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A couple of thoughts after reading the first page of this thread:

#1 to the OP. congrats on the new family member. He is not all muscle by the way. He is clearly a bit fat.

#2 cropping ears is purely asthetic and usually a part of a breed’s standard, although some that require it are relaxing the requirement and allowing uncropped dogs. It is UNTRUE that cropped ears, as someone here said, leads to less infections. It always results in MORE. Always. Cropping exposes the ear where the ear wouldn’t otherwise be exposed naturally.

cropping is sometimes done for fighting and for hunting dogs that “catch” and fight its prey, but really, the ear is useless cartiledge and any “advantage” is debatable. there are pros and cons.

#3 docking of tails is done for various reasons, sometimes asthetics, sometimes, as pointed out, for health. there are a number of health reasons for docking depending on the breed.

#4. the level of exercise to properly “vent” a “hyper” dog depends on the breed and the dog. 30 minutes a day, as someone here said, is NOT necessarily enough. also know that the better shape you put the dog in, the more he will require exercise.

#5 some breeds are prone to being “hyper” but I would pay more attention to how the dog is bred - which is why personally i would never adopt a dog. hyper dogs and the like tend to be ill bred - and NO amount of exercise, or “training” as someone else alluded to, will fix poor breeding. perhaps make a dog more manageable, but it would be a challenge.

anyway, just some random thoughts…

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[quote]thick88 wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
rosheem wrote:
Thrower, consider yourself lucky for finding Joker…I have a boxer/mastiff and he looks exactly like yours. He’s been a great buddy for the whole family for almost 13 years now. He’s great with people…energetic when you want him to be, pretty laid-back the rest of the time.

We didn’t get him early enough to socialize him to other dogs, so we can’t take him to a dog park or anything like that. He goes absolutely nuts and tries to kill the other dogs. Looks like you might be in the same boat.
Sounds like you found a good one!

thats very interesting! looks just like mine hmmm? i would have expected a boxer mastiff mix to have more of a bulldog face(smashed in and droopy) and to be bigger. funny how the genetic dice get thrown and what results. he is actually shorter than an average boxer, which is why at only 90lbs he seems so damn THICK!

from the front, his face looks a lot like the pit-bull atomic dog posted. makes me wonder if when developing the pit bull breed if they used boxers and mastiffs???

magnus who posts here every now and then is a sort of pit bull expert. i wonder if he knows.

Pit bulls are the result of crossing the old style english bulldogge with the now extinct white terrier, with the goal of creating a dog with the strength & ferocity of the bulldogge & the speed & tenacity of the terrier, originally bred in Staffordshire england hence the staffordshire bull terrier, Americans wanted a larger dog, so bred for size & called it a pit bull (AKC calls it American Staffordshire terrier[all three are now distinct seperate breeds]). Bulldogs, Boxers, & Mastiff’s are all considered Mastiff breeds & are thought to have a common ancester, the oldest living mastiff breed is the Tibetan Mastiff, most likely very close to the original.[/quote]

You’re quoting from a book…and you’re wrong. There is much debate on the origins of the so called pit bull. The information you just posted is speculation you got from some book. as far as american wanting larger pitbulls, this is largely the result of crossign larger breeds and breeding for size, but the original pitbull terrier, over 200 years old, is alive and well here. and as you point out, the am staff and the american pitbull terrier are two different dogs, but by selection and breeding, not genetics. genetically, they are the same. one was bred for appearance, the other for gameness. no offense.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
A couple of thoughts after reading the first page of this thread:

#1 to the OP. congrats on the new family member. He is not all muscle by the way. He is clearly a bit fat.

#2 cropping ears is purely asthetic and usually a part of a breed’s standard, although some that require it are relaxing the requirement and allowing uncropped dogs. It is UNTRUE that cropped ears, as someone here said, leads to less infections. It always results in MORE. Always. Cropping exposes the ear where the ear wouldn’t otherwise be exposed naturally.

cropping is sometimes done for fighting and for hunting dogs that “catch” and fight its prey, but really, the ear is useless cartiledge and any “advantage” is debatable. there are pros and cons.

#3 docking of tails is done for various reasons, sometimes asthetics, sometimes, as pointed out, for health. there are a number of health reasons for docking depending on the breed.

#4. the level of exercise to properly “vent” a “hyper” dog depends on the breed and the dog. 30 minutes a day, as someone here said, is NOT necessarily enough. also know that the better shape you put the dog in, the more he will require exercise.

#5 some breeds are prone to being “hyper” but I would pay more attention to how the dog is bred - which is why personally i would never adopt a dog. hyper dogs and the like tend to be ill bred - and NO amount of exercise, or “training” as someone else alluded to, will fix poor breeding. perhaps make a dog more manageable, but it would be a challenge.

anyway, just some random thoughts…[/quote]

and you, are clearly a bit arrogant, and despite what you think, do not know it all. if you ever had a chance to wrestle with this dog, he would prove you wrong. i have had 170lb wolf hounds, and 150lb danes, they were no where near as strong as joker. also, if you ever have him a good feel, you would know he was as solid as a brick, and near invunurable to pain, as i found out the hard way. check out my workout log in the over 35 forum. sad story.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:
So I adopted Prime here last week from the local shelter and he is funny has hell. But I cant really figure out what he has in him. The vet says he dosent see any Pitt in him but can see Boxer in the head…I just cant see it so Ill put it to you all? What do you think?[/quote]

W/ a coat like that I would think some sort of Healer breed. I say that b/c most Healers have that kind of coat w/ the sparcity of black scattered throughout.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
A couple of thoughts after reading the first page of this thread:

#1 to the OP. congrats on the new family member. He is not all muscle by the way. He is clearly a bit fat.

#2 cropping ears is purely asthetic and usually a part of a breed’s standard, although some that require it are relaxing the requirement and allowing uncropped dogs. It is UNTRUE that cropped ears, as someone here said, leads to less infections. It always results in MORE. Always. Cropping exposes the ear where the ear wouldn’t otherwise be exposed naturally.

cropping is sometimes done for fighting and for hunting dogs that “catch” and fight its prey, but really, the ear is useless cartiledge and any “advantage” is debatable. there are pros and cons.

#3 docking of tails is done for various reasons, sometimes asthetics, sometimes, as pointed out, for health. there are a number of health reasons for docking depending on the breed.

#4. the level of exercise to properly “vent” a “hyper” dog depends on the breed and the dog. 30 minutes a day, as someone here said, is NOT necessarily enough. also know that the better shape you put the dog in, the more he will require exercise.

#5 some breeds are prone to being “hyper” but I would pay more attention to how the dog is bred - which is why personally i would never adopt a dog. hyper dogs and the like tend to be ill bred - and NO amount of exercise, or “training” as someone else alluded to, will fix poor breeding. perhaps make a dog more manageable, but it would be a challenge.

anyway, just some random thoughts…

and you, are clearly a bit arrogant, and despite what you think, do not know it all. if you ever had a chance to wrestle with this dog, he would prove you wrong. i have had 170lb wolf hounds, and 150lb danes, they were no where near as strong as joker. also, if you ever have him a good feel, you would know he was as solid as a brick, and near invunurable to pain, as i found out the hard way. check out my workout log in the over 35 forum. sad story. [/quote]

fair enough, arrogant yes on subjects where i’m a bit of an expert. conditioning dogs is a bit of a past time for me. i’m not saying he isn’t solid sir, for certainly he is and I take your word at that. but he is a bit overweight. that was my only real observation. i can see his relative condition bodyfat wise by the pic you provided. wrestling with him, or his relative strength is irrelevant.

it’s much the same as looking at someone and seeing whether they have abs or not. hope i cleared that up. i don’t need to see your work out log. i remember you and you’re a fellow beast deserving of respect. you have mine. from one serious lifter to another. anyway, so you know, dogs and lifting are my thing and have been for a very long time.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
bump!

i have received a few PM’s asking about boxers as a breed, positive and negatives, so i thought i would post a recent reply here.

"
positives:

very smart, very trainable, and very very good with children.

protective and playful and loyal.

very few congenital problems(some pure breeds have tons)’

maintenance free coat

negatives:

strong prey drive, cant be off leash in “mixed” company, as they will chase down and kill cats and other small furry things(small dogs are safe though)

can be loud and somewhat aggressive to strangers in their territory(your house)
in other words they bark quite a bit at the door/fence when they don’t know who is there.

oh, FYI, boxers love to wrestle and play fight. when they do, they snarl and growl, and can sound very vicious, and seems like they are serious. but it is just play, i would wrestle with my boxer every day, and my hand and arm would be in her jaws all the time, NEVER broke the skin once.

want a good time? get on all fours on the living room floor with your boxer, start growling at him/her and pawing with your hands and arms, the boxer will go crazy and try to wrestle you with his/her arms, my kids loved to watch this, it was hilarious! they would come and beg me to “wrestle with Georgia” for there entertainment all the time. it was better than Nickelodeon to them i swear! LOL "[/quote]

Boxers aren’t the only ones that enjoy play-fighting. Bailey is a pit that is larger than most. I believe he is an AmStaff/American mix. He’s 80lbs. And can play with the best of 'em! He changes a lot of people’s minds about the misconceptions that come with bully breeds.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
A couple of thoughts after reading the first page of this thread:

#1 to the OP. congrats on the new family member. He is not all muscle by the way. He is clearly a bit fat.

#2 cropping ears is purely asthetic and usually a part of a breed’s standard, although some that require it are relaxing the requirement and allowing uncropped dogs. It is UNTRUE that cropped ears, as someone here said, leads to less infections. It always results in MORE. Always. Cropping exposes the ear where the ear wouldn’t otherwise be exposed naturally.

cropping is sometimes done for fighting and for hunting dogs that “catch” and fight its prey, but really, the ear is useless cartiledge and any “advantage” is debatable. there are pros and cons.

i referred to my log because that s where i documented an unfortunate incident where he attacked a neighbors dog, and trying to rescue said dog i suffered a complete triceps tendon rupture. when he locked on, myself and 2 neighbors were unable to get him off, a combined 600 plus pounds of men were totally inadequate to him.
#3 docking of tails is done for various reasons, sometimes asthetics, sometimes, as pointed out, for health. there are a number of health reasons for docking depending on the breed.

#4. the level of exercise to properly “vent” a “hyper” dog depends on the breed and the dog. 30 minutes a day, as someone here said, is NOT necessarily enough. also know that the better shape you put the dog in, the more he will require exercise.

#5 some breeds are prone to being “hyper” but I would pay more attention to how the dog is bred - which is why personally i would never adopt a dog. hyper dogs and the like tend to be ill bred - and NO amount of exercise, or “training” as someone else alluded to, will fix poor breeding. perhaps make a dog more manageable, but it would be a challenge.

anyway, just some random thoughts…

and you, are clearly a bit arrogant, and despite what you think, do not know it all. if you ever had a chance to wrestle with this dog, he would prove you wrong. i have had 170lb wolf hounds, and 150lb danes, they were no where near as strong as joker. also, if you ever have him a good feel, you would know he was as solid as a brick, and near invunurable to pain, as i found out the hard way. check out my workout log in the over 35 forum. sad story.

fair enough, arrogant yes on subjects where i’m a bit of an expert. conditioning dogs is a bit of a past time for me. i’m not saying he isn’t solid sir, for certainly he is and I take your word at that. but he is a bit overweight. that was my only real observation. i can see his relative condition bodyfat wise by the pic you provided. wrestling with him, or his relative strength is irrelevant.

it’s much the same as looking at someone and seeing whether they have abs or not. hope i cleared that up. i don’t need to see your work out log. i remember you and you’re a fellow beast deserving of respect. you have mine. from one serious lifter to another. anyway, so you know, dogs and lifting are my thing and have been for a very long time. [/quote]

i referred to my log because that s where i documented an unfortunate incident where he attacked a neighbors dog, and trying to rescue said dog i suffered a complete triceps tendon rupture. when he locked on, myself and 2 neighbors were unable to get him off, a combined 600 plus pounds of men were totally inadequate to him.

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Friend of mine had a white Boxer (Floyd), he was the most muscular dog (in a BB ripped way) I’d ever seen. Impressive!

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

i referred to my log because that s where i documented an unfortunate incident where he attacked a neighbors dog, and trying to rescue said dog i suffered a complete triceps tendon rupture. when he locked on, myself and 2 neighbors were unable to get him off, a combined 600 plus pounds of men were totally inadequate to him.
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Ouch…what a way to get injured. They’re fairly easy to break up when you know how. Just have to know how, stay patient and don’t panick. The other person being competent helps alot too. I’m getting visions of “oh ish” though and all hell breaking loose :slight_smile:

Good luck with your dog…and the injury.

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there are some good looking dogs on here. this is MAGNUM he is a 10 and 1/2 week old english mastiff boxer mix his mother is a 100 lb boxer and his dad was 170 lb eng mastiff he should get t be about 120 to 170 lb he is solid muscle and a terror not a bad dog just wild in this pic he is 8 weeks and weighs in at 21 pounds from the vet scales scary how much it is gonna cost to feed

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[quote]catchnrelease420 wrote:
there are some good looking dogs on here. this is MAGNUM he is a 10 and 1/2 week old english mastiff boxer mix his mother is a 100 lb boxer and his dad was 170 lb eng mastiff he should get t be about 120 to 170 lb he is solid muscle and a terror not a bad dog just wild in this pic he is 8 weeks and weighs in at 21 pounds from the vet scales scary how much it is gonna cost to feed[/quote]

Thats one handsome dog.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
this! i adopted “joker” from a boxer rescue a few days ago, thought i would post a pic as i had never heard off or seen a boxer/mastiff mix before and i thought it yielded an interesting dog. to me he looks sort of like a real big pit- bull.

he is gentle and friendly to humans, but does not get along well with other dogs, and anything small and furry is lunch(strong prey-drive).

he is 90lbs of SOLID muscle. when playing tug of war, his strength is very impressive, and i do not impress easily, as a former owner of a 170lb Irish wolfhound and 120lb rottweiler/bulldog mix.

i know, kind of cheesy to post pics of dogs, but i could not help it. [/quote]

I wouldn’t worry about the picture of the dog, I’d worry about the ugly bastard on the left