Bringing Youth to the GOP?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:

The war DESTROYED the party. And if the party keeps up the “Well, it was a good idea, we just didn’t execute it correctly” approach, they’ll never recover. The people aren’t voting for a party they suspect is likely to get us into another war and lengthy occupation. Funded by borrowed money, at that. The GoP has done nothing to ensure the populace they’ve rethought their foreign policy.

Bullshit. Being about only two inches to the right of the Democratic Party wounded the GOP.

Running a rock solid, small government conservative as its 2008 candidate rather than a wishy-washy I-still-think-a-large-federal government-is-swell McCain would’ve changed the outcome, I believe.

Yep. Can we dig Reagan up?

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The Devil himself

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about? [/quote]

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:

The war DESTROYED the party. And if the party keeps up the “Well, it was a good idea, we just didn’t execute it correctly” approach, they’ll never recover. The people aren’t voting for a party they suspect is likely to get us into another war and lengthy occupation. Funded by borrowed money, at that. The GoP has done nothing to ensure the populace they’ve rethought their foreign policy.

Bullshit. Being about only two inches to the right of the Democratic Party wounded the GOP.

Running a rock solid, small government conservative as its 2008 candidate rather than a wishy-washy I-still-think-a-large-federal government-is-swell McCain would’ve changed the outcome, I believe.

Yep. Can we dig Reagan up?

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Republicans don’t need Reagan, they need better. Reagan had his time, this is a new era, they need new blood not old.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Bullshit. Being about only two inches to the right of the Democratic Party wounded the GOP.

Running a rock solid, small government conservative as its 2008 candidate rather than a wishy-washy I-still-think-a-large-federal government-is-swell McCain would’ve changed the outcome, I believe.[/quote]

Which is why Ron Paul did so darn well in the primaries eh?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

The war DESTROYED the party. And if the party keeps up the “Well, it was a good idea, we just didn’t execute it correctly” approach, they’ll never recover. The people aren’t voting for a party they suspect is likely to get us into another war and lengthy occupation. Funded by borrowed money, at that. The GoP has done nothing to ensure the populace they’ve rethought their foreign policy. [/quote]

Which is why Ron Paul did so darn well in the primaries eh?

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Sloth wrote:

The war DESTROYED the party. And if the party keeps up the “Well, it was a good idea, we just didn’t execute it correctly” approach, they’ll never recover. The people aren’t voting for a party they suspect is likely to get us into another war and lengthy occupation. Funded by borrowed money, at that. The GoP has done nothing to ensure the populace they’ve rethought their foreign policy.

Which is why Ron Paul did so darn well in the primaries eh?[/quote]

I think for having run in the GoP, he did well. Even though the party basically lined up against him. He has the ability to steer voters the GoP absolutely needs, into a third party. And I think we’ll be seeing that from now on. And with a high level of regret amongst the public, concerning the Iraq war, the unapologetic GoP isn’t going to see many converts or returning voters anytime soon.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.[/quote]

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.[/quote]

Fine, here it is:

"GDollars37 wrote:
Wow. Not one person on this thread mentioned the huge elephant in the room: THE WAR. It’s just like the real GOP, or Fawlty Towers: “Don’t mention the war!”

Actually, you are right. It’s not a strawman, it’s a “Red Herring” Sorry I got my fallacies crossed up.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.

Fine, here it is:

"GDollars37 wrote:
Wow. Not one person on this thread mentioned the huge elephant in the room: THE WAR. It’s just like the real GOP, or Fawlty Towers: “Don’t mention the war!”

Actually, you are right. It’s not a strawman, it’s a “Red Herring” Sorry I got my fallacies crossed up.
[/quote]

lol. Not only that, you got your posters “crossed up.”
“What’s my name?”

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.

Fine, here it is:

"GDollars37 wrote:
Wow. Not one person on this thread mentioned the huge elephant in the room: THE WAR. It’s just like the real GOP, or Fawlty Towers: “Don’t mention the war!”

Actually, you are right. It’s not a strawman, it’s a “Red Herring” Sorry I got my fallacies crossed up.

lol. Not only that, you got your posters “crossed up.”
“What’s my name?”[/quote]

Hey, your right! I did get my posters crossed up. You all start to look the same after a while…You both start with a “G”. Close enough?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.

Fine, here it is:

"GDollars37 wrote:
Wow. Not one person on this thread mentioned the huge elephant in the room: THE WAR. It’s just like the real GOP, or Fawlty Towers: “Don’t mention the war!”

Actually, you are right. It’s not a strawman, it’s a “Red Herring” Sorry I got my fallacies crossed up.
[/quote]

I’m starting to wonder if you have a problem with either reading comprehension or basic logic. The thread is about the reason young voters have overwhelmingly given up on the GOP (check some of Obama’s demographic splits in the reddest of states).

I said the war is a far bigger reason for 18-30 year olds’ problems with Bush and the GOP than any other issue. How on Earth is that a red herring? Please explain.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love PWI!

Rocscar, Pat, did you actually read what I wrote or are you just complaining because I agree with a lot of previous posters? If the OP actually does these things I think a lot of youth with move towards conservatives… what, specifically, are you complaining about?

Uh, yeah, I read what you said. You introduced a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I wish people would at least use different logical fallacies to not make a point.

lol. This ought to be good. Copy my words. Tell me where the strawman was.

Fine, here it is:

"GDollars37 wrote:
Wow. Not one person on this thread mentioned the huge elephant in the room: THE WAR. It’s just like the real GOP, or Fawlty Towers: “Don’t mention the war!”

Actually, you are right. It’s not a strawman, it’s a “Red Herring” Sorry I got my fallacies crossed up.

I’m starting to wonder if you have a problem with either reading comprehension or basic logic. The thread is about the reason young voters have overwhelmingly given up on the GOP (check some of Obama’s demographic splits in the reddest of states).

I said the war is a far bigger reason for 18-30 year olds’ problems with Bush and the GOP than any other issue. How on Earth is that a red herring? Please explain.[/quote]

No the thread is about bringing youth in to the GOP, not why folks turned on it. Everybody knows why, but Bush is gone now.

I don’t think people need to join the GOP, people just got to be smart enough not to give up their liberties and freedom to the likes of the power hungry democrats who want to make us all dependent slaves on the governments tit…People like me, who work our ass off end up footing the bill.

The GOP has it’s flaws too. I need liberty not restriction. I want to the govenment to get out of my life, not send me a check. Literal constitutional interpretation and small government that’s what I want.

I don’t need uncle sam doing me any other favor then getting the fuck out of my way.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
<<< It’s hard though, to explain that to people who are so conditioned to think that if you don’t want to give the poor free money, you MUST hate black people. >>>[/quote]

I argue that giving them free money is destroying black people in ways that slavery never could and I, unlike the condescending elitist snobs who are the real racists, actually do care.

Been doin it for years. I’ve had exactly one convert. Usually they won’t even try to understand another point of view. I doubt your fortune will be much better.

Big Boss, if you’re still around here, I do salute you for at least taking the time to actually get what I’m saying and tell me you respect it though you weren’t that convert.

We aren’t the haters.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
<<< It’s hard though, to explain that to people who are so conditioned to think that if you don’t want to give the poor free money, you MUST hate black people. >>>

I argue that giving them free money is destroying black people in ways that slavery never could and I, unlike the condescending elitist snobs who are the real racists, actually do care.

Been doin it for years. I’ve had exactly one convert. Usually they won’t even try to understand another point of view. I doubt your fortune will be much better.

Big Boss, if you’re still around here, I do salute you for at least taking the time to actually get what I’m saying and tell me you respect it though you weren’t that convert.

We aren’t the haters.

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Something tells me you would appreciate Shelby Steele’s op-ed piece in today’s WSJ - Why the GOP Can’t Win With Minorities:

“The appeal of conservatism is the mutuality it asserts between individual and political freedom, its beautiful idea of a free man in a free society. And it offers minorities the one thing they can never get from liberalism: human rather than racial dignity. I always secretly loved Malcolm X more than Martin Luther King Jr. because Malcolm wanted a fuller human dignity for blacks – one independent of white moral wrestling. In a liberalism that wants to redeem the nation of its past, minorities can only be ciphers in white struggles of conscience.” - Shelby Steele