Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
It is very interesting that you try to defend homosexuality as normal because it has been practiced for a long time. Have you noticed that the civilizations in history that have been the strongest have fallen when homosexuality was at its peak? Greece? Rome? Sodom & Gommorah? It is not a healthy sexual activity, and it leads to worth things.

Gleemonex wrote:
You’re going to have to back that up with proof. Until then, I call bullshit.

-Glee

terribleivan wrote:
Greece, Rome, Sodom and Gommorah fell when sexual perversion was at its height - men having sex with men, animals, multiple partners. Diseases ran rampent.

Would it surprise you to know that Sodom and Gommorah were discovered? Many people have come to know and believe on God due to this evidence alone.[/quote]

Of course it wouldn’t surprise me. The Bible(s) is/are an historical document(s). Metaphorical and allegorical, perhaps, but ultimately based in actual fables, some of which are partially true.

Would it surprise YOU to know that Caligula, the paragon of Roman excess, lived and died 400 years before the fall of Rome? For those of you who aren’t counting, that’s only two-thirds along the history of the Roman civilisation – not anywhere near the end.

I don’t have to do a goddamned thing – you’re the one making a positive assertion. Yours is the burden of proof.

Note that I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But I’m not going to accept any statement of fact without proof, and I’m not going to accept any premise without proof of causality.

-Glee

[quote]ZEB wrote:
HOLD ONTO YOUR SEATS T-Nation READERS!

(blah blah blah TLDR -ed)[/quote]

Zeb, you’re rambling. Decide what you want to say, then just say it. If what you’re saying is refuted, be a man and admit it.

-Glee

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
If sexual behavior or tendency is a choice, then gays can choose not to engage in gay sex.[/quote]

Obviously sexual behavior is a choice. Nobody claimed otherwise.

Sexual orientation, however, is not a choice.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Really, please, go look at that website.

Send Zeb to the website. He’s the one that keeps harping on HIV, not me.

I’m just wondering what your motivation is? If there is no HIV or AIDS, what is your beef with homosexuality?[/quote]

Well, first of all, as you’ve documented, homosexuals engaged in perverse acts can spread horrible diseases to the heteros, when the gays decide to ‘play it straight’ for a while. What’s the first thing your ex said when you told her that’d you been with guys? Did it go something like: “Omigod, did you give me AIDs?” I hope she got tested, for STDs and all the rest.

Then, we spend billions on AIDs research. Granted, the diseases lumped under ‘AIDs’ are horrible, but its a smokescreen. Most people wouldn’t want to pay for diseases caused by homo practices; but they will pay for AIDs research. Just another way to milk the taxpayers.

Finally, God says its wrong. I know you don’t believe any of that but I do. It is wrong, it is EVIL. There.

BTW: if I didn’t care about you, I wouldn’t post at all. You are a human being, God’s creation, and I do care. Please: go to the website, then beg God to help you go back to being a man. (That’s not a rip.)

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Great comparision between homosexuality and the animal world. Animals also lick each other’s butts and eat each others fecal matter. Do you practice these “natural” behaviours as well?

Fallacious. I said that homosexuality (like heterosexuality) occurs naturally in the animal world, not that all animal behaviors occur naturally in humans. When was the last time you coughed up a fur ball?

Glad to see that you at least agree homosexuality is a natural phenonomeon.[/quote]

I know your reading comprehension is a little off, so I will reitterate what I said many times before - Homosexuality is unnatural. (Whew, I’m getting a little tired of repeating myself)

But, to put it in your context, homosexuality is about as natural as eating another person’s poop for fun.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:

terribleivan wrote:
Greece, Rome, Sodom and Gommorah fell when sexual perversion was at its height - men having sex with men, animals, multiple partners. Diseases ran rampent.

Would it surprise you to know that Sodom and Gommorah were discovered? Many people have come to know and believe on God due to this evidence alone.

Of course it wouldn’t surprise me. The Bible(s) is/are an historical document(s). Metaphorical and allegorical, perhaps, but ultimately based in actual fables, some of which are partially true.

[/quote]

Nice attempt to downplay it. SODOM AND GOMMORAH WERE DESTROYED BY FIRE FROM THE SKY! You agree with this and then call it an “actual fable”? You are too much.

I never thought I would hear someone like yourself admit that the Bible is histoically correct. Hell must have frozen over for sure!

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:

Homosexual promiscuity is a terrible problem. We should try to correct it by enabling them to engage in formal monogamous unions or something.

-Glee[/quote]

An obvious attempt to press your own political agenda. “Let’s just try it and see what happens”

I wonder if a Doctor see his patient with a malignent cancer, and tells him to let it run its course and “let’s just see what happens”.

Sorry Glee - I’m much too smart for you!

[quote]forlife wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
If sexual behavior or tendency is a choice, then gays can choose not to engage in gay sex.

Obviously sexual behavior is a choice. Nobody claimed otherwise.

Sexual orientation, however, is not a choice.

[/quote]

So you went from being married and having kids to being gay? Hmmm…

I guess you CAN change yor orientation.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Well it looks like we are done here!

If sexual behavior or tendency is a choice, then gays can choose not to engage in gay sex.

Next topic…[/quote]

EXACTLY!

Below is yet another edition of “run forlife run.” As he attempts escape reality, changes his mind and basically contradicts himself.

[quote]forlife wrote:

I was answering YOUR ridiculous claim that it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for straight men to have sex with other straight men.[/quote]

(Cue Ronald Reagan): “There he goes again.”

(clears throat)…Tell me Mr. enlightened politically correct wonder boy…Don’t they call straight men who are having all kinds of sex with other men “bisexual?”

Tell me your definition of bisexual. is it different than the rest of the worlds?

Somehow you think that straight men can and do have sex with other men. And I find that the oddest thing that you have stated in a series of very odd statements!

I certainly don’t want you to do that. Then I wouldn’t have anyone to debate with in this thread. And I am not nearly done roasting you yet.

But, YOUR MENTION OF SUICIDE, IF ONLY IN JEST (hopefully) IS INTERESTING GIVEN THE FACTS

"Fergusson, D., Horwood., L., Beautrais, A. (1999) Is sexual orientation related to mental health problems and suicidality in young people? Archives of General Psychiatry. 56, 10:876-888.

Homosexuals have significantly higher rates of: suicidal ideation (67.9%/29.0%), suicide attempt (32.1%/7.1%), and psychiatric disorders ? major depression (71.4%/38.2%), generalized anxiety disorder (28.5%/12.5%), conduct disorder (32.1%11.0%), than the heterosexual sample. (p. 879)

Findings support recent evidence suggesting that gay, lesbian, and bisexual young people are at increased risk of mental health problems, with these associations being particularly evident for measures of suicidal behavior and multiple disorders."

(The above is true because many of them are not living a life that is conducive to happiness.

Now as I stated in my prior post. I want you to speak to the following four items that YOU posted earlier:

Explain to the readers what you meant when you wrote the following four points.

And being the nice guy that I am, will comment after everyone.

1.[quote]I think most gay men would tell you that they probably could have sex with women…[/quote]

Okay, nothing new you have said this before. And it has been proven by studies to be true.

87% of all gay men have in fact stated that they have had sex with women! If they have sex with women then the “born that way” myth has been exploded!

They are in fact CHOOSING to be a homosexual. And that is a fact that I never thought I would uncover on this thread.

2.[quote]Just like straight men probably could have sex with other men…[/quote]

Here is where you try to make a connection which does not work!

I do understand why you want to make this connection. It makes gay men look perfectly normal by having sex with both women and men. But in your own words they PREFER men.

Unfortunately, for you, heterosexual men having sex with other heterosexual men IS A LIE.

You have never demonstrated that this is a desire or even possible for any heterosexual man. And in fact you now state:

Gee…forlife…(hitting my hand on my head) YA THINK?

I have been telling you that…huh?

Have you decided to give up the big lie? No probaly not…

Why don’t I just leave the thread (don’t worry won’t happen) and you can argue with yourself. Given enough time you are contradicting everything you say.

And your Spartan example is not all that good as they were “bisexual.” Bisexual men (which is what I’m starting to think 87% of homosexuals really are) do have sex with both genders. I think heterosexual men would find it very repulsive to have sex with someone of the same gender. And certainly could not “perform” said act.

That you don’t know this…is literally shocking to me. All kidding aside, I am shocked. I showed a colleague of mine this thread and he thinks you are actually kidding about some of the things you have said. I honestly don’t think that you know how the the non-politically correct rest of the world thinks.

You are walking around in a gay haze seemingly making up stuff as you go along.

HOWEVER, this might just explain why many homosexual men hit on straight men even though straight men have ZERO desire to have sex with another man…

They are walking around thinking that they are desireable to ALL MEN.

Interesting stuff we learned here on T-Nation.

3.[quote]Straight men could also choose to have sex with other men (and sometimes do)…[/quote]

Well here we are again!

Now please explain to me (not using the bisexual spartans) how a typical American male is interested in grabbing another mans butt.

Explain it so that all the T-Men on this forum can understand it. I’d like that because frankly I am not going to stop reminding you of this until you can explain your thought process to my satisfaction, then I’ll move on.

4.[quote]The sexual act is a choice.[/quote]

The above quote is the one that sent your entire argument to the crapper!

As this is an admission that your desire for having sex with another male is simply a concsious choice.

And quite honestly, I never thought that such an admission would come from you!

Now explain WHY you said it. And if you are now claiming that you did not say it I suggest you go back a few posts and reread what you typed.

Now get busy and answer the four statements that you made. I have many more questions for you and I want to move along.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
ZEB wrote:
HOLD ONTO YOUR SEATS T-Nation READERS!

(blah blah blah TLDR -ed)

Zeb, you’re rambling. Decide what you want to say, then just say it. If what you’re saying is refuted, be a man and admit it.

-Glee[/quote]

BE A MAN?

As in act like a man?

Talking to the wrong “guy.”

:slight_smile:

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Greece, Rome, Sodom and Gommorah fell when sexual perversion was at its height - men having sex with men, animals, multiple partners. Diseases ran rampent.

Would it surprise you to know that Sodom and Gommorah were discovered? Many people have come to know and believe on God due to this evidence alone.

Gleemonex wrote:
Of course it wouldn’t surprise me. The Bible(s) is/are an historical document(s). Metaphorical and allegorical, perhaps, but ultimately based in actual fables, some of which are partially true.

terribleivan wrote:
Nice attempt to downplay it. SODOM AND GOMMORAH WERE DESTROYED BY FIRE FROM THE SKY! You agree with this and then call it an “actual fable”? You are too much.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for the proof that turns your statement from fable into fact. The reason I give some parts of the bible the benefit of the doubt is that a) many biblical stories are meant to be allegorical (ie. only a fool would take them literally), and b) many of the facts presented in the bible (such as the existence of Romans) only become facts in the face of corroborating archaeological and/or historical research.

Don’t be in such a hurry to be content – you were right the first time. I never said it was historically correct. I said it was an historical document, in that it has a reasonably verifiable lineage at least back to the 1500s.

The Bible(s) is/are an historical document. So is the Magna Carta. But so is The Odyssey. When’s the last time you saw a drunk Cyclops walking around with a stick in his eye?

-Glee

[quote]forlife wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
If sexual behavior or tendency is a choice, then gays can choose not to engage in gay sex.

Obviously sexual behavior is a choice. Nobody claimed otherwise.

Sexual orientation, however, is not a choice.

[/quote]

Ahh…he’s back to the “orientation” word.

He has been around the world with this one:

Started with “orientation” he then moved to “preference.” But after he typed that he thought better of it because preference means that you can go both ways and “prefer” one over the other. After that, he wanted to use the word “fulfilled.”

Fulfilled was tricky as well because that does not exclude one gender over the other. It simply means that you are more fulfilled as a homosexual with a guy than a girl.

And sure enough he is back to “Orientation.”

forlifes new book:

“THE CONFUSED LIFE OF A HOMOBIHETEROSEXUAL”

Oh and I have some news for you, if you are a heterosexual there is no choosing.

The very fact that you think you have a choice makes your “homosexuality” a sham!

And along with you 87% of all homosexual men stated that they CHOSE sex with a women before!

Your argument is a joke!

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Why don’t I just leave the thread (don’t worry won’t happen)[/quote]

So I will. Thanks, it’s been fun.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Why don’t I just leave the thread (don’t worry won’t happen)

So I will. Thanks, it’s been fun.

[/quote]

Take care forlife.

And the very best to you!

Has anyone here noticed the common theme with all the homosexuals that come to debate?

Every one resorts to name calling and religion bashing. Keep watching - I’ll bet you they do it some more.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
When’s the last time you saw a drunk Cyclops walking around with a stick in his eye?

-Glee[/quote]

I thought I saw one hanging out with you. Or, are you talking about a different kind of cyclops?


[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Gleemonex wrote:
When’s the last time you saw a drunk Cyclops walking around with a stick in his eye?

-Glee

I thought I saw one hanging out with you. Or, are you talking about a different kind of cyclops?[/quote]

Um… what?

-Glee

[quote]terribleivan wrote:

Has anyone here noticed the common theme with all the homosexuals that come to debate?

Every one resorts to name calling and religion bashing. Keep watching - I’ll bet you they do it some more.[/quote]

That is surely a massive assumption.

If they discuss in a popitive way about homosexuality, does that mean they are gay…

…Or does that mean you are an ignoant selt supposing shit?