British Kids Forced to Worship Allah

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Given that it is Britain and it involves islam being pushed on people it probably did happen. Lets not forget this is the country that labels preschoolers who don’t like spicy foods as racist.

Weren’t those guidelines created by the National Children’s Bureau, which is a non-governmental entity, but rather a charity organization?[/quote]

Well technically yes, it is non-governmental. However, they receive vast sums of money every year from government funded organizations. I think that’s money that should be better spent, personally. I would expect a better use of my gov’ts money than that. But lets not forget that we’re talking about PRE-SCHOOLERS here.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
A black persons disease???[/quote]

You are the one who implied it was something that white people gave to blacks to get them off their land. I’m just saying it came out of Africa. Just like Homo Sapiens.

EDIT: And another thing it makes a lot of sense that it would come out of Africa because the Africans were the first ones to domesticate cattle and Cowpox is a relative of smallpox. The Africans who were immune to smallpox were a people who traditionally raised cattle. Which was another reason why they think it came from them.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
A black persons disease???

You are the one who implied it was something that white people gave to blacks to get them off their land. I’m just saying it came out of Africa. Just like Homo Sapiens.

EDIT: And another thing it makes a lot of sense that it would come out of Africa because the Africans were the first ones to domesticate cattle and Cowpox is a relative of smallpox. The Africans who were immune to smallpox were a people who traditionally raised cattle. Which was another reason why they think it came from them.[/quote]

[b]The smallpox virus emerged in human populations about 10 thousand years BC. (19:3) The virus�?? genes suggest that it was once a rodent virus that made its trans-species jump into humans in one of the early agricultural river valleys. (15:54)

Smallpox is thought to have rooted itself early in people living in the river valleys of China. The first clear description of smallpox (by the great Chinese medical doctor Ko Hung) appeared in a Chinese medical text in the fourth century AD. (19:3) The disease had such a profound effect on human culture that there were deities created in its honor. The Chinese worshiped a goddess of smallpox named T�??ou Shen Niang-Niang, who could cure the disease. (15:55) Like the Chinese with their smallpox goddess, the Hindu religion also has a goddess of smallpox, named Shitala Ma. (15:55)[/b]

Chinese. Like most livestock-to-human diseases, they took place typically in areas where people lived in very close proximity to their livestock - sometimes in their houses.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Given that it is Britain and it involves islam being pushed on people it probably did happen. Lets not forget this is the country that labels preschoolers who don’t like spicy foods as racist.

Weren’t those guidelines created by the National Children’s Bureau, which is a non-governmental entity, but rather a charity organization?

Well technically yes, it is non-governmental. However, they receive vast sums of money every year from government funded organizations. I think that’s money that should be better spent, personally. I would expect a better use of my gov’ts money than that. But lets not forget that we’re talking about PRE-SCHOOLERS here. [/quote]

Exactly. The British government is real good at wasting vast amounts of money on bullshit like this.

Some of you really need to have some exposure to British liberals to truly understand just how fanatical some of them are. They love to run around lableing people as bigots for the slightest of reasons. Labeling 3 year olds as racists because of what foods they like is a blatantly graphic example of just how nutty they are. This goes beyond the pale.

It is how the liberals stifle debate and prevent open dialogue. By throwing the racist accusation around willy nilly they have been able to polarize society and create a really poisonous atmosphere with race relations. Blacks in Britain have way more animosity towards whites than African Americans do. I think African Americans have way more reason to be angry with whites than British blacks who with the exception of a few thousand are all voluntary recent immigrants, who have been shown a good deal of hospitality by the British.

This deal with the 3 year olds is all part of the liberal agenda of ethnically cleansing Britain of white non-liberals.

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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1200696

The origin of smallpox as a natural disease is lost in prehistory. It is believed to have appeared around 10,000 BC, at the time of the first agricultural settlements in northeastern Africa (3, 4). It seems plausible that it spread from there to India by means of ancient Egyptian merchants. The earliest evidence of skin lesions resembling those of smallpox is found on faces of mummies from the time of the 18th and 20th Egyptian Dynasties (1570�??1085 BC). The mummified head of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses V (died 1156 BC) bears evidence of the disease (5). At the same time, smallpox has been reported in ancient Asian cultures: smallpox was described as early as 1122 BC in China and is mentioned in ancient Sanskrit texts of India.

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Wow…a med reference that’s NOT from a Scientology website. I guess that’s a step up!

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It’s also the first one on a google search and it’s from one of the only two governments that has a sample of the virus in storage. And guess what it says Northeast Africa. Like I wrote.

At least I didn’t have to go through a couple of different listings on a google search like you did.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1200696

The origin of smallpox as a natural disease is lost in prehistory. It is believed to have appeared around 10,000 BC, at the time of the first agricultural settlements in northeastern Africa (3, 4). It seems plausible that it spread from there to India by means of ancient Egyptian merchants. The earliest evidence of skin lesions resembling those of smallpox is found on faces of mummies from the time of the 18th and 20th Egyptian Dynasties (1570�??1085 BC). The mummified head of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses V (died 1156 BC) bears evidence of the disease (5). At the same time, smallpox has been reported in ancient Asian cultures: smallpox was described as early as 1122 BC in China and is mentioned in ancient Sanskrit texts of India.[/quote]

If nature is this cruel (and nature is truly brutal), then why do we all give such a big shit about the environment? Fuck it, let the environment (the polar bears and snails and such) adapt to us. Fuck nature — she’s a cruel bitch.

Hijack over, carry on.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Gentlemen,gentlemen…I guess I’m going to have to read the book to take what the author has written in context,but by what I’m reading in these quotes,it appears as if the man hasn’t exactly done much homework.

Zap:the proper name for them is Khoikhoi,a subdivision of the Khoisan.

And no,it wasn’t the use of the term Hottentot that I found most offensive,it was the allegation that they were wiped out by the “Bantu” migration,as if they Bantu were some sort of freestanding ethnic group conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign which killed all before them.

The Khoikhoi were in rude health when the first Dutch settlers(followed by the British) arrived,but it was all downhill from there as the usual cycle of “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture” ran its course.

So it is a blatant lie to say that they were wiped out by anything other than colonialism,and I certainly hope that is not what Mr.Diamond postulates in his book.

Because that is a crock of shit of the smelliest variety…

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I think you need to look outside South Africa and see where the Khoikhoi were before the Bantu Migration. They were driven out of significant parts of Africa. By the time the Dutch started killing them with smallpox they were a shadow of what they once were.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Gentlemen,gentlemen…I guess I’m going to have to read the book to take what the author has written in context,but by what I’m reading in these quotes,it appears as if the man hasn’t exactly done much homework.

Zap:the proper name for them is Khoikhoi,a subdivision of the Khoisan.

And no,it wasn’t the use of the term Hottentot that I found most offensive,it was the allegation that they were wiped out by the “Bantu” migration,as if they Bantu were some sort of freestanding ethnic group conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign which killed all before them.

The Khoikhoi were in rude health when the first Dutch settlers(followed by the British) arrived,but it was all downhill from there as the usual cycle of “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture” ran its course.

So it is a blatant lie to say that they were wiped out by anything other than colonialism,and I certainly hope that is not what Mr.Diamond postulates in his book.

Because that is a crock of shit of the smelliest variety…

I think you need to look outside South Africa and see where the Khoikhoi were before the Bantu Migration. They were driven out of significant parts of Africa. By the time the Dutch started killing them with smallpox they were a shadow of what they once were.[/quote]

No one is denying that populations move,are pushed,rise and fall.It is how history runs.

The argument here is not where the Khoi peoples were on their journey through time ,is it?If it was,then for sure I would agree that they were not at the pinnacle of their existence.

What was being advanced was the final cause of their demise.In that context,the quote is a blatant untruth.

But how one cannot understand that using that choosing to ignore how certain particular events happened, to try to create a revisionist template in order to advance a certain viewpoint,is fundamentally dishonest,is beyond me.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
A black persons disease???

You are the one who implied it was something that white people gave to blacks to get them off their land. I’m just saying it came out of Africa. Just like Homo Sapiens.

EDIT: And another thing it makes a lot of sense that it would come out of Africa because the Africans were the first ones to domesticate cattle and Cowpox is a relative of smallpox. The Africans who were immune to smallpox were a people who traditionally raised cattle. Which was another reason why they think it came from them.[/quote]

I didn’t imply that it was given to them on purpose.Please show where I even remotely indicate anything of the sort.

What is an undeniable fact is that,in this particular case,the European settlers imported the virus into this population,as the Spanish did into the Americas.

And I’m not the one giving the disease a “racial origin”,then backtracking by saying that we are all Homo Sapiens,hence of African origin,when I realize that I have just typed such a howling example of blatantly racist shit.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Gentlemen,gentlemen…I guess I’m going to have to read the book to take what the author has written in context,but by what I’m reading in these quotes,it appears as if the man hasn’t exactly done much homework.

Zap:the proper name for them is Khoikhoi,a subdivision of the Khoisan.

And no,it wasn’t the use of the term Hottentot that I found most offensive,it was the allegation that they were wiped out by the “Bantu” migration,as if they Bantu were some sort of freestanding ethnic group conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign which killed all before them.

The Khoikhoi were in rude health when the first Dutch settlers(followed by the British) arrived,but it was all downhill from there as the usual cycle of “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture” ran its course.

So it is a blatant lie to say that they were wiped out by anything other than colonialism,and I certainly hope that is not what Mr.Diamond postulates in his book.

Because that is a crock of shit of the smelliest variety…

I think you need to look outside South Africa and see where the Khoikhoi were before the Bantu Migration. They were driven out of significant parts of Africa. By the time the Dutch started killing them with smallpox they were a shadow of what they once were.

No one is denying that populations move,are pushed,rise and fall.It is how history runs.

The argument here is not where the Khoi peoples were on their journey through time ,is it?If it was,then for sure I would agree that they were not at the pinnacle of their existence.

What was being advanced was the final cause of their demise.In that context,the quote is a blatant untruth.

But how one cannot understand that using that choosing to ignore how certain particular events happened, to try to create a revisionist template in order to advance a certain viewpoint,is fundamentally dishonest,is beyond me.[/quote]

I don’t see where that was advanced at all. The original comment was something about the Hottentots killing each other and the next comment was that most of the damage to that population was done by the Bantu Expansion.

No one said the Dutch did less harm than the Bantu Expansion although that may be true.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
A black persons disease???

You are the one who implied it was something that white people gave to blacks to get them off their land. I’m just saying it came out of Africa. Just like Homo Sapiens.

EDIT: And another thing it makes a lot of sense that it would come out of Africa because the Africans were the first ones to domesticate cattle and Cowpox is a relative of smallpox. The Africans who were immune to smallpox were a people who traditionally raised cattle. Which was another reason why they think it came from them.

I didn’t imply that it was given to them on purpose.Please show where I even remotely indicate anything of the sort.

What is an undeniable fact is that,in this particular case,the European settlers imported the virus into this population,as the Spanish did into the Americas.

And I’m not the one giving the disease a “racial origin”,then backtracking by saying that we are all Homo Sapiens,hence of African origin,when I realize that I have just typed such a howling example of blatantly racist shit.[/quote]

I am not going to go around with you on this one for much longer. You were the one who started with the racial angle with this paragraph:

“The Khoikhoi were in rude health when the first Dutch settlers(followed by the British) arrived,but it was all downhill from there as the usual cycle of “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture” ran its course”

Smallpox traveled with the Europeans and it decimated populations. But they didn’t import it. In Africa smallpox started out in South Africa and worked it’s way North till it hit a population of people it couldn’t decimate because of an inherited resistance. Those people were black they weren’t white.

You are the one who wrote about: “the usual cycle of “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture” running it’s course” being caused by the Dutch and British.

I merely pointed out that the disease originated in Africa amongst an African people. Then the disease went around the world decimating people till it came full circle and returned to it’s place of origin.

You are the one who gave this the racial angle of whites giving smallpox to blacks in order to clear the land. When in actuality some nonhuman creature gave it to someone in Africa who was black, (because that’s what people in that part of Africa were) and from there it just spread to whites, Indians, Chinese etc…

You didn’t like the facts so now you have tried to paint my words as “a howling example of blatantly racist shit”. Thanks for illustrating my point about how liberals like to go around throwing accusations of racism around whenever they encounter an arguement they can’t debate with logic.

But hey if you say I am I guess I am. I guess I’ll have to go tell half my friends, most of my neighbors, my roommates and some of my girlfriends that they can’t be cool with me anymore because they’re black and I’m a racist.

What if I find out I have some kids I don’t know about, will I have to tell them? Does this mean I won’t be able to laugh at my roommates and coworkers disparaging remarks about crackers anymore? Are they going to have to stop referring to me as “my niggah”? So do my friends and I have to divide up along racial lines or do we have your permission to still get along?

Personally I think racial distinctions are somewhat pointless. There are only 8 out of 28,000 genes that give rise to features that are related to race. Both species of Homo Sapiens did originate in Africa.

So we were all black at one time. Unless you want to claim that whites get their “whiteness” from Neandertals. It would explain a few things like readheads, the shape of the femur and the size of the browridge. But the browridge difference could be a throw back to the first group of Homo Sapiens.

Then again the racist card is a great one to play in order to divide people up. It has so much bitter animosity and resentment built into it that you liberals don’t have to make a logical arguement you can just throw that out at anyone who doesn’t toe your ideological line and people will follow you like a mindless herd of sheep. It has worked wonders to polarize and divide society in Britain.

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Import means “to carry in”.The disease was absent in that population,then European settlers carried it in.Importation does not have to be voluntary in order to be so.

The origin of the disease is immaterial,and using that as an angle of argument.As I happen to agree with you on the lack of validity of racial distinctions,I really don’t see why you felt compelled to make the distinction of origin.

It happened in this case,it happened in the Americas.

As I said before,it wasn’t on purpose.The colonization would have happened regardless,just like many other cultures have done to many other peoples.

I don’t see why you get all riled when it happens to be us Europeans who were the ones doing it.I,personally,don’t harbor any guilt about what happened.

But what does get me a bit miffed is when facts get obscured in order to try minimize or deflect the cause of historical facts.

I don’t understand why one would feel the need.To assuage historical guilt maybe?

There isn’t anything to feel guilty about.

Saying the comment was racist is not the same as calling you a racist,now is it?We have all said racist,sexist and whatever other ‘ist’ you care to mention,things.

I’m sure you’re a swell guy.

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I made the distinction because you wrote: “smallpox-get the fuck off our new land black man-end of their culture”. The impression I got from that is you were saying the whites gave the disease to blacks so the could take their land.

I merely pointed out that it was most likely blacks who caught it first then whites caught it from them. Indians caught it from whites, Chinese got it from Indians. Then finally in Africa it came full circle.

It wasn’t anyones fault. These things happen. There is a theory that says that Syphillis was a new world skin disease (Yaws)that mutated and was brought back by Columbus.

New diseases are something to be careful of and we know better now, but don’t do the right thing. ie Keeping other primates as pets or interacting with them in their natural environment is high risk because of the potential of cross contamination and/or mutation.

I wasn’t trying to assuage any guilt, because I didn’t have anything to do with it. My only interaction with smallpox was when I was a kid in school and the nurse pricked my shoulder with a disposable device that looked like a coffee creamer with multiple exacto blades sticking out of it. It was many years later when I realized what the scar it left was.

You are the one who jumped all over my comment labeling it racist. Sorry if it was a little blunt and didn’t uncomfortably beat around the bush before I got to my point. I live in America, ever since I was six I have had friends who are black so I am used to people talking freely about issues relating to race with out being all awkward and uncomfortable about it. Things are different here. People can talk freely without fear of the government.

One thing I have learned from African Americans is they like people to up front and honest with them. The one thing they hate worse than blatant racism is suttle racism. They naturally enough do not like to be disrespected.

But they would prefer someone would have the gall to call them the N word and say it to their face than smile to their face then wisper it behind their back. Because that way they know with no uncertainty where they stand with someone. They don’t like having to wonder whether of not they have just been insulted.

Having spent time in Europe and seen the way things there, I have come to the conculsion that the American way is the best way. People should be free to speak their mind and let others know where they stand. It is how things get worked out.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
…The world truly is better off with white people in charge, simply because those are the first ones to understand concepts like justice and freedom. All one has to do is look at Africa today (such as at Mugabe) to see what happened when whitey left Rhodesia. When the rest of the world catches up to European concepts of morality and rises above the level of warring tribes of Hottentots, then they can be in charge…
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If it was anyone else who said this, I could take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately, since it was Uncle Ruckus, I know that he believes that this is true with all of his drug-addled, senile, racist heart. As I said before…sad, truly sad.