Imagine living in the world where most people were homosexuals yet you weren’t.[/quote]
Hold on…okay I have the image…okay now what?
No, I would be wondering why everyone suddenly turned into homosexuals.
And if you are saying that homosexuals are walking around depressed because society frowns on them…I’m not buyinhg it~
Society frowns on many groups and not one of those groups has the emotional problems of homosexuals.
It could be that they are depressed because they feel lonely as their lifestyle is unstable and filled with …never mind…you get the idea.
This just gets more funny as I read it
Did you know that most homosexuals could not care less about gay marriage?
No you probably didn’t know that did you?
Check the polls…
Now this post is getting ridiculous!
Do you realize exactly how many sex partners that (the typical) homosexual man has? And they will have sex with both men and women by the way. Just ask forlife.
You don’t want me to post all of the stats again do you?
They’re having so much sex they hardly have time to eat.
Why do you think that 65% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men? Do you think they got that way from playing checkers?
And of course, as I pointed out earlier, more straight men perform anal sex than gay men.[/quote]
Really? then why are 65% of all new HIV infections coming from homosexual men?
See, you have a tough time with things like this.
You want everything to be hunky freaking dory for your gay buddies. But it’s just never going to be that way.
It’s the lifestyle (and the main gay act) that is killing them.
Think about it, there is a reason why your brethern are dying at such a young age and suffering miserable lives because of both physical and emotional problems.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
When you answer the two questions above I will be glad to dismantle your feeble argument regarding certain institutions.
[/quote]
Ok, I will take your word on that. One final shot at a mature constructive discussion here. I hope you will honor your commitment with a serious response.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
How can 87% of all homosexual men have sex with a women? When we have both agreed that heterosexual men do not have sex with other men. And the very definition of homosexual should mean that they are only attracted to other men.[/quote]
Homosexual men can have sex with women for the same reason men can have sex with watermelons or provide a semen sample for a fertility test. That doesn’t mean men are sexually attracted to watermelons or petri dishes. It simply means that it is possible to act outside of one’s sexual orientation.
Why would someone choose to act contrary to their sexual orientation? Because of deeply engrained religious or cultural beliefs. Some homosexuals are willing to go through the pain of living contrary to who they are, in order to comply with the social and religious programming that they have received.
Being homosexual means that you are oriented to people of the same gender. Whether or not you act on that orientation is driven by your cultural and religious beliefs.
[quote]2. Define the word “orientation.” Since you have used this word repeatedly it should be easy for you to define it.
[/quote]
From the Just the Facts Coalition:
The Just the Facts Coalition is comprised of the following organizations:
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Counseling Association
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
American Psychological Association
American School Health Association
Interfaith Alliance Foundation
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Social Workers
National Education Association
This same Coalition has stated:
[quote]The most important fact about “reparative therapy,” also sometimes known as “conversion” therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a “cure.”
[/quote]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Really? then why are 65% of all new HIV infections coming from homosexual men?
[/quote]
I know you’re fond of that statistic. What you don’t tell your readers is that you are completely ignoring the high rates of HIV outside of the United States, where HETEROSEXUALS represent the MAJORITY of new cases:
From BBC News:
HIV heterosexual infections soar
[quote]For the first time, twice as many heterosexual than homosexual patients are now being told they have the disease.
Throughout the 1990s, most new cases of HIV infection occurred in gay men.
However, that situation changed in 1999 and heterosexual patients now account for a growing proportion of reported cases. [/quote]
From Irish Health:
HIV among heterosexuals increasing
[quote]The number of heterosexual people, particularly women, contracting HIV in Ireland is on the increase, new figures from the National Disease Surveillance Centre (NDSC) have shown.
According to the figures which cover the first six months of this year, 157 people were diagnosed with HIV, with heterosexuals accounting for 70% of cases. Of these, 80% were women.[/quote]
Homosexual men can have sex with women for the same reason men can have sex with watermelons or provide a semen sample for a fertility test. That doesn’t mean men are sexually attracted to watermelons or petri dishes. It simply means that it is possible to act outside of one’s sexual orientation.[/quote]
BULL
You are now trying to tell me that they simply pretend that it’s not a woman…not soooo fast!
Most men could not have sex with another men! As I stated before, they would recoil at such a thought and be unable to perform.
There is no amount of “make believe” that could get them beyond that other guys hairy butt…sorry forlife that excuse aint cuttin it!
I think there is in fact some attraction to women. Otherwise, they would not be able to perform the sex act.
It seems that they are attracted to both men and women!
Oh I get it now! Because mean society demanded it they were able to achieve an erection and have at it with a women even though they hated every minute of it.
MORE BULL
Exactly how many men do you think would be able to do the same with another man?
Itsy…bitsy infintesimal percentage…at best.
Certainly a far cry from the 87% of homosexual men who have sex with women.
Try again…NO ONE is buying that malarky.
[quote]2. Define the word “orientation.” Since you have used this word repeatedly it should be easy for you to define it.
Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction that a person feels toward another person.[/quote]
That is another crock of crap!
According to that definition YOU are in fact “oriented” toward females as well as males!
Since you did in fact have sex with a female (as 87% of all homosexual men have) you must be oriented toward females too.
Please explain this alarming statistic to the many heterosexual who have read this thread and don’t quite get how 87% of homosexuals could be attracted enough to females to have sex with them.
I’ll give you my take: Homosexual men like both males and females. And are sexually aroused by both!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think there is in fact some attraction to women. Otherwise, they would not be able to perform the sex act.[/quote]
By your logic, men are also attracted to a watermelon or a petri dish. Sorry, but that doesn’t fly.
If gay men were as attracted to women as you like to think they are, why would they choose to have sex with men instead? Life would sure be a lot easier if they could just choose to be straight.
Of course, the scientific conclusions of every major medical and mental health organization have shown that people cannot generally change their orientation, and can be damaged if they try to do so.
Speaking of which, I’m looking forward to your promised response to my question, now that I have answered yours.
Given a culture and religion that was accepting of homosexuality, I think many men would be capable of just that. In fact, I’ve provided numerous examples of cultures that were accepting of homosexuality, and consequently the majority of men did have sex with one another.
Your logic is flawed because you are looking at today’s culture and are saying IMPOSSIBLE! Duh. Today’s culture doesn’t allow for homosexuality. In cultures that do, there is a much greater incidence of sex between men. It isn’t rocket science.
The only way you can know whether straight men would be capable of acting like homosexuals do in today’s culture is to put them into a culture that supports an orientation different from their own.
You can’t compare the behavior of straight men in a culture that inherently embraces their orientation with the behavior of gay men in a culture that inherently rejects their orientation. If you want to be fair, you need to put both in an equally compatible culture.
Nope. I could also have sex with a watermelon, but that doesn’t mean I’m oriented toward watermelons. See above.
I’m glad you know better than I do what I find arousing. Lol.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I think there is in fact some attraction to women. Otherwise, they would not be able to perform the sex act.
By your logic, men are also attracted to a watermelon or a petri dish. Sorry, but that doesn’t fly.[/quote]
You just don’t get it do you? (shaking head)
(Deep breath) Okay, pay close attention. I am not talking about sitting in a corner and making believe that you have some hot model on your lap.
Wake Up!
I am talking about one heterosexual man getting naked with another man. And then PERFORMING SEX!
And I say for the 7th time: That ain’t happening!
There is nothing neutral about that situation bub. Most men would be sick to their stomach in that situation. Hence, very much unable to perform sex.
But, not so with 87% of homosexual men. They seem to be able to perform quite nicely with either women or men.
GOT IT YET?
And try as you may-you can’t explain it!
I have never said that they like women better I’ve only said that they apparently do in fact like women too.
You said it earlier: “They prefer men.”
But again, heterosexual men don’t feel this way about both sexes. Contrary to your gay fantasy.
Please don’t ever try to pick up a heterosexual male…seriously. Just don’t do that. I want you to come back to your computer each day healthy and as happy as you can be in your current situation.
You have much more “schooling” to go through.
Again, it’s oaky to tout that crap on this message board. But please don’t ever try to act on this false belief. Heterosexual men in this country take a very dim view of getting their crotches grabbed some gay guy who has a problem thinking clearly.
You want to put your Penis in another mans butt and you think my logic if flawed? Inspite of the fact that nothing but disease comes from that gay sex act.
Remember the CDC said that there is no such thing as “safe” sex only “safer” sex.
So who is not thinking clearly?
That would be you!
Oh I don’t know about that. I think today’s culture is pretty tolerant of gay folks.
But please…just because most are tolerant DO NOT TRY TO PICK UP A HETEROSEXUAL MAN
Okay?
[quote]According to that definition YOU are in fact “oriented” toward females as well as males!
Nope. I could also have sex with a watermelon, but that doesn’t mean I’m oriented toward watermelons. See above.[/quote]
Okay, you have to stop pretending that that watermelon is like a real live person. As I explained above, a typical heterosexual man cannot have sex with another man. They would just not be “up” for it. Reality would trump fantasy so don’t say that they could pretend it was some hot model.
You are soooo off base in your thinking it’s sort of scary.
[quote]I’ll give you my take: Homosexual men like both males and females. And are sexually aroused by both!
I’m glad you know better than I do what I find arousing. Lol.[/quote]
YOU HAVE TWO CHILDREN BY A FEMALE BUB!
And I know what happened for that to occur.
And I know what is impossible for the typical American male.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
There is nothing neutral about that situation bub. Most men would be sick to their stomach in that situation. Hence, very much unable to perform sex. [/quote]
Logical fallacy. You are comparing the reaction of straight men with the reaction of gay men in a culture which inherently rejects homosexuality.
In order to make a fair comparison, you have to look at the behavior of straight men in a culture which does not inherently reject homosexuality.
I’ve provided several historical examples of such cultures. And gasp there is a much higher incidence of sex between men in those cultures. Imagine that!
Do ya think that just maybe the reason for the homosexual aversion in straight men is due to the culture in which they are raised, and that just maybe gay men would have less sex with women if their culture had a positive view of homosexuality?
Hmmm…
True. And it applies to heterosexuals as well.
As evidenced by the rampant homophobia present in this thread? Lol.
See above. Your logic is flawed because you aren’t comparing apples. The only way to draw such a conclusion is by looking at the behavior of straight men in cultures that are truly accepting of homosexuality.
[quote]YOU HAVE TWO CHILDREN BY A FEMALE BUB!
And I know what happened for that to occur.
And I know what is impossible for the typical American male.
So how do you square the two?
[/quote]
Oh I don’t know…just maybe it is because I was raised in a culture and religion that inherently rejects homosexuality? Maybe if I say that enough it will sink in?
Being a good Christian and all, I know that you realize that one of the 10 Commandments is that you shouldn’t bear false witness.
I’m waiting for the definitive proof that you promised to provide. I answered your questions. Now you answer mine, as you agreed to do.
I have provided evidence that EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS DRAWN SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSIONS THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICT YOUR VIEWS OF HOMOSEXUALITY. Are you actually claiming that ALL of those organizations are so politically biased that their conclusions are worthless?
Yes, I would be opposed to the acting out of homosexual thoughts because it is contrary to nature and the organs involved. I don’t believe that saying a rectum was not designed or evolved to have some guys zimmy in it is subjective. That is a biological fact.[/quote]
I see. So as a man, you’ve obviously had your nipples amputated. Can you recommend a good nipplectomy surgeon?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
What if Jesus was gay…the guy was thirty three and never got any?
I woulda been turnin water into wine all over the place, and getting broads like crazy
forlife wrote:
Read The DaVinci Code. Some believe that Jesus married Mary Magdalene ;)[/quote]
Better yet, why don’t YOU read The Da Vinci Code: Fact or Fiction which unearths and annihilates all the myths of the [b]Da Vinci Code[/b]? It surprises me that you once journeyed as a Christian missionary but are now leading a campaign against the Christian faith by propelling a book littered with fables… all because you submitted to the impulse of homosexual relations.
I find it amazing that an educated person like yourself has committed a 180 degree theological spin and now compares the reality of Jesus Christ to the mythological god of my ancestors [Zeus], the pagan Middle Eastern deity known as Allah [one of 52 Arabian gods worshipped during the time of Mohammed], or a skinny mortal who never claimed divinity or worked miracles who today is hailed as the chubby Buddhist god.
The Bible speaks volumes when it mentions how even some of the righteous will stumble and falter into evil ways.
As a Christian, I go through my own battles but I’m reminded of a simple phrase & promise:
“He who endures till the end shall be saved.”
You admittedly gave up the struggle. Just maintain a sense of dignity concerning those things you once believed in. I firmly believe that you’ll be rewarded in accordance with your life’s works but sincerely fear that your anti-Christian agenda is destroying any crowns you might be receiving in the Day of Judgment.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote: forlife wrote:
Read The DaVinci Code. Some believe that Jesus married Mary Magdalene
Better yet, why don’t YOU read The Da Vinci Code: Fact or Fiction which unearths and annihilates all the myths of the [b]Da Vinci Code[/b]? It surprises me that you once journeyed as a Christian missionary but are now leading a campaign against the Christian faith by propelling a book littered with fables… all because you submitted to the impulse of homosexual relations.
[/quote]
Goodness, Stellar. Didn’t you see the wink at the end of my comment? It was a joke, dude (not to say I think it’s impossible that Jesus was married…).
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
There is nothing neutral about that situation bub. Most men would be sick to their stomach in that situation. Hence, very much unable to perform sex.
Logical fallacy. You are comparing the reaction of straight men with the reaction of gay men in a culture which inherently rejects homosexuality.[/quote]
Um…not quite!
If you are a “homosexual” man that means that you SHOULD only be attracted to men.
And…87% of homosexual men have had sex with women.
Yet, the word “heterosexual” seems to stand up pretty well.
The word “perversion” might just enter into our little chat at this point.
Yea…yea…that could be it!
Then again it could be because no normal heterosexual male finds another mans hairy butt attractive.
And said hairy butt would have quite a chilling effect on the first mans arousal button…
It’s one or the other for sure
There you go name calling again. As soon as you lose a point or two you whip out the ole’ name calling.
You are going to have to wake up to reality. And that reality is that gay men are a very sick bunch of people. And I’m not talking about morality here.
They are less healthy both physically and emotionally! They die younger and have a great amount of self inflicted pain in their lives.
That “we” heterosexuals want to do something to help this situation should be welcomed. But the politically correct folks who have something to protect don’t want any help. they want gay people to continue to suffer!
TURN YOU NAME CALLING ON THE ONES WHO DESERVE IT!
No my logic is not “flawed.” It’s your entire thought process that’s flawed. And it will stay flawed as long as you have to rationalize your current actions.
One more time: When one heterosexual man is exposed to another man for sexual purposes that first man will indeed recoil at the very site of another man…much less be able to have sex with him!
How foolish of you to suggest anything else.
And maybe if I say that no matter what “homosexual” is supposed to mean only sexually attracted to someone of the same sex.
So…you still cannot answer why 87% of all homosexal men have had sex with a female.
Pay attention: IT WOULD BE PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOST HETEROSEXUAL MEN TO DO THIS!
I think there is in fact some attraction to women. Otherwise, they would not be able to perform the sex act.
It seems that they are attracted to both men and women![/quote]
Bi-sex-u-a-li-ty, common noun,
A sexual orientation characterized by aesthetic attraction, romantic love and sexual desire for both males and females. It is usually contrasted with homosexuality, heterosexuality, and asexuality.
[quote]Oh I get it now! Because mean society demanded it they were able to achieve an erection and have at it with a women even though they hated every minute of it.
MORE BULL
Exactly how many men do you think would be able to do the same with another man?[/quote]
In one case, between about 10% and 20%, according to prison rape statistics for the same United States you seem blindly focused on.
Your statement of “MORE BULL” has hereby been proven diametrically wrong. I’m curious as to whether you’ll be a man about it.
[quote]2. Define the word “orientation.” Since you have used this word repeatedly it should be easy for you to define it.
Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction that a person feels toward another person.
That is another crock of crap!
According to that definition YOU are in fact “oriented” toward females as well as males!
Since you did in fact have sex with a female (as 87% of all homosexual men have) you must be oriented toward females too.[/quote]
So you’re proposing that it’s impossible to perform sexually in the absence of preferrential romantic feelings? I’m sure thousands of sperm banks would be interested in any corroborating evidence you could provide.
I’m forced to wonder exactly how many of any “orientation” are confused by the advent of gay men trying to fit in with society by emulating its behaviours. I’m straight and I get it.
[quote]I’ll give you my take: Homosexual men like both males and females. And are sexually aroused by both!
Odd but true![/quote]
Yes, it is odd that you’re attributing bisexuality to homosexuals. I’m not sure how true it is, though.
[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
Actually, I entered the thread by pointing out to stellar_horizon that he probably shouldn’t talk on behalf of black people:
[/quote]
I wasn’t talking on behalf of all black people. I have met black folks who don’t like hearing or reading the N word, as well as homosexuals speaking out against the use of the word “faggot” or “fag”.
Some persons of these populations claim being offended by these terms so when liberal-minded individuals posted in this thread including phrases in their posts like the N word and fag and likewise started name-calling traditionally valued Christians, I courteously instructed that these individuals tone it down so as to maintain a civil discourse.
You again imply as if my rationale in that given context was comparing the psychoemotional state of two completely different species…
Pssst, here’s a secret… There’s one general psychological assessment for a multitude of races & populations. Turns out us humans facilitate most of our thinking patterns in similar processes after all. And before you decide to reply, I got the memo before you entered this thread to begin with - that you’d rather hear what offends blacks or homosexuals from said populations…
I have never said that they like women better I’ve only said that they apparently do in fact like women too.
You said it earlier: “They prefer men.”
But again, heterosexual men don’t feel this way about both sexes. Contrary to your gay fantasy.[/quote]
Since you have all the answers, please explain ALL OF SPARTA.
[quote]Please don’t ever try to pick up a heterosexual male…seriously. Just don’t do that. I want you to come back to your computer each day healthy and as happy as you can be in your current situation.
You have much more “schooling” to go through.[/quote]
Zeb, are you an idiot? Gay men don’t hit on straight men nearly as much as straight men hit on disinterested women. Are you going to warn straight men about not being rapists?
You can stop being condescending and/or threatening now.
a) Anal sex isn’t a gay sex act. It’s a sex act.
b) Nothing but disease comes from sex where at least one person is unable to reproduce, either.
[quote]Remember the CDC said that there is no such thing as “safe” sex only “safer” sex.
