Arguing on the internet, is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win you’re still retarded.
[quote]kamui wrote:
what could have happend :
-the family eat a sandwich
-they doesn’t pay it
-the security arrest them before they left the store
-the family explains it’s a mistake and offers to repair said mistake by paying the sandwich.
-The store managers accept the $5
-end of story
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Not quite the end of the story:
-every shoplifter explains that they made a mistake, forgot to pay, and offers to pay it now, after they’ve been caught
-security guard buys this story, is soon fired
-store manager allows shoplifters to use this story, is soon out of business because there are no consequences for theft
You are basing your assumptions on these people making an honest mistake without knowing the facts.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah, the response is over the top…but it is also justifiable and legal.
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Man I wish I had Push’s gold picture.
If there is ever a new superhero dubbed “Illogical Man” - it will be you.
Need a nonsensical exaggerated contradictory argument to obfuscate the point? Illogical Man to the rescue!
You are unintentionally funny…and that’s the best kind of funny.
[quote]-every shoplifter explains that they made a mistake, forgot to pay, and offers to pay it now, after they’ve been caught
-security guard buys this story, is soon fired
-store manager allows shoplifters to use this story, is soon out of business because there are no consequences for theft
You are basing your assumptions on these people making an honest mistake without knowing the facts. [/quote]
If they offers to pay it now everytime, then there’s no loss.
Maybe there would be more shoplifters, people thinking “if i get caught, i will just use this story”.
But as long as you catch them all and as long as they don’t refuse to pay, there’s no loss.
Granted, they would be an added cost : the security required to catch them all.
The “systematic prosecution policy”, which is clearly and predictably abusive in many cases, simply allow the store the save this security cost… at the expense of the community.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Raping cashiers and eating a wholesome meat sandwich are the same?[/quote]
Holy shit 14 pages already!
I thought about this some more while I was looking for shoplifters in the grocery store last night, and I actually had a similar incident! Then I read through this thread and re-read the article.
First of all, the article linked in the OP is missing some info and glossing over some important details. It doesn’t mention whether the sandwich wrapper was left in the cart and the cashier simply missed it, or if it was stashed in a pocket or purse. That makes a big difference in my mind. It also fails to mention why the wife and husband were both arrested, let alone arrested at all. As I mentioned earlier, most of these shoplifting cases result in a quick cite-and-release. It doesn’t explain why they were held for four hours before the police finally took them in. The fact that the article played up the sympathy angle so heavily but left out this important info says a lot to me. We have the couple’s side of the story as presented to the media and written to sell papers, and the police and Safeway are unlikely to publish their full side of the story because it is an ongoing investigation and legal issue.
From my experience, the only reasons they would be arrested is if they had some warrants or an egregious rap sheet, or if they caused a serious disturbance. I also doubt they would both be held accountable for one forgotten sandwich, especially to these extremes. It is unlikely that they had warrants or a long record since they had only been in Hawaii for a couple of weeks, so I suspect that they caused a major scene. For them to be detained for hours and both arrested would otherwise indicate that both the security guard and the police officer were some sort of rogue hardasses.[/quote]
I posted a link to another article that cited her claim that the wrapper WAS in the cart.
Safeway is already “troubled” by how it was handled and has not yet pressed charges.
Gregron has already explained that there is a prejudice on the island against white mainlanders.
No, we do not yet have “complete” information. But it still doesn’t add up to the arrest and prolonged detention of two parents and the SEIZURE of a small child.
Safeway drops the charges:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20129057/safeway-drops-charges-against-parents-over-$5/
update: Safeway dropped the charge
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/15930625/safeway-drops-shoplifting-charge
Probably the only PR move they could make, regardless of the facts.
The new story now mentions that both sandwiches were eaten: [quote]Last week, the Safeway store on Beretania Street had the couple arrested for not paying for two sandwiches they ate while shopping.[/quote]
There is also this from the pregnant lady: [quote]“Trying to get accustomed to the attention is taking a little time,” she said.[/quote] This is meaningless to the whole situation, but you took it to the media looking for said attention, right?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ulty, good posts. I agree.[/quote]
Do you also agree with what I said above?
Arrested for the night, mugshots, etc. for a 5$ sandwhich.
It’s true when they say that it’s much better to steal millions than cents.[/quote]
What did you think I meant by the reaction being over the top? That is why I mentioned drug laws. We both agree on the expense and the waste…but it still a crime and if we focus on that, then we must also be against all of these other wastes of times and useless wastes of tax dollars…BUT PEOPLE AREN’T.
They will complain about this one story due to emotion or stereotypes…but say nothing against throwing some kid in jail for a week for carrying half a gram of weed.[/quote]
I changed my mind.
You’re “Captain Fallacious” to the rescue. LOL
Your anaologies are over the fucking top man.
Now we’re comparing drug possession and such to the alleged “theft” of a $5 sammich.
And now you’re alleging, with no such evidence as usual, that we all don’t care if anyone gets locked up for a week over a dime bag of weed.
Tell ya what Doctor; find a fucking article about someone being locked up for a week with a dimebag of weed, start a thread, and we’ll pollute it with fallacious arguments and nonsensical analogies.
I’ll say something like, yeah, it was only a dimebag of weed, but is it IMPOSSIBLE that he wasn’t connected to a Mexican cartel and the dimebag was merely a sample of a much larger shipment? Are you saying that’s IMPOSSIBLE??!!
LOL
[quote]kamui wrote:
Indeed.
What everyone seems to forget is this part :
All I “see” are dumb people.
Seriously.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
what could have happend :
-the family eat a sandwich
-they doesn’t pay it
-the security arrest them before they left the store
-the family explains it’s a mistake and offers to repair said mistake by paying the sandwich.
-The store managers accept the $5
-end of story
[/quote]
Not quite the end of the story:
-every shoplifter explains that they made a mistake, forgot to pay, and offers to pay it now, after they’ve been caught
-security guard buys this story, is soon fired
-store manager allows shoplifters to use this story, is soon out of business because there are no consequences for theft
You are basing your assumptions on these people making an honest mistake without knowing the facts.[/quote]
you started reasonably, but now you’re falling down this fallacious trap. there is a big fucking difference between someone walking out of a store with good CONCEALED upon their body with obvious intent to steal, and someone consuming a sammich, retaining the wrapper, and alleging they forgot to pay.
let’s not get fancy here.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
update: Safeway dropped the charge
Probably the only PR move they could make, regardless of the facts.
The new story now mentions that both sandwiches were eaten: [quote]Last week, the Safeway store on Beretania Street had the couple arrested for not paying for two sandwiches they ate while shopping.[/quote]
There is also this from the pregnant lady: [quote]“Trying to get accustomed to the attention is taking a little time,” she said.[/quote] This is meaningless to the whole situation, but you took it to the media looking for said attention, right?[/quote]
they took it to the media to GET THEIR DAUGHTER BACK!
What would you do?
daughter was not returned until 18 hours passed!
do you have a child?
i’d call fucking paris hilton if you were holding my fucking child and i thought it would help his return.
I hope this couple GETS PAID IN AN ESCALADE just to piss off X.
?How is this pissing me off?
Dude, you have issues. The only one who seems worked up here…is you.
This thread isn’t 14 pages because no one is interested in the back and forth.
These people still stole a sandwich. That is the ONLY point anyone else is making. I don’t see one single person here saying they needed to have their child removed or that jail was a necessity.
Like I said…check that blood pressure. You’re getting too old for this.
[quote]xlpicard wrote:
Arguing on the internet, is like running in the special olympics…Even if you win you’re still retarded.
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EDITED TO KEEP IT PG:
You’re a friggin turd for making fun of special Olympic competitors. Those people have more courage and a bigger heart than you’ll ever have. You should be ashamed of yourself… Now GTFO 
[quote]Ulty wrote:
I have also seen people pocket an item, and I get all amped up to stop them, but then they take it out at the register. I don’t know why they do this. In Nebraska, even the act of concealing merchandise that has not been paid for is illegal, but we don’t stop people for this reason alone, and I have never heard of someone being convicted of only that. They have to leave the store with it.[/quote]
I do this all the time because I can’t be bothered to carry a basket.
I put stuff in my purse and take it out at the cash register.
Now I know why I always have the feeling of someone following me. And I thought I was just paranoid.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
This type of event does sort of speak to varying degrees of honesty that some people have. There really are a lot of people who believe that they can walk around a store chowing down and have no qualms or doubts at all about not paying for it.
My sis used to do this (and I’d assume still does) even to the extent of grabbing hands full of certain items like yogurt coated raisins, and virtually any small fruits or veggies and feeding them to her kid. I asked her about it once, and she said it wasn’t stealing at all, citing how much she was spending and the fact that “they don’t even count that type of stuff” as her rationale for doing it.
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Right-o. Yet we have a few experts running around here saying that if you somehow present a scannable tag on some 1/2 empty bag, it’s not stealing whatsoever. I keep looking for that try before you buy sign at my local store. So far, nothing.[/quote]
Yep…I don’t see those signs either.
I wonder if I can use the toilet paper before I leave the store?[/quote]
I have also never seen one sign in any grocery store that I have ever visited that eating while shopping is prohibited.[/quote]
Ugh. Fail. There’s also no sign that clearly states raping our cashiers is prohibited. Store policy trumps all. [/quote]
It’s a fucking store selling mostly food items.
Loads of people eat while shopping. If the stores don’t like it, they should do something to prevent it.[/quote]
they are trying to, but all these people in the thread are bitching that they aren’t allowed, LOL
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Most grocery stores I go to have free samples all over the place. They encourage people to eat while shopping.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Loads of people eat while shopping. If the stores don’t like it, they should do something to prevent it.[/quote]
they are trying to, but all these people in the thread are bitching that they aren’t allowed, LOL
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Most grocery stores I go to have free samples all over the place. They encourage people to eat while shopping. [/quote]
LOL. This ^^ is one of the best exchanges in this whole thread.
Grocery stores encourage people to eat “the FREE SAMPLES” not the items that are “For Sale”… Big difference.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
?How is this pissing me off?
Dude, you have issues. The only one who seems worked up here…is you.
This thread isn’t 14 pages because no one is interested in the back and forth.
These people still stole a sandwich. That is the ONLY point anyone else is making. I don’t see one single person here saying they needed to have their child removed or that jail was a necessity.
Like I said…check that blood pressure. You’re getting too old for this.[/quote]
Reading fail.
You amuse me, not anger me. You’re quite harmless dude.
And if I’m so old, why aren’t you stronger than me yet? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
And, let’s not let the law cloud your argument; it’s only “theft” if there was intent. So, harkening back to an earlier post of yours, until a judge or jury declares they “stole”, no such theft was committed.
Amiright?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Loads of people eat while shopping. If the stores don’t like it, they should do something to prevent it.[/quote]
they are trying to, but all these people in the thread are bitching that they aren’t allowed, LOL
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Most grocery stores I go to have free samples all over the place. They encourage people to eat while shopping. [/quote]
Grocery stores encourage people to eat “the FREE SAMPLES” not the items that are “For Sale”… Big difference.[/quote]
But they do nothing to prevent it.
They really can’t because it is mostly parents with children who are doing the eating. If they were to try and stop it, parents would shop elsewhere.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Loads of people eat while shopping. If the stores don’t like it, they should do something to prevent it.[/quote]
they are trying to, but all these people in the thread are bitching that they aren’t allowed, LOL
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Most grocery stores I go to have free samples all over the place. They encourage people to eat while shopping. [/quote]
Grocery stores encourage people to eat “the FREE SAMPLES” not the items that are “For Sale”… Big difference.[/quote]
they don’t discourage it either. you cannot argue it’s not a common practice - whether you agree with it or not. since it IS a common practice, simple logic (not so simple to some) would lead one to conclude that IF supermarkets wanted to discourage the practice, they would. Simple signage would make their position clear.