Boys/Girls Restrooms = Discrimination

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?

Somewhat on-topic story: When I was in the 2nd grade, the school I attended was a small one, with the only bathrooms in the basement - the girls on one side, the boys on the other. I got detention once for daring to set foot on the boys’ side (literally ‘set foot’; I took one foot, and stepped across the dividing line).

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I cannot come up with an enlightening, witty, or comprehensive remark on this topic. Really, is Maine so boring that they are trying to fuck with boundaries that make life easier?

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[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?
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Yeah I can totally see miss Jane being completely comfortable “pissing and shitting” or trying to apply her makeup while in the midst of half a dozen fat hairy truckers, and it would be totally outlandish to think a little girl would be uncomfortable going to the bathroom in the same room as fully grown men. Simply inconceiveable!

there is no logical defense for this patten of thinking.

Are we just going to take the men’s and women’s signs off the bathroom doors and make them both unisex? haha I swear some people are retarded

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[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?

Somewhat on-topic story: When I was in the 2nd grade, the school I attended was a small one, with the only bathrooms in the basement - the girls on one side, the boys on the other. I got detention once for daring to set foot on the boys’ side (literally ‘set foot’; I took one foot, and stepped across the dividing line).[/quote]

Just because you do not wish to have dignity does not mean others do not. Out of the half dozen girls I have talked to about this, they have all said that they would not feel comfortable with men in their bathrooms while they were going to the bathroom, most even turn on the water if there is a possibility there is a man outside the door.

As well, I do not think that parents or myself would feel comfortable having little girls coming into the bathroom when I whip out my cock to take a piss at the urinal. I am not shy, however I can attempt to believe that it is no appropriate for little girls to be subjected to that. If a guy is in the bathroom and sees my cock, different, he has one, little girls do not.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?
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Yeah I can totally see miss Jane being completely comfortable “pissing and shitting” or trying to apply her makeup while in the midst of half a dozen fat hairy truckers, and it would be totally outlandish to think a little girl would be uncomfortable going to the bathroom in the same room as fully grown men. Simply inconceiveable!

there is no logical defense for this patten of thinking.

Are we just going to take the men’s and women’s signs off the bathroom doors and make them both unisex? haha I swear some people are retarded[/quote]

I’m with RBlue.

The fact that some of you only seem to think of women as frilly delicate rose dropping creatures and men as hairy truckers is part of the reason I think it’s probably a good idea. I recognize there are elements of our society that enjoy and benefit from that classification of men and women but I am not one of them.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?

Somewhat on-topic story: When I was in the 2nd grade, the school I attended was a small one, with the only bathrooms in the basement - the girls on one side, the boys on the other. I got detention once for daring to set foot on the boys’ side (literally ‘set foot’; I took one foot, and stepped across the dividing line).[/quote]

Just because you do not wish to have dignity does not mean others do not. Out of the half dozen girls I have talked to about this, they have all said that they would not feel comfortable with men in their bathrooms while they were going to the bathroom, most even turn on the water if there is a possibility there is a man outside the door.

As well, I do not think that parents or myself would feel comfortable having little girls coming into the bathroom when I whip out my cock to take a piss at the urinal. I am not shy, however I can attempt to believe that it is no appropriate for little girls to be subjected to that. If a guy is in the bathroom and sees my cock, different, he has one, little girls do not.[/quote]

Pretending women are something they are not (creatures that, like men, use bathrooms) is not dignity. It strikes me a ridiculous that a grown woman would be so hung up on peeing that she would run some water to hide the fact. That is incredibly fucked IMO. What kind of princesses do you hang with?

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I don’t think this is a good idea. I don’t want to take my pants down in the same room as pantsless men; it has a sexual connotation that I don’t want to deal with every time I pee.

I’m sensitive to the problems this raises for transgender people, but I think that can be dealt with in ways other than unisex bathrooms for everybody.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?

Somewhat on-topic story: When I was in the 2nd grade, the school I attended was a small one, with the only bathrooms in the basement - the girls on one side, the boys on the other. I got detention once for daring to set foot on the boys’ side (literally ‘set foot’; I took one foot, and stepped across the dividing line).[/quote]

Just because you do not wish to have dignity does not mean others do not. Out of the half dozen girls I have talked to about this, they have all said that they would not feel comfortable with men in their bathrooms while they were going to the bathroom, most even turn on the water if there is a possibility there is a man outside the door.

As well, I do not think that parents or myself would feel comfortable having little girls coming into the bathroom when I whip out my cock to take a piss at the urinal. I am not shy, however I can attempt to believe that it is no appropriate for little girls to be subjected to that. If a guy is in the bathroom and sees my cock, different, he has one, little girls do not.[/quote]

Pretending women are something they are not (creatures that, like men, use bathrooms) is not dignity. It strikes me a ridiculous that a grown woman would be so hung up on peeing that she would run some water to hide the fact. That is incredibly fucked IMO. What kind of princesses do you hang with?[/quote]

Women that have class, I guess. How about this, since it is such a problem that a man would care about a woman enough to respect her privacy while she does something that should be private. I, as a man, do not want women to come into my sanctuary of repulse. Yes, I understand women take defecate and eliminate waste just like men, however I do not want to see it, as I do not want to see another man do it.

Further on my comment on privacy, if the act is not supposed to have some level of privacy why are there stales, why don’t we just do the whole shebang and just line all sides of the bathroom with toilets sans stales and do it in public. Why even go into a room, just set up next to a tree with some wipes and shit in public. Hell, why even go outside, no privacy right, just put a bin in every room, in the corner, and just push away in class, at work.

Oh, yeah we used to do that when we weren’t as civilized, great so we are going backwards now. So much for progress. Old ideas said to be new.

We are civilized, there is a difference between necessity like animals, and knowing what’s proper and doing it. Why do people have such difficulty doing what is right, because it is right.

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[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I don’t think this is a good idea. I don’t want to take my pants down in the same room as pantsless men; it has a sexual connotation that I don’t want to deal with every time I pee.

I’m sensitive to the problems this raises for transgender people, but I think that can be dealt with in ways other than unisex bathrooms for everybody.[/quote]

I’ll google, it but I’m not sure what transgender means, is this the confused bunch. Don’t know if they are man or woman, or are they the ones with a female body and a penis, or a man’s body with a vagina?

[Edit: Nevermind, I understand now. Like I said bathrooms are not assigned by gender, they are assigned by sex. Know the difference, if everyone has so much trouble just name one bathroom cocks and one bathroom vagina’s. If they have a problem reading, just post a picture of each sex on the door so people can understand.]

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brother chris… real talk

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You either would have to be insane, or perverted, or seriously out of touch with your sexuality to take this seriously.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
You either would have to be insane, or perverted, or seriously out of touch with your sexuality to take this seriously.

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You do realize this is the norm in Europe, right? At least, it was the case in Paris a few years back.

Not that I like the idea, but it’s a stretch to call it “insane” or “perverted”.

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Where will the men’s urinals go? Will they be placed in every bathroom, or will men have to start using the toilet in a stall? Will we have to put the seat down, or wipe it clean everytime?

I spoke to my wife about this topic at church. She was also open to the idea. She did not like the fact that the locker rooms would be open to guys, but bathrooms she was ok with. She had an issue with open urinals though.

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From what I saw in Paris, it was all stalls.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
You either would have to be insane, or perverted, or seriously out of touch with your sexuality to take this seriously.

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You do realize this is the norm in Europe, right? At least, it was the case in Paris a few years back.

Not that I like the idea, but it’s a stretch to call it “insane” or “perverted”.[/quote]

Forelife - we’re talking about high school kids. Yes, I would stick by those adjectives.

As far as Paris and Europe generally - yes, I’ve seen that sort of thing occasionally in “divey” bars around, say, Montmarte; but not generally, no. And from what I know about the French (much of my family lives in Paris), I’m quite sure that genderless bathrooms would not go over very well.

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Actually, the “genderless” bathrooms were in the major touristy locations that I visited in Paris (Notre Dame, Versailles, etc.). And of course they weren’t age restricted, so it included kids.

What I did find a little insane was having to pay to use the public toilet.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Actually, the “genderless” bathrooms were in the major touristy locations that I visited in Paris (Notre Dame, Versailles, etc.). And of course they weren’t age restricted, so it included kids.

What I did find a little insane was having to pay to use the public toilet.[/quote]

I don’t recall that - but I’ll take your word for it. I’ll ask my brothers/sisters about all that. I’ll bet those places are pretty well patroled. In any case, it cetainly isn’t the “norm.” And for good reason.

Anyway, here’s the thing: it’s not a school environment with pretty much JUST a bunch of hormone-soaked kids. A set up like that is just ASKING for trouble.

Moreover, many kids feel embarrased about taking off their clothes in front of other boys (and presumably there are many girls who feel the same way) - nevermind the opposite sex.

And here’s the other thing: why? I mean is there really a good reason to do this? Because I haven’t heard one yet.

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It allows Transgenders that have the opposite body part or lack there of to use the appropriate bathroom. I personlly do not agree with this logic, but it is an argument. If you have a penis go to the boys room, if you have a vagina go to the girls room. I dont care which sex you are more aligned with. This topic is going on in Houston also. The openly homosexual mayor is trying to get city council to pass a law like the one we are discussing.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
What’s the big deal? In residence, we had unisex bathrooms/showers. The world did not implode, and no women felt their ‘dignity’ was undermined. When it’s all said and done, women and men all shit, piss, and clean themselves (or at least, most clean themselves); why is it so important to have separate rooms for them to do it in?

Somewhat on-topic story: When I was in the 2nd grade, the school I attended was a small one, with the only bathrooms in the basement - the girls on one side, the boys on the other. I got detention once for daring to set foot on the boys’ side (literally ‘set foot’; I took one foot, and stepped across the dividing line).[/quote]

Just because you do not wish to have dignity does not mean others do not. Out of the half dozen girls I have talked to about this, they have all said that they would not feel comfortable with men in their bathrooms while they were going to the bathroom, most even turn on the water if there is a possibility there is a man outside the door.

As well, I do not think that parents or myself would feel comfortable having little girls coming into the bathroom when I whip out my cock to take a piss at the urinal. I am not shy, however I can attempt to believe that it is no appropriate for little girls to be subjected to that. If a guy is in the bathroom and sees my cock, different, he has one, little girls do not.[/quote]

Pretending women are something they are not (creatures that, like men, use bathrooms) is not dignity. It strikes me a ridiculous that a grown woman would be so hung up on peeing that she would run some water to hide the fact. That is incredibly fucked IMO. What kind of princesses do you hang with?[/quote]

Women that have class, I guess. How about this, since it is such a problem that a man would care about a woman enough to respect her privacy while she does something that should be private. I, as a man, do not want women to come into my sanctuary of repulse. Yes, I understand women take defecate and eliminate waste just like men, however I do not want to see it, as I do not want to see another man do it.

Further on my comment on privacy, if the act is not supposed to have some level of privacy why are there stales, why don’t we just do the whole shebang and just line all sides of the bathroom with toilets sans stales and do it in public. Why even go into a room, just set up next to a tree with some wipes and shit in public. Hell, why even go outside, no privacy right, just put a bin in every room, in the corner, and just push away in class, at work.

Oh, yeah we used to do that when we weren’t as civilized, great so we are going backwards now. So much for progress. Old ideas said to be new.

We are civilized, there is a difference between necessity like animals, and knowing what’s proper and doing it. Why do people have such difficulty doing what is right, because it is right.[/quote]

Dignity? Class? Civilized? What a fucking joke.

Yes, the act is supposed to have some level of privacy. Yes, that’s why there are stalls. Any unisex bathrooms I’ve been in have ALSO had stalls. Hence, they’ve ALSO had that same level of privacy.

Does it make you feel like a big man to attack my character, simply because I disagree about this being problematic?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
It allows Transgenders that have the opposite body part or lack there of to use the appropriate bathroom. I personlly do not agree with this logic, but it is an argument. If you have a penis go to the boys room, if you have a vagina go to the girls room. I dont care which sex you are more aligned with. This topic is going on in Houston also. The openly homosexual mayor is trying to get city council to pass a law like the one we are discussing.[/quote]

Right - so I can understand I suppose why a transgender “guy” would want to be in the “guys” bathroom. That’s fine. That still isn’t an argument for why we need to have “genderless” bathrooms.