[quote]RoidEnthusiast wrote:
4 eggs a day… with the yolk eh? great advice. Do that for about a year and post your cholesterol levels so I can have a good laugh. The right amount of calories for bulking depends upon the person. I’f someone is predisposed to being a lard ass, are you going to recommend 5-6,000 calories to bulk?[/quote]
If the trainee is predisposed to “being a lard ass” as you so eloquently put it, he wouldn’t be here asking how to bulk now would he?
[quote]He’ll bulk alright, you just won’t want him to take off his shirt after. Go to the other end of the spectrum, shove 10,000 calories a day down Pee-Wee Hermans throat. His pure ecto frame can’t handle that, and he’ll just end up shitting out 6,000 of those calories unutilized.
I sit at 220 steady with about 3000 calories a day. Thats 10 pounds more than you Trainer at same height 6’1". I’m not in double digits in bodyfat% either. If I want to go up, I can add about 500 extra a day and it’ll do it. Problem is, it isn’t clean enough weight- so I don’t do it. Thats me. Doesn’t mean someone else will have the same response. [/quote]
I’m glad you are ten pounds heavier than me. I started at 135 pounds at 6’1 and have bulked to this weight over 5 years. [/quote]
Chest pounding huh? Rubbing it in my face that you are ten pounds heavier than me seems like chest pounding to me. Bodybuilding is an individual sport, where we “were” all brothers in iron. I was telling the OP what I did to bulk.
Let me ask you a question. Going by your display name, when and at what body weight did you do your first cycle?
[quote]Soco wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I think you’ll find that most people aren’t actually following those recommendations. I think the average gym goer could get great gains on a 3000 - 3500 calorie plan and actually follow it.
Most people honestly don’t need 5000 calories to see a rise in weight, and certainly not a 1500 calorie BOMB for a single feeding opportunity.
I agree with that. Many of those claiming to get 5,000 calories a day are deluding themselves.[/quote]
How can you say they are deluding themselves when this thread is full of people who consistently take in more than 5000 calories a day??
Lonnie’s post specifically said
If you guys not eating enough to get the gains want to look like the average gym goer, thats on you. I refuse to work this hard to look like the average gym goer. So do all the bigger boys on this site.
You guys know you loved the Boiler Room reference. It was the right time/place for it.
i have to agree with trainer. i was once 170 pounds myself and taking in about 4000-5000 calories a day i gained 20 poudns and barely put on any fat. now im 220 pounds and 5000 is about maintence. as they say breakfast is the msot important meal of the day. you need to break the fast from sleeping. so there is nothing wrong with taking in 1000+ calories for it. i doubt you will get fat from it
[quote]steveaustin wrote:
Been working on the breakfast. I seem to have trouble eating alot in the morning because I eat a shit ton before I go to bed. I added some whole grain cereal, a protien shake, more peanut butter and 2 more eggs to my breakfast. Only thing though, a guy at the gym told me that you can only use about 60 g of protien at a time. Is this bullshit? If this is true, I just added alot of protien to my breakfast that Im wasting. [/quote]
thats a myth you can only take in that much. there nothing wrong with taking in a little more than that.
I’m not here to start an online penis measureing contest. The bottom line is that there is something called digestive efficiency.
If you ate 20,000 calories a day, you will not use them all. Most of them will pass through you, unutilized, and be excreted. What you do utilize, will be going a long way toward stuffing your genetically distibuted adipose tissue. Now at this point many of the pure ectos are going to scream “but I CAN eat 5000 calories a day and not get fat”. Of course you can, that happens to be your personal bodytype. An Ectomorph doesn’t have much adipose tissue to begin with, and has body that isn’t going to fully utilize all those 5000 calories anyway. They are going to be crapped out as waste. If you think I’m wrong, consider the fact that at 5000 calories a day, generally speaking, you are eating a maintainance level amount of calories for an average 277 pound man, classified as involved in “strenous” daily activity. So why don’t these 170, 190, and 210 posters who claim to eat like that weight 277? …and no, the answer is not “it’s just a matter of time”. How much time? If you had the right bodytype and genetic potential, (barring years of malnutrition or disease), you would have been on your way there all along since adolescence anyway. If it’s not in your DNA to get that big, that many calories is just going to be a waste for some, and worse, for others, is going to do nothing but make them fat in short time. Learn your bodytype and work with it, and you’ll get a feel for what you should be eating to make the gains that your body has the potential for.
[quote]RoidEnthusiast wrote:
I’m not here to start an online penis measureing contest. The bottom line is that there is something called digestive efficiency.
If you ate 20,000 calories a day, you will not use them all. Most of them will pass through you, unutilized, and be excreted. What you do utilize, will be going a long way toward stuffing your genetically distibuted adipose tissue. Now at this point many of the pure ectos are going to scream “but I CAN eat 5000 calories a day and not get fat”. Of course you can, that happens to be your personal bodytype. An Ectomorph doesn’t have much adipose tissue to begin with, and has body that isn’t going to fully utilize all those 5000 calories anyway. They are going to be crapped out as waste. If you think I’m wrong, consider the fact that at 5000 calories a day, generally speaking, you are eating a maintainance level amount of calories for an average 277 pound man, classified as involved in “strenous” daily activity. So why don’t these 170, 190, and 210 posters who claim to eat like that weight 277? …and no, the answer is not “it’s just a matter of time”. How much time? If you had the right bodytype and genetic potential, (barring years of malnutrition or disease), you would have been on your way there all along since adolescence anyway. If it’s not in your DNA to get that big, that many calories is just going to be a waste for some, and worse, for others, is going to do nothing but make them fat in short time. Learn your bodytype and work with it, and you’ll get a feel for what you should be eating to make the gains that your body has the potential for. [/quote]
Most small guys claiming to eat anywhere near 5,000cals a day are not eating that much. The usual problem is inconsistancy and a gross overestimation of how much food they are actually eating. If someone actually needs 5,000cals a day, they won’t be crapping most of it out. The rest of your post I don’t disagree with, however, I felt that needed to be stated.
Dont fuck up your bulking cycle adding inecessary fat.
You need to control the variables. Track your calories, weight and size with fitday or some spreadsheet.
About the breakfast, i think that 25% of total daily calories is ok. Of course you first need to know the amount of calories you need tracking your variables.
3 scoops of protein powder (300kcal)
100g of oats (381kcal)
mixed together and NOT heated.
(blunt oats go down far more easily for me, plus I don’t have to mess up a pan and spend valuable morning time washing up)
2 slices of wholemeal bread(222kcal)
roughly 10g butter (90kcal)
TOTAL = 993kcal (60g complete protein)
Oh yeah and coffee, I do enjoy my morning cup of coffee.
I weigh 188lbs and started the year at around 140. I can still see abs when I flex and I’ve made real progress as far as my gym numbers are concerned.
The rest of the day I eat the same kind of foods as AA because the guy clearly knows what the fuck he’s doing (as someone else stated on this thread).
I don’t understand why people believe in the whole super lean bulking bullshit. I’m not in this to become obese but I do enjoy making visible progress.
Somewhere, a long time ago, Vroom had a thread about using a serving of Surge in the morning as breakfast, then eating normally at some point therafter. On my hardest training days I do that, and I like it. I can’t see I’ve seen any immediate effects, as I haven’t been doing it that long, but I don’t figure it can hurt. I hope Vroom chimes in about this…