Boys Need More Football, Less Soccer

I’m not a teacher, but as the father of teenagers, I have had the same observations.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It may have something to do with the spiritual aspects but, as a high school teacher, it is the football players who have the most drive to succeed and the sense of accomplishment. As a group, the football players in my classes have been the best guys in the class.

It is no surprise that being a football player is a plus when a young man applies to one of our service academies. They have brains, balls, and wherewithal to keep going when the game plan goes to hell.

Football is, without a doubt, the greatest sport we have.

“I want an officer for a secret and dangerous mission; I want a West Point Football player,”
— General George C. Marshall during World War II
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I would like to nominate the Brazilian/African fighting style of Capoeira as the next wannabe trend.

It should be way more interesting than skinny guys running around all claiming they can beat up everyone 50-100lbs bigger than them because of their mad MMA skilz.

I’m beginning to think your folks got you that microscope so that you could see your penis.

They bought me a telescope too.[/quote]

So you can see penises from galaxies far, far away?

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I would like to nominate the Brazilian/African fighting style of Capoeira as the next wannabe trend.

It should be way more interesting than skinny guys running around all claiming they can beat up everyone 50-100lbs bigger than them because of their mad MMA skilz.

I’m beginning to think your folks got you that microscope so that you could see your penis.

They bought me a telescope too.

So you can see penises from galaxies far, far away?

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Obviously.

[quote]Wimpy wrote:
Eielson wrote:However, when you are the toughest kid in the football team you are a man.

If you want to attach manhood to a sport let’s take it to it’s natural conclusion and at least recommend sports which require the participant to face death - free solo climbing, alpine climbing, anything involving an angry bull, maybe bowhunting big game. [/quote]

You forgot freeride mountain biking.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
Nobody ever defined what manly is so we won’t ever agree when we don’t even know what we are trying to agree on.

Here are a few reasons why football would be considered manly.

First of all, injuries are happening every game, shoot almost ever practice. I’m not saying that getting hurt is manly. I’m just saying that football players have to play through a bunch of pain and play a sport that is extremely hard on the body.

When you sprain an ankle you aren’t expected to miss any games or practices. You aren’t even expected to take it easy. It isn’t just ankle sprains that was just one thing that popped into my head right away.

The way you are rewarded for getting hurt is getting to get up and go to practice at 8 in the morning and go through a 3 hour practice. A practice that has a very good chance at getting you hurt again.[/quote]

I’ve seen guys(football players) be out for weeks due to a sprained ankle. Big guys, tough guys walking around on crutches, certainly not playing a game. When your ankles the size of your thigh you cant play football, period.

When I was a freshman i came to school covered with several foot long road rashes, a football player said something to me like “i would have stayed home if i had that”, i bet he would have played football and let it bleed all over still too…Not.

Ive never heard of a football game being canceled for less than 6 inches of snow. I race downhill mountain bikes and there can be 3 feet of snow the night before and practice will continue on iced ground and by race time youll be in slush and mud, which is just as bad.

I saw a 40 year who cracked his skull the day before go on to race the next day. Last year in angel fire, new mexico, a guy separated his shoulder of all but one tendon on a mountain cross course. He went on to race and during it his shoulder ripped apart internally(the rest of the way), he then lost control and ended shooting a bank and flying into a tree. He separated the other shoulder on impact.

Shitty injuries happen in every sport, and weather or not they continue to play is based on the person and their choice. These people exist in all sports, not just football. Football isn’t the epitome of dangerous, manly sports.

Football isn’t the best, mountain biking isn’t the best, rock climbing, soccer, baseball, there all dangerous, period. Just because you or me enjoy one more doesn’t make it better.

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You can’t forget that football has the biggest, strongest, and even sometimes the fastest athletes. What is more manly? Lining up against a 6’5 270 pound man planning to run you over or a 5’6 135 pound guy that might bump into you when you have been running a lot and might be tired?[/quote]

A guy may be 6,5 and 270 lbs but hes still got a bunch of similarly sized guys going against him.

A weak 135lb guy hitting another is probably more dangerous then a 6’5" 270lb guy hitting a guy of equal size. This is because the weak guy doesn’t have weight training and muscle mass to defend his skinny ass OR big ass armor on therefore his weak ass is more likely to get injured.

Also, what about the fact that the soccer player could go run for hours while the football player has a heart attack because hes not conditioned for it.

Peoples view of a manly sport is skewed because of what they think is most important. Everyone has to understand that. Sports require training for what they do in the sport.

So the football player may be lifting weights, and slamming into one of those sled thingys. But, the soccer player will be out running, and kicking balls just as much. And I will be out riding my bike cross country, as well as sprinting and practicing technique.

What we should focus on is not which sport is harder, requires more training, or is better just because we like it more, but getting all the lazy kids, and adults off there asses and playing them.

The reality is we’ve got too many lazy people not playing sports. What makes a man isn’t what sport you play, its breaking away from the crowd and going out and doing something with your time and training to excel at whatever that is.

A 150 pound soccer player in great condition would make a better, Ranger, Green Beret, or Delta force guy than your average tough guy linebacker. All they have to do is to be able to shoot well, and go all day. Above relative average strength combined with great endurance is more than enough to be a great soldier.

And I would classify those kind of guys as tough guys.

Listen, football, soccer, mma and such are sports. They are recreation. I don’t think nay sport makes you tougher than any other sport.

Unless you’re a professional bull rider.

You want to talk tough, from my treating doc experience rodeo guys are both the most polite, least spoiled and toughest of all athletes. Hell, as far as I know PBR is the only sport were your opponent is on steroids, and everyone knows it. Finaplex, ie basically tren is the most anabolic and androgenic of the anabolics.

Did you ever see the yolk on those bulls?

Real men play rugby.

Yeah, at the end of the day, he’s my 2 cents.

If SPORTS are what you look at for a definition of manliness, you’re off base.

If you think SPORTS are the evolution of the ‘vision quests’ or ‘rites of passages’ from generations past, you’re wrong. Sure, there are some similarities, but, really - nothing in SPORTS ties to what those things were trying to do:

  1. You’re a man now. Do this, and then LEAVE.
  2. We have one final shot at weeding out the weak (aka, you might DIE doing this and then we’ll know you weren’t up to standards)
  3. Get used to this sort of trial. You will most likely die doing something like this defending your family/tribe/kin/clan.

But this has all been touched on in the pages of this thread - it’s very evident, whether you THINK that it’s football, soccer, bear wrestling, or whatever GAME (yeah, it’s all games)…that is what is the measure of a man, it sounds like there are a lot of people with off-kilter values here.

Killing or hurting someone or almost being killed or hurt doesn’t make you manly.

The measure of a man is how HE reacts in those and EVERY situation…it’s a cumulative effect.

The guy who jumps on a grenade - yeah, that’s manly - not 'cuz he got hurt or died - but because he was selfless and knew he wouldn’t be around for the accolades, but that the other guys would be able to see their kids one day.

Now, remind me - how does that tie into tackling a dude, or kicking a goal, or hitting a ball with a bat?

You are the man you are when no one is watching.

[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:

You are the man you are when no one is watching.[/quote]

Deep.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:

You are the man you are when no one is watching.

Deep.[/quote]

The man I am scratches his balls.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:

You are the man you are when no one is watching.

Deep.

The man I am scratches his balls.[/quote]

Hey, as long as you realize that’s OK, then you’re good to go. Why scratch 'em in private. We all KNOW we do that.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:

You are the man you are when no one is watching.

Deep.

The man I am scratches his balls.

I do that when people are watching. Must be my latent desire to be a major league baseball player.[/quote]

Now, see - that’s a reason to play ball - public ball scratching. None of this “prove I’m manly” b.s.!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:

You are the man you are when no one is watching.

Deep.

The man I am scratches his balls.[/quote]

I bleed my own blood.

I thought this thread title was the best one I’ve seen in a long time. I jumped to the back and read the last four or five posts. Despite the fact that sen say and push are two of my favorite guys on the whole site, this conversation indicates we are all fucking crazy.
Crazy Train…ALL ABOARD!!! Doc

I’m not crazy, my brain is.

I am crazy!

[quote]Eielson wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
Eielson wrote:However, when you are the toughest kid in the football team you are a man.

Hyperbole? I’ve known plenty of guys that were physically tough on the field but had the intellectual and emotional maturity of a Downs syndrome child. As has been stated already - the sport you play isn’t what makes you a man.

A tough football player is going to be a tough person. Call them immature or whatever you want but they are still tough. The toughest soccer players are usually not tough at all.[/quote]

What exactly are you basing this idea on? That means essentially that all of the world’s best athletes outside of this country are “not tough at all” since the rest of the worlds best athlete’s tend to play soccer. Most of the people that know me probably would not categorize me as “not tough at all.”

i have not read any response and all i’m going to say is that boys need 2 things

1- gymnastics.
2- wrestling.

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
i have not read any response and all i’m going to say is that boys need 2 things

1- gymnastics.
2- wrestling.[/quote]

Agreed. Although I’m not entirely sold on the wrestling though. Don’t want 'em catching teh ghey.