[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Spike and Power Drive are great, and as I understand it, Alpha-GPC is basically a nootropic and a form of choline.
They should have put Alpha-GPC in Power Drive.
Now that would have been cool. [/quote]
I might be off base here, but I’m pretty sure Power Drive came out before people were realizing the benefits of Alpha-GPC, and even after that point it took some time for Biotest to be happy enough with the product to release it.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Spike and Power Drive are great, and as I understand it, Alpha-GPC is basically a nootropic and a form of choline.
They should have put Alpha-GPC in Power Drive.
Now that would have been cool.
I might be off base here, but I’m pretty sure Power Drive came out before people were realizing the benefits of Alpha-GPC, and even after that point it took some time for Biotest to be happy enough with the product to release it.
No reason you can’t combine the two…
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Right, but the idea with Biotest is that they combine products and such to save money for the end user.
I.E, if Power Drive was sold with Alpha GPC in it, the combo would be cheaper than buying the two seperately.
Kinda like Alpha Male with the multiple T boosters would be much more expensive if you bought them seperately.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Spike and Power Drive are great, and as I understand it, Alpha-GPC is basically a nootropic and a form of choline.
They should have put Alpha-GPC in Power Drive.
Now that would have been cool.
I might be off base here, but I’m pretty sure Power Drive came out before people were realizing the benefits of Alpha-GPC, and even after that point it took some time for Biotest to be happy enough with the product to release it.
No reason you can’t combine the two…
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well, Alpha-GPC was in an EAS supp (Kickstart?) back in '03, so i don’t think that’s the reason. possibly something more to do with cost, like they weren’t able to make it cost effective until recently.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
I heard mention in the last thread about how people with ADD may not get the same effects. I was diagnosed with ADHD before it was the popular thing to do and spent most of my life on ritalin, concerta, adderral, or some other drug looking for something that would allow me to focus but still remain a normal human being.
That said (explains a lot, doesn’t it?) does anyone have any specific recommendations for someone with ADD or variants? I’ve got Vinpo and DMAE on the way but I want to look into others as well.[/quote]
this is true for me…i have ADD (inattentive disorder). i’ve taken choline, DMAE, Spike, and all the supps that affect acteylcholine, and have not really noticed anything. fo me the big pay off is increasing dopamine/norepinephrine…tyrosine and the amphetamine types. gingko works as well, but it needs to be a quality brand.
for me, i take 500-1000mg tyrosine several times a day with 100-200mg caffeine, and occasionally i’ll throw in 120mg ginkgo. i also take a choline cap once a day, but i don’t notice when i take this, just after a couple days and i haven’t.
but i can’t combine choline and tyrsoine, becasue that doesn’t work for me…i take the choline with a meal, and tyrosine on an empty stomach.
i would like to try modofanil, and may talk to my doc about that…
Anyone still posting and reading this thread?..So I finally got serious and started experimenting with racetams about a month ago. I must say piracetam has been a real help to me. My mind is clearer, focused, improved mood, better social intelligence, less social anxiety. I am more talkative, the words flow better. I find myself giving complements to strangers whereas I would never have done that before. I am more creative and come up with new ideas all the time. Anyone else notice a synergy between piracetam and taurine?
I added 500mgs in the morning with my piracetam because it (taurine)has its own ion channel modulating properties. Taurine by itself does nothing for me, but together they seem to give my pira a more intense and longer lasting kick. I also tried aniracetam a few times, it makes me a bit lightheaded, did nothing for my anxiety. It might be good for sitting at home studying, but not while driving around town because of the “high” feeling it gave me.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
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Vinpo is a powerful antioxidant for neurons. So if by some unfortunate chance he did have a stroke whilst on vinpo, then the damage would likely be less and the recovery better and more total.
BBB
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bushy, sorry this is somewhat off-topic, but do you have any ideas of things that might help peripheral neuropathy? I have two friends right now suffering from this. Friend A is 65, 10-year survivor of Stage IV colon cancer. Although chemo causes neuropathy, he didn’t have the neuropathy symptoms until 6 years after treatment. His problem is burning and stinging in his feet. Friend B is in his 20’s and just finished chemo and radiation treatment for nasal cancer, and has numbness in his hands and feet.
I’ve been using nootropics for over 5 years. In fact, I used them for 5 of my 6 years of pharmacy school. Some of the nootropics are fantastic. The main benefit I received from my stack was the ability to concentrate for long periods of time, which was a huge plus because as crazy as it sounds, medicinal chemistry is not very interesting. My memory improved too. Maybe it was a placebo-effect, maybe not. Either way, it was worth the money.
Two problems though. 1) The cost: I used bulk powders. I measured the ingredients out and encapsulated them myself. It was so, so much cheaper. It’s extremely expensive (in prefilled form) to get the dose you need for some of the nootropics.
Herbals: Because most herbal preparations contain a vast amount of chemicals, it’s hard to find reputable sources for the particular herbals that were used in the studies. For instance, the large majority of Rhodiola rosea’s clinical studies have been done using 3% rosavins. There are a lot of companies that are selling a watered-down version of Rhodiola. People wonder why it doesn’t work. It’s like advertsing Zocor, but not knowing the strength.
I dabbled in the nootropic industry for a year after I graduated because I was convinced of their benefits. In fact, I wasted $20k. However, itâ??s extremely hard to convince college kids that thereâ??s a big difference between nootropics and Red Bull. Why buy $60 worth of nootropics when you can purchase a Red Bull for $3, and be up all night.
[quote]andersons wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
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Vinpo is a powerful antioxidant for neurons. So if by some unfortunate chance he did have a stroke whilst on vinpo, then the damage would likely be less and the recovery better and more total.
bushy, sorry this is somewhat off-topic, but do you have any ideas of things that might help peripheral neuropathy? I have two friends right now suffering from this. Friend A is 65, 10-year survivor of Stage IV colon cancer. Although chemo causes neuropathy, he didn’t have the neuropathy symptoms until 6 years after treatment. His problem is burning and stinging in his feet. Friend B is in his 20’s and just finished chemo and radiation treatment for nasal cancer, and has numbness in his hands and feet.
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I read that benfotiamine (from americannutrition.com) has been used to treat alcoholic neuropathy and lipoic acid to treat diabetic neuropathy
If you have the means to get modafinil/provigil/nuvigil F&*%$#G GET IT!!! This stuff is my new love and kicks more ass than an ass-kicking team of ass-kickers. I really feel like I have a new lease on life with this stuff and for me it makes everything else seem like sprinkles on a sundae (ok, but not all that important).
I had an extremely hard time trying to convince students the benefits of nootropics over energy drinks. However, i’m a scientist, not a marketing expert. A large majority of mistakes made on tests are due to fatigue (caused from all-nighters) and from anxiety, not energy. However, Red Bull has done an excellent job convincing people that energy is energy, and that’s all that’s needed for mental performance.
Plus, like you said, the legalities surrounding nootropics make it difficult to mass produce a product. The government could shut you down at any point, and leave you with a lot of inventory.
How effective is creatine in terms of brain boosting function? I have heard it mentioned a couple of times as a nootropic, I have only really used it many years ago, and at the time wasn’t really looking for a cognitive boost so didn’t notice anything.
I just stumbled across this thread, really glad I did its very informative. Was just wondering what anyones thoughts were on a product called “psychotropin” Does it contain enough of each of the ingredients per serving? Or is it possibly overkill? Or as a begginer should i just look into the stack you suggested for begginers and go from there?
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
andersons wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
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Vinpo is a powerful antioxidant for neurons. So if by some unfortunate chance he did have a stroke whilst on vinpo, then the damage would likely be less and the recovery better and more total.
bushy, sorry this is somewhat off-topic, but do you have any ideas of things that might help peripheral neuropathy? I have two friends right now suffering from this. Friend A is 65, 10-year survivor of Stage IV colon cancer. Although chemo causes neuropathy, he didn’t have the neuropathy symptoms until 6 years after treatment. His problem is burning and stinging in his feet. Friend B is in his 20’s and just finished chemo and radiation treatment for nasal cancer, and has numbness in his hands and feet.
I read that benfotiamine (from americannutrition.com) has been used to treat alcoholic neuropathy and lipoic acid to treat diabetic neuropathy
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Thanks, middleageguy. I’ve read about both of those, plus a few others including acetyl-l-carnitine, for neuropathy, and they might work by clearing out advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs). It is kind of interesting that Friend A (who experienced the neuropathy so long after the chemo, which is odd) eats a diet higher in AGEs than anyone else I have ever seen. We are talking several quarts of Diet Coke per day, and virtually everything on the plate grilled or roasted till it’s nearly burnt. Lots of sugar and baked goods, and nearly no fresh fruits and vegetables.
