizza or whoppers, reduced the amount of eggs and added wild salmon at least twice a week, upped the fish oil caps and brown rice. I still have red meat and whole milk because it is easy to get the calories from whole milk and liquid shakes. I know that having a slice of pizza here and there is not necessarily a bad thing but I felt like doing it this way to see what would happen.
My weight now is 242. Obviously I am not gaining as rapidly each month but my strength gains are still increasing and my cholesterol has gone down to 204. I did add half hour cardio once or twice a week right after my results a few months ago but I noticed that I began losing weight very fast which I didn’t want to do so I dropped it for now.
I still get a lot of my cardio from two hour drum practices a couple of times a week.