Breaking Bad Starts Again

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Truthfully, after seeing the Dexter finale recently, I reflected on series finales and realized I don’t think I’ve ever liked one. Though admittedly that’s really hard to do since if it’s done really well, I’ll just be sad the show’s over, and if it’s done poorly I’m mad that they didn’t end it better.

That being said, at first, I kind of felt this was a let down since it was hyped so much, but after having a couple days to think about it, I thought it was very well done. Walt went out on his terms after ensuring his family was financially secure and that no one would come after them again. (Also that no one would continue making blue meth, but I don’t think Walt ever cared that much about additional drugs on the street.)

The only part I didn’t like about the finale was how he took out the white supremacists. Not about them getting killed quickly, but it almost never happened at all. The whole thing relied on the car being parked perfectly, and having the keys. The keys were taken away from him right away. It was admittedly kind of stupid the guy refused to give them back, but then put them in easy reach of Walt. My whole gripe is from the beginning, everyone said and Walt knew he was smarter than everyone else. That was never a surprise, but what made him come out on top over and over again was his sheer ruthlessness that always surprised people. Like calling a hit squad on Hank when he was trapped, or getting someone to go kamikaze with a bomb strapped to the wheelchair.

For the ending to happen the way that it did, several things had to happen perfectly (which was already mentioned here) and they almost didn’t as shown by Walt fumbling for the keys right before Jessie came in. I would’ve much preferred a flawless final hit, even with a bomb or something, that really showed A. How Walt always was and still is the smartest guy in the room and B. How he progressed over the course of the show becoming the most ruthless guy of all once he finally lost Hank and then his family.

I still think the ending was good and will probably be the only series finale I enjoyed for a long time if not forever, I would’ve just preferred Walt’s final “blaze of glory” be more calculated than left up to as much chance as it was.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like that they had White die alone, having not reclaimed the rest of his money. Just setting his kid up with 9 million was a little too much happy ending for me. He destroyed people around him. Associated with skinheads and child killers. And, was a murderer himself, after all. Still he died alone, on the floor of a warehouse, with only his reflection on a chemical tank as his last companionship.

Frankly, he lied to Skylar. Part of all of his doings, especially in the beginning, was because of his misguided idea of making sure the family was taken care of. In fact, you see his emotional breakdown in the prior episode, when his son fully rejects him. Prior to that, he was willing to go to prison than see Hank murdered (though the neo-nazis showed up anyways). He wasn’t faking any of that. I think he told her that so she wouldn’t mourn anew for Walter White, when she caught the news later on. “Walter White has been dead for some time. You’ve already started working through the loss of him. The dead man you’ll hear about in the news later is a completely different person. Completely a monster you needn’t and shouldn’t mourn.” She’s already been working through the ‘loss’ of W.W. No need to start her through the stages of grief all over again, when news broadcasts began recounting his death (which he must’ve considered a likely outcome, if not planned). Don’t forget, he asked to see his daughter one last time.

Nope, he failed in his primary goal. And he knew it. He was no different than any thuggish kingpin. Taking the lives of, or at least destroying them, those around him. But even less liked and respected than many ‘kingpins.’ He irrevocably destroyed one aspect of his life (his family). And his relationships in the other aspect (Mike, Pinkman). He had no choice now but to find some shred of satisfaction in revenge, and in protecting a family (don’t forget he knew about Todd’s visit to the White home) that wanted nothing more to do with him.

A bad man died alone, on the floor of a warehouse in a neo-nazi compound, with his relationships shattered. Only a fraction of his money possibly going (let’s not assume it ever actually gets paid out) to his son. A son that despises him. An adopted son/partner (Pinkman) that would rather leave him to die a slower death from bleeding out than carry out a vengeance that would put White out his misery quickly. Basically, “Die slow, BITCH!”

Nope, it wasn’t the ending he had worked and planned for. It was the best he could get out of the mess he caused. Ultimately, he wasn’t clever enough.

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Otherwise he would have had an agonizing death in a hospital, knowing full well that he had left them with nothing.

He did way better than that.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like that they had White die alone, having not reclaimed the rest of his money. Just setting his kid up with 9 million was a little too much happy ending for me. He destroyed people around him. Associated with skinheads and child killers. And, was a murderer himself, after all. Still he died alone, on the floor of a warehouse, with only his reflection on a chemical tank as his last companionship.

Frankly, he lied to Skylar. Part of all of his doings, especially in the beginning, was because of his misguided idea of making sure the family was taken care of. In fact, you see his emotional breakdown in the prior episode, when his son fully rejects him. Prior to that, he was willing to go to prison than see Hank murdered (though the neo-nazis showed up anyways). He wasn’t faking any of that. I think he told her that so she wouldn’t mourn anew for Walter White, when she caught the news later on. “Walter White has been dead for some time. You’ve already started working through the loss of him. The dead man you’ll hear about in the news later is a completely different person. Completely a monster you needn’t and shouldn’t mourn.” She’s already been working through the ‘loss’ of W.W. No need to start her through the stages of grief all over again, when news broadcasts began recounting his death (which he must’ve considered a likely outcome, if not planned). Don’t forget, he asked to see his daughter one last time.

Nope, he failed in his primary goal. And he knew it. He was no different than any thuggish kingpin. Taking the lives of, or at least destroying them, those around him. But even less liked and respected than many ‘kingpins.’ He irrevocably destroyed one aspect of his life (his family). And his relationships in the other aspect (Mike, Pinkman). He had no choice now but to find some shred of satisfaction in revenge, and in protecting a family (don’t forget he knew about Todd’s visit to the White home) that wanted nothing more to do with him.

A bad man died alone, on the floor of a warehouse in a neo-nazi compound, with his relationships shattered. Only a fraction of his money possibly going (let’s not assume it ever actually gets paid out) to his son. A son that despises him. An adopted son/partner (Pinkman) that would rather leave him to die a slower death from bleeding out than carry out a vengeance that would put White out his misery quickly. Basically, “Die slow, BITCH!”

Nope, it wasn’t the ending he had worked and planned for. It was the best he could get out of the mess he caused. Ultimately, he wasn’t clever enough.

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Otherwise he would have had an agonizing death in a hospital, knowing full well that he had left them with nothing.

He did way better than that.[/quote]

He left them with less than they would have had. That son wanted to remember the father he admired and loved. Not the monster he turned out to be. A poisoner of children, who associates with outright child killers. No, he failed his family big time. As far as the money, he has no idea if his son will actually see it. I would doubt it. When it gets out in the news that W. White killed those men all by his lonesome with an improvised gun rig, you have to wonder where his hired shooters where. In fact, you have to start doubting they even exist. He/we have no idea if his kid ever sees that money. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe he won’t.

The only thing we do know is that he ruined lives. Betrayed people who loved him. Poisoned a child to advance his own sinister plots, watched the gf of someone who trusted him die without helping, etc. Associated with the lowest of the low. Got a child murdered. And, finally, destroyed his family. That is what we know. Kudos to him for getting the neo-nazis menacing his family. A danger he created in the first place. Guess he broke even on that ONE account.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like that they had White die alone, having not reclaimed the rest of his money. Just setting his kid up with 9 million was a little too much happy ending for me. He destroyed people around him. Associated with skinheads and child killers. And, was a murderer himself, after all. Still he died alone, on the floor of a warehouse, with only his reflection on a chemical tank as his last companionship.

Frankly, he lied to Skylar. Part of all of his doings, especially in the beginning, was because of his misguided idea of making sure the family was taken care of. In fact, you see his emotional breakdown in the prior episode, when his son fully rejects him. Prior to that, he was willing to go to prison than see Hank murdered (though the neo-nazis showed up anyways). He wasn’t faking any of that. I think he told her that so she wouldn’t mourn anew for Walter White, when she caught the news later on. “Walter White has been dead for some time. You’ve already started working through the loss of him. The dead man you’ll hear about in the news later is a completely different person. Completely a monster you needn’t and shouldn’t mourn.” She’s already been working through the ‘loss’ of W.W. No need to start her through the stages of grief all over again, when news broadcasts began recounting his death (which he must’ve considered a likely outcome, if not planned). Don’t forget, he asked to see his daughter one last time.

Nope, he failed in his primary goal. And he knew it. He was no different than any thuggish kingpin. Taking the lives of, or at least destroying them, those around him. But even less liked and respected than many ‘kingpins.’ He irrevocably destroyed one aspect of his life (his family). And his relationships in the other aspect (Mike, Pinkman). He had no choice now but to find some shred of satisfaction in revenge, and in protecting a family (don’t forget he knew about Todd’s visit to the White home) that wanted nothing more to do with him.

A bad man died alone, on the floor of a warehouse in a neo-nazi compound, with his relationships shattered. Only a fraction of his money possibly going (let’s not assume it ever actually gets paid out) to his son. A son that despises him. An adopted son/partner (Pinkman) that would rather leave him to die a slower death from bleeding out than carry out a vengeance that would put White out his misery quickly. Basically, “Die slow, BITCH!”

Nope, it wasn’t the ending he had worked and planned for. It was the best he could get out of the mess he caused. Ultimately, he wasn’t clever enough.

[/quote]

Otherwise he would have had an agonizing death in a hospital, knowing full well that he had left them with nothing.

He did way better than that.[/quote]

He left them with less than they would have had. That son wanted to remember the father he admired and loved. Not the monster he turned out to be. A poisoner of children, who associates with outright child killers. No, he failed his family big time. As far as the money, he has no idea if his son will actually see it. I would doubt it. When it gets out in the news that W. White killed those men all by his lonesome with an improvised gun rig, you have to wonder where his hired shooters where. In fact, you have to start doubting they even exist. He/we have no idea if his kid ever sees that money. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe he won’t.

The only thing we do know is that he ruined lives. Betrayed people who loved him. Poisoned a child to advance his own sinister plots, watched the gf of someone who trusted him die without helping, etc. Associated with the lowest of the low. Got a child murdered. And, finally, destroyed his family. That is what we know. Kudos to him for getting the neo-nazis menacing his family. A danger he created in the first place. Guess he broke even on that ONE account.
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details…

Minor bumps…

Nothing anyone will remember in a few years.

Plus, my understanding is that he used the ricin to kill business bitch, so I dont think he poisoned children?

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Also, Ricin is not nearly as deadly as it was made out to be in the show.

I know, because I looked it up.

At best, she has an 8% chance of dying, far less if she rushes to a hospital.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like that they had White die alone, having not reclaimed the rest of his money. Just setting his kid up with 9 million was a little too much happy ending for me. He destroyed people around him. Associated with skinheads and child killers. And, was a murderer himself, after all. Still he died alone, on the floor of a warehouse, with only his reflection on a chemical tank as his last companionship.

Frankly, he lied to Skylar. Part of all of his doings, especially in the beginning, was because of his misguided idea of making sure the family was taken care of. In fact, you see his emotional breakdown in the prior episode, when his son fully rejects him. Prior to that, he was willing to go to prison than see Hank murdered (though the neo-nazis showed up anyways). He wasn’t faking any of that. I think he told her that so she wouldn’t mourn anew for Walter White, when she caught the news later on. “Walter White has been dead for some time. You’ve already started working through the loss of him. The dead man you’ll hear about in the news later is a completely different person. Completely a monster you needn’t and shouldn’t mourn.” She’s already been working through the ‘loss’ of W.W. No need to start her through the stages of grief all over again, when news broadcasts began recounting his death (which he must’ve considered a likely outcome, if not planned). Don’t forget, he asked to see his daughter one last time.

Nope, he failed in his primary goal. And he knew it. He was no different than any thuggish kingpin. Taking the lives of, or at least destroying them, those around him. But even less liked and respected than many ‘kingpins.’ He irrevocably destroyed one aspect of his life (his family). And his relationships in the other aspect (Mike, Pinkman). He had no choice now but to find some shred of satisfaction in revenge, and in protecting a family (don’t forget he knew about Todd’s visit to the White home) that wanted nothing more to do with him.

A bad man died alone, on the floor of a warehouse in a neo-nazi compound, with his relationships shattered. Only a fraction of his money possibly going (let’s not assume it ever actually gets paid out) to his son. A son that despises him. An adopted son/partner (Pinkman) that would rather leave him to die a slower death from bleeding out than carry out a vengeance that would put White out his misery quickly. Basically, “Die slow, BITCH!”

Nope, it wasn’t the ending he had worked and planned for. It was the best he could get out of the mess he caused. Ultimately, he wasn’t clever enough.

[/quote]

Otherwise he would have had an agonizing death in a hospital, knowing full well that he had left them with nothing.

He did way better than that.[/quote]

He left them with less than they would have had. That son wanted to remember the father he admired and loved. Not the monster he turned out to be. A poisoner of children, who associates with outright child killers. No, he failed his family big time. As far as the money, he has no idea if his son will actually see it. I would doubt it. When it gets out in the news that W. White killed those men all by his lonesome with an improvised gun rig, you have to wonder where his hired shooters where. In fact, you have to start doubting they even exist. He/we have no idea if his kid ever sees that money. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe he won’t.

The only thing we do know is that he ruined lives. Betrayed people who loved him. Poisoned a child to advance his own sinister plots, watched the gf of someone who trusted him die without helping, etc. Associated with the lowest of the low. Got a child murdered. And, finally, destroyed his family. That is what we know. Kudos to him for getting the neo-nazis menacing his family. A danger he created in the first place. Guess he broke even on that ONE account.
[/quote]

details…

Minor bumps…

Nothing anyone will remember in a few years.

Plus, my understanding is that he used the ricin to kill business bitch, so I dont think he poisoned children?

[/quote]

Lily of the Valley was his doing though…

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[quote]orion wrote:
Also, Ricin is not nearly as deadly as it was made out to be in the show.

I know, because I looked it up.

At best, she has an 8% chance of dying, far less if she rushes to a hospital.

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Technically it’s probably close to (if not completely) impossible for her to die with the ricin protein easily denaturing when exposed to the incredibly hot tea water, but I like to suspend my disbelief and not think about it too much lest it depresses me. I’m just glad she’s dead and she knows it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Plus, my understanding is that he used the ricin to kill business bitch, so I dont think he poisoned children?

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The son of Pinkman’s girlfriend. The lady that Todd killed. Her son. White poisoned her son in order to manipulate Pinkman at one point. He admitted it to Pinkman when he was rushing to save his money (which Pinkman wasn’t actually burning). Hank was listening in.

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Do you guys think the alpha/beta duality is represented in Heisenberg / WW ?

Is that the real allure of the show? Seeing a man live his life almost completely on his own terms after not doing so for the first 50?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Do you guys think the alpha/beta duality is represented in Heisenberg / WW ?

Is that the real allure of the show? Seeing a man live his life almost completely on his own terms after not doing so for the first 50?[/quote]

If you take his last conversation with Skylar seriously, then yes.

Then you would also get the usual reactions to it.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Do you guys think the alpha/beta duality is represented in Heisenberg / WW ?

Is that the real allure of the show? Seeing a man live his life almost completely on his own terms after not doing so for the first 50?[/quote]

I watched it to see how bad the bad guy would get. Or, if he would redeem himself in some way. And, how he would finally meet his end…

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I got the impression that there were no hired killers. He was bluffing and using Jesse’s buddies to make it more immediate and real to the Schwarzes.

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My one gripe at the show is the old James Bond/Adam West Batman thing… they really didn’t need to do that.

I’m referring to the part where the Nazis are about to ice Walt… but wait… “I’m going to bring Jesse here just to show you how wrong you are. Then I’m going to put the bullet in your head myself.”

Come on.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Also, Ricin is not nearly as deadly as it was made out to be in the show.

I know, because I looked it up.

At best, she has an 8% chance of dying, far less if she rushes to a hospital.

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He made the Ricin himself and probably added some other chemicals to make it more deadlier. Plus, there are no cures fro Ricin.

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[quote]GeneticSynergy9 wrote:
Truthfully, after seeing the Dexter finale recently, I reflected on series finales and realized I don’t think I’ve ever liked one.[/quote]

The Shield had a really good one, I thought.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I got the impression that there were no hired killers. He was bluffing and using Jesse’s buddies to make it more immediate and real to the Schwarzes.[/quote]

correct.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]GeneticSynergy9 wrote:
Truthfully, after seeing the Dexter finale recently, I reflected on series finales and realized I don’t think I’ve ever liked one.[/quote]

The Shield had a really good one, I thought.[/quote]

I hear the Six Feet Under finale was excellent, I’ve never seen the show though, working my way through it all now to find out how good it really is.

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Thoughts?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Do you guys think the alpha/beta duality is represented in Heisenberg / WW ?

Is that the real allure of the show? Seeing a man live his life almost completely on his own terms after not doing so for the first 50?[/quote]

Once he gave himself the name Heisenberg I always thought of his character in terms of the uncertainty principle. I guess that goes along the same lines though.

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anybody noticed that his reflexion on the meth tank is him as Heisenberg(bald and with the goatee) ?