Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

BlakeAJackson · January 7, 2012, 7:57pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more thing…some of you who have this weird habit of trying to psychoanalyze people over the internet need to actually work on getting a degree in it that didn’t come out of a cereal box. [/quote]

I am not sure if it is a symptom of a postmodern world or simply a tactic to try and bait someone further into an argument. I use it as the later. What bothers me is the enormous subtext that people add, which is similar, but I think is simply a reading comprehension issue.

To think a 30yr old man who is on a date with his wife of 4yrs who is 7 months prego, his high school sweet heart of 12+, and he is still walking around trying to act tough is a subtext, and a completely fictional one. The only thing I am worried about is the happiness, safety, and prosperity of my family. I really though simply telling the kid, sorry I am not going to give you my ticket, would have ended the conversation. Trust me when I say I was completely shocked it didn’t. As for the guy who says you should have said I threw mine away to, that is 20/20 hindsight. I didn’t care that they snuck in to the movie, I didn’t care he asked for my ticket, I cared that he kept escalating the situation when I was a paying customer, an adult, much to big for him to intimidate, and I was out with my wife.

atypical1 · January 7, 2012, 8:56pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more thing…some of you who have this weird habit of trying to psychoanalyze people over the internet need to actually work on getting a degree in it that didn’t come out of a cereal box.

Both my parents were teachers and my dad was a Vietnam Vet. They didn’t raise us to be disrespectful to authority so those words would never come out of my mouth unless I was speaking to one of my peers.

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater spoke like that to someone who not only was a stranger, but was older than them, had a girl with him and was way bigger. That’s just dumb.[/quote]

Nobody was trying to psychoanalyze you. I’m simply trying to understand your perspective because we are obviously seeing things very differently. I simply can’t understand how someone could think that “showing the kid who’s boss” by getting into the ring with them is a good idea. You’re not giving any glimpse into why you think the way you do so we’re forced to make stuff up.

I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him. The same can be said for boxing your kid. OK, so they are scared to get into the ring with you, so what? That in and of itself won’t stop them from lying or doing the other sort of behavior that you’re trying to teach them not to do. But you keep latching onto the notion that fear works to motivate people. But all fear does is make people loathe you which is the opposite of what you want as a parent.

james

Professor_X · January 7, 2012, 10:43pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more thing…some of you who have this weird habit of trying to psychoanalyze people over the internet need to actually work on getting a degree in it that didn’t come out of a cereal box. [/quote]

I am not sure if it is a symptom of a postmodern world or simply a tactic to try and bait someone further into an argument. I use it as the later. What bothers me is the enormous subtext that people add, which is similar, but I think is simply a reading comprehension issue.

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Yeah, I agree with the reading comprehension thing, but they really seem to “attack” if you don’t agree with them. That last post I responded to is a prime example of that. Somehow, he has deduced that I only respect people who can beat me up. You HAVE to be trying to bait someone to act like that.

It would be one thing if the responses were barely legible, but that isn’t the case. They won’t respond to exactly what’s written. They will simply assume a bunch of shit in order to make it seem like nothing being said in opposition makes any sense.

Unless you are against all forms of physical discipline, acting like boxing gloves are so different than a belt is ludicrous. This was a controlled environment. The father was not in a rage. He had the kid suit up.

As far as your issue, I do find it funny that they chose to harp on your size being an issue instead of the kid’s response to you telling him no. That kid’s response is because he felt ENTITLED to your ticket.

You will also find that many here throw a hissy fit if you ever write anything about there being any difference in how people treat you based on size.

I personally wouldn’t have said what you did…but I can also understand the situation you were in.

roybot · January 7, 2012, 9:39pm

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

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It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.

BlakeAJackson · January 7, 2012, 10:00pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

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It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.

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Thanks man. I guess I come from a different perspective when I read these forums. I actually don’t assume the worse about the people who post on here. I actually assume that they are not normal by simple virtue that they are on here.

I didn’t edit what I said in they story. I didn’t plan what I was going to say. That was what I asked partly because I was in shock that a kid would talk to me that way. I truly was curious if he saw how big I was since he was trying to bullie me in to giving him my ticket. I could have told him to f-ck off.

I have delt with many high school kids over the years, often drunk, and have found that speaking to them in a way that reminds them they are not adults or your equal is effective in getting them to fall in line. This does not mean yelling at them. Speaking to them like they are not your equal gives them the out that they are kids and the opportunity to remove themselves from a situation that they are unable to handle. They kid apologized for swearing at me and quietly got up and left, I didn’t cause a scene and anyone out of range to here a normal tone of voice speaking would have not heard me.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:17pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]

This.

You might not be a douche but I’m sorry. I cannot imagine telling a group of kids “do you see how big I am”. If they have eyes, they can see how big you are. And I’ve never known your size to be a determining factor in anything other than buying larger clothes. But that’s just me.

Meh.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:19pm

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school.[/quote]

Actually, I’m genuinely more surprised that you didn’t just shrug and give the kid your ticket (which, at that point, was nothing more than trash to you) when he asked nicely enough in the first place.[/quote]

This.

I’d just give him the fucking ticket b/c ya know, as a teenager, I was want to sneak into a theater or two.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:20pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school.[/quote]

Actually, I’m genuinely more surprised that you didn’t just shrug and give the kid your ticket (which, at that point, was nothing more than trash to you) when he asked nicely enough in the first place.[/quote]

If I stole a tv. You were 99% sure I did, and I told you I was just moving it and asked you nicely to help me carry it would you?[/quote]

You sir have apparently graduated from the Prof X School of (fallacious) Logic.

Stealing a TV = Sneaking into the movies.

To graduate from this fine Institution, you need to possess a complete lack of proportion and, find logical connections where there are none

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:23pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
Also I can’t imagine two adults interacting that way, but I will tell you this I would have had a lot more harsh a response if it was someone my own age and size.

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wait a second… you said you couldnt imagine two adults interacting that way but then you say if it was someone your own age you would have been even more of a douche to them? Then yes, you most certainly can imagine two adults acting that way and worse.

Face it, you were being a dick to some highschoolers and thought you’d post about it in here and get pats on the back from people saying how well you handled it and that backfired. Not that big of a deal.

Should have just handed the kid your ticket or if you really didnt want to you could have said “I already threw mine out too.” Situation resolved without unnecessary posturing.[/quote]

I will admit I was wrong when you admit you would never call me a douch or a tool to my face. You obviously are extremely confrontation avoident other than name calling on the Internet. You may have muscle to look pretty I have them to do work if I need to. [/quote]

You’ve just affirmed your douchehood

Your woman told you that you were wrong. And now we are. You could have handled it more “gracefully”.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:26pm

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem to be missing that giving your ticket away means they can now steal glasses. I mean, sneaking into a movie at 12 years of age is “cute”. Doing it as a grown man is a crime. [/quote]

Uh, these kids were fourteen years old. No one is talking about letting a thirty-five year old man bum a ticket, so I’m at a loss as to where this “grown men” sneaking into movies thing is coming from.

And (gasp), no, I honestly, truly do not give a shit if a high school freshman snags a pair of movie glasses. The theaters I’ve been to have boxes where you can give them back so even if I happened to feel guilty I’d just return mine.[/quote]

You’re arguing logically. This is your first mistake. First you must think like him. Why don’t you say something like you wouldn’t allow those kids to gang bang your wife (in that theater) so why the hell would you give them your ticket!!!

Fuckin Duh dude.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:30pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I will admit I was wrong when you admit you would never call me a douch or a tool to my face. You obviously are extremely confrontation avoident other than name calling on the Internet. You may have muscle to look pretty I have them to do work if I need to. [/quote]

LOL at your attempt to psycho analyze me over two Internet posts.

Do you even realize how you’re coming across? You tried to use your size to I tmidate highschool kids in a movie theater while you were on a date with your wife… LOL

You are quite the tough guy aren’t you?

Grow up.[/quote]

While I can see that point, the issue he was bringing up was the complete lack of respect even in the face of someone who could wipe them out. That is valid.

As a kid, I would never have told someone older than me who outweighed me by 50lbs or more that I asked them a damn question.

You only do shit like that when you really believe you won’t get hurt…either that or drunk.

Edit:
I am still laughing at people here expecting him to risk getting himself and his wife kicked out of a movie all to help some dumbass kids who would act that way to a complete stranger.

I mean, do some of you just not think ahead when you do shit or what?[/quote]

I really don’t understand. I expect to be treated with a certain level of respect, sorry. I have worked hard to be and have what I have. I have a job, pay my own way in this world, workout regularly and treat all people the same way I expect to be treated. When that doesn’t happen I tend to let people know they are crossing me, again I apologize.

The first reason I workout is to be big and strong enough to help others if they need it. Something I am sure Gregon can understand being a firefighter. A close second is to be big enough that I and my family are as low on the list of possible targets for someone looking for trouble as possible, again something he should understand being married. All of that doesn’t mean shit if you aren’t willing to act when situations arise. I felt the situation escalating, not because I was being rude or aggressive myself, but because this kid had an attitude and no respect for adults. I handled then situation. I agree it didn’t need to go there, but I disagree that I played a role in that.

Edit: this was actually typed before my last post and is only now showing up. There is another post waiting to come through. Please wait for it I think we can squash this bs with that one.
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I don’t want to puncture this neat little cocoon you have created, but someone who is really “looking for trouble” doesn’t give a flying motherfuck how big you are. And that sir, is a fact.

roybot · January 7, 2012, 10:32pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

[/quote]

It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.

[/quote]

Thanks man. I guess I come from a different perspective when I read these forums. I actually don’t assume the worse about the people who post on here. I actually assume that they are not normal by simple virtue that they are on here.

I didn’t edit what I said in they story. I didn’t plan what I was going to say. That was what I asked partly because I was in shock that a kid would talk to me that way. I truly was curious if he saw how big I was since he was trying to bullie me in to giving him my ticket. I could have told him to f-ck off.

I have delt with many high school kids over the years, often drunk, and have found that speaking to them in a way that reminds them they are not adults or your equal is effective in getting them to fall in line. This does not mean yelling at them. Speaking to them like they are not your equal gives them the out that they are kids and the opportunity to remove themselves from a situation that they are unable to handle. They kid apologized for swearing at me and quietly got up and left, I didn’t cause a scene and anyone out of range to here a normal tone of voice speaking would have not heard me.

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Why should you have to submit to the demands of a stranger of any age? Giving them your stub would be just the latest in a long line of free passes if that’s how they react when they don’t get their way. I personally think you taught them a valuable and much-needed lesson.

Whenever I deal with kids of that age, I make a point of being polite but if they still respond with rudeness I’ll respond in kind. I don’t even expect them to respect me as the adult, but they should conduct themselves in a sociable way and know when to keep their behaviour in check. For instance, don’t draw negative attention to yourself after sneaking into a movie…

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:35pm

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more thing…some of you who have this weird habit of trying to psychoanalyze people over the internet need to actually work on getting a degree in it that didn’t come out of a cereal box. [/quote]

I am not sure if it is a symptom of a postmodern world or simply a tactic to try and bait someone further into an argument. I use it as the later. What bothers me is the enormous subtext that people add, which is similar, but I think is simply a reading comprehension issue.

To think a 30yr old man who is on a date with his wife of 4yrs who is 7 months prego, his high school sweet heart of 12+, and he is still walking around trying to act tough is a subtext, and a completely fictional one. The only thing I am worried about is the happiness, safety, and prosperity of my family. I really though simply telling the kid, sorry I am not going to give you my ticket, would have ended the conversation. Trust me when I say I was completely shocked it didn’t. As for the guy who says you should have said I threw mine away to, that is 20/20 hindsight. I didn’t care that they snuck in to the movie, I didn’t care he asked for my ticket, I cared that he kept escalating the situation when I was a paying customer, an adult, much to big for him to intimidate, and I was out with my wife.
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the fact that you felt the need to include the unnecessary details of the encounter in a child rearing thread speaks volumes of your mindset. your wife told you that you were off and now we have.

that’s not “baiting” it’s called calling a strike a strike.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:37pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

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It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.
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but he felt the need to tell us. and remind the kids “how big he is”.

prosecution rests.

months ago I had a teenager tell me (unsolicited) that he would throw a hot one in my ass. I forgot to remind him how big I was.

TheBodyGuard · January 7, 2012, 10:41pm

Anyway guys this has been fun but I’m tied up in a discussion on an Aviation/Pilot forum. What’s that you say? I’m not a fucking pilot? LOL Whatever dudes. I’ve flown on a plane before. I’ve got a pretty good idea of what to do. These fucking pilots just don’t understand.

roybot · January 7, 2012, 10:59pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

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It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.
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but he felt the need to tell us. and remind the kids “how big he is”.

prosecution rests.

months ago I had a teenager tell me (unsolicited) that he would throw a hot one in my ass. I forgot to remind him how big I was.
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Presumably he wasn’t sitting behind you in a movie theater at the time, in semi-darkness.

BlakeAJackson · January 8, 2012, 12:22am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

The issue here is these teenagers in question at the movie theater
I guess where I’m getting hung up in the theater discussion is the part in which his size even came into question. I mean so what if he’s bigger than the kids? How is that relevant in if they should respect him or not? And asking “don’t you see how big I am?” is a really chump move to make. His size wasn’t relevant to the discussion and that alone won’t make anyone respect you. Now, if he simply turned to them and asked them if that was any way to speak to someone without the caveat of “look at my big arms” then I don’t think that Gregron would have said anything to him.

[/quote]

It came into question when a child approaches a stranger and refuses to take no for an answer. What Blake said and did has been blown out of proportion - he didn’t stand up, flex his guns and reel off his arm measurements to the kids.
[/quote]

but he felt the need to tell us. and remind the kids “how big he is”.

prosecution rests.

months ago I had a teenager tell me (unsolicited) that he would throw a hot one in my ass. I forgot to remind him how big I was.
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Lol. Get youp bp checked bro you are way to excitable.

BlakeAJackson · January 8, 2012, 12:25am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Anyway guys this has been fun but I’m tied up in a discussion on an Aviation/Pilot forum. What’s that you say? I’m not a fucking pilot? LOL Whatever dudes. I’ve flown on a plane before. I’ve got a pretty good idea of what to do. These fucking pilots just don’t understand.
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Wtf. Talk about bad analogies. Pretty sure I know how to “get a life” as much as anyone in here. You won the Internet today bro.

BlakeAJackson · January 8, 2012, 12:33am