Bowe Bergdahl

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
POW’s would be returned quickly if we made the cost of capturing American soldiers too high to endure. For every country that chooses to keep Americans hostage, destroy a city block every hour until they are returned, unscathed. Random cities. Easy peezy lemon squeezy. Fuck GIVING them a reason to capture Americans. If they know we have a weak assed president who will give up FIVE high level “detainees” for ONE piece of shit deserter, IMAGINE what we would give up for a real soldier? No, we should take that incentive away. Make the cost of the kidnapping/prisoner business too high. If anything, they would give a shot down pilot a ride back to the border.

We have the greatest and most powerful military in history. Yet we are consistently getting our asses kicked by these third world, piece of shit countries. We have pussy politicians and limp wristed bureaucrats running wars. Fuck that. The reason the entire third world thinks they can fuck with us is because we lack the will to use our force. Raze a city or two to the ground. Let them know the cost of attacking the United States of America OR our Citizens abroad. Make the cost unbearable. Take “negotiation” out of the equation. Seriously. Why the hell would we entertain the demands of some camel fucking muslim? ONE American soldier’s life is worth ten thousand of theirs, IMHO. Once they understand that, the American POW problem would go away quickly.[/quote]

Yeah, that strategy worked great for the Soviets in Afghanistan. Bashar al-Assad is also implementing it to great effect.[/quote]

No, it’s NOT the same strategy, nor the same context. The Soviets were and occupying force and Assad is the president of HIS OWN country. Neither of them have anywhere CLOSE to the air superiority, ordinance or military might of the United States of America. It is NOT comparable.

For the record, I KNOW it will never happen. No “civilized” Western politician these days has the will to win a fucking war anymore. This simplistic concern for the safety of “non-combatants” effectively hamstrings most effective strategies.

War hasn’t changed. It’s been an ugly, hideous monster for thousands of years. What HAS changed is scales of communication and the ability of MEDIA to bring the horrors of war into everyday households. So now politicians are under pressure to “sanitize” war. That’s impossible.[/quote]

The ISAF didn’t occupy Afghanistan? The DOD defines air supremacy as the “degree of air superiority wherein the opposing air force is incapable of effective interference”, so I’m unsure why you’re using the term to support your position. Terrorist organizations don’t field air forces. The disparity of power between the USSR (a superpower) and the mujahideen (a group of non-state actors) was enormous. Over 1,500,000 civilians were killed during the war. A bit more than two cities worth. Had Premier Angrychicken been at the helm of power, the Soviets could and probably would have glassed Afghanistan many times over. Circa 1979, it is comparable.

The “simplistic concern for non-combatants” is a keystone of counter-insurgency doctrine and international peremptory norms, but hey, that’s a bit more complex than air superiority. Yours isn’t a position of a hard nosed realism, but of a profound and disconcerting nescience.[/quote]

Agree with you here.

I do also agree with AC’s point about media and sanitizing war though.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

Thoughts? I still stand by the fact that it was right to bring him home. But now that he’s here…

I have a modicum of sympathy if you’re a draftee and a deserter. But Bergdhal is a stain on the entire Great State of Idaho. [/quote]

I agree. I want our Service Men and Women to know we got their back no matter what. That does not mean they will not face justice when they get home, but if possible, all service men should be brought home, even if to face trial.

Besides, we can implant trackers on the dicks we released, or release them and then shoot them. Something. Nevertheless, our soldiers deserve the confidence that we go their back and we will go the extra mile for each and everyone of them.
I hear the talk, “think of how many Americans may die at the hands of the people we release”. It’s a good point, but also think of the enemy casualties we can and will accrue because our Military is confident we got their backs no matter what.

We said we’d release 5 Taliban, we didn’t say they would be in good condition. I say we infect them with ebola and release them. Good old germ warfare. Let’s give the taliban ebola. Who cares if they shit out of their eye balls?

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

Thoughts? I still stand by the fact that it was right to bring him home. But now that he’s here…

I have a modicum of sympathy if you’re a draftee and a deserter. But Bergdhal is a stain on the entire Great State of Idaho. [/quote]

I agree. I want our Service Men and Women to know we got their back no matter what. That does not mean they will not face justice when they get home, but if possible, all service men should be brought home, even if to face trial.

Besides, we can implant trackers on the dicks we released, or release them and then shoot them. Something. Nevertheless, our soldiers deserve the confidence that we go their back and we will go the extra mile for each and everyone of them.
I hear the talk, “think of how many Americans may die at the hands of the people we release”. It’s a good point, but also think of the enemy casualties we can and will accrue because our Military is confident we got their backs no matter what.

We said we’d release 5 Taliban, we didn’t say they would be in good condition. I say we infect them with ebola and release them. Good old germ warfare. Let’s give the taliban ebola. Who cares if they shit out of their eye balls?[/quote]

We also released Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, considering him a low-level prisoner. How’s that working out?

I’ve been following this post, but haven’t seen this posted.

Ya’ll are wrong about Bergdahl. He’s not a deserter, he’s a whistleblower: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

From CNN: What Bergdahl’s concerns were, and whether they are relevant to the case of desertion the Army is trying to make will be a matter for military authorities to decide. “I can’t tell you if his concerns were valid, but in his mind they were,” the official said.
Both officials said Bergdahl believed he could make it to the next base by relying on wilderness skills he learned growing up in rural Idaho, even though the area was full of insurgents. It was not immediately clear how far the nearest base was during that timeframe in July 2009.

He’s being persecuted (and prosecuted) because he knows too much.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

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Try this one.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

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Try this one.[/quote]

Interesting.

Slate guys… Slate.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Slate guys… Slate.

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lol

I was wondering if you were still alive after the Brady April Fools joke…

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Slate guys… Slate.

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lol

I was wondering if you were still alive after the Brady April Fools joke… [/quote]

Ha, didn’t see it. I bounced out of work early yesterday to see my family. It was nice. Totally unplug once I get home 99% of the time.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Slate guys… Slate.

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lol

I was wondering if you were still alive after the Brady April Fools joke… [/quote]

Ha, didn’t see it. I bounced out of work early yesterday to see my family. It was nice. Totally unplug once I get home 99% of the time. [/quote]

Smart man.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

Thoughts? I still stand by the fact that it was right to bring him home. But now that he’s here…

I have a modicum of sympathy if you’re a draftee and a deserter. But Bergdhal is a stain on the entire Great State of Idaho. [/quote]

I agree. I want our Service Men and Women to know we got their back no matter what. That does not mean they will not face justice when they get home, but if possible, all service men should be brought home, even if to face trial.

Besides, we can implant trackers on the dicks we released, or release them and then shoot them. Something. Nevertheless, our soldiers deserve the confidence that we go their back and we will go the extra mile for each and everyone of them.
I hear the talk, “think of how many Americans may die at the hands of the people we release”. It’s a good point, but also think of the enemy casualties we can and will accrue because our Military is confident we got their backs no matter what.

We said we’d release 5 Taliban, we didn’t say they would be in good condition. I say we infect them with ebola and release them. Good old germ warfare. Let’s give the taliban ebola. Who cares if they shit out of their eye balls?[/quote]

We also released Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, considering him a low-level prisoner. How’s that working out?[/quote]

Apparently, well. He went from a low-level prisoner to a high value target. Talk about a success story…

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

Thoughts? I still stand by the fact that it was right to bring him home. But now that he’s here…

I have a modicum of sympathy if you’re a draftee and a deserter. But Bergdhal is a stain on the entire Great State of Idaho. [/quote]

I agree. I want our Service Men and Women to know we got their back no matter what. That does not mean they will not face justice when they get home, but if possible, all service men should be brought home, even if to face trial.

Besides, we can implant trackers on the dicks we released, or release them and then shoot them. Something. Nevertheless, our soldiers deserve the confidence that we go their back and we will go the extra mile for each and everyone of them.
I hear the talk, “think of how many Americans may die at the hands of the people we release”. It’s a good point, but also think of the enemy casualties we can and will accrue because our Military is confident we got their backs no matter what.

We said we’d release 5 Taliban, we didn’t say they would be in good condition. I say we infect them with ebola and release them. Good old germ warfare. Let’s give the taliban ebola. Who cares if they shit out of their eye balls?[/quote]

We also released Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, considering him a low-level prisoner. How’s that working out?[/quote]

Apparently, well. He went from a low-level prisoner to a high value target. Talk about a success story…[/quote]

Okay. Gotta admit, that was funny.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

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Try this one.[/quote]

Interesting. [/quote]

Not really. The idea that he would, as a whistleblower, decide to desert just to go to another base to report misconduct, is one of the funniest and most absurd fucking excuses I have ever heard. The only people that could possibly buy that story are civilians.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201

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Try this one.[/quote]

Interesting. [/quote]

Not really. The idea that he would, as a whistleblower, decide to desert just to go to another base to report misconduct, is one of the funniest and most absurd fucking excuses I have ever heard. The only people that could possibly buy that story are civilians. [/quote]

Ya, lol, I was more or less just being polite. I too think it’s pretty much horse shit…

All US Hostages in Pakistan Could Have Been Saved, Green Beret Says

http://news.yahoo.com/us-hostages-pakistan-could-saved-green-beret-says-152013771--abc-news-topstories.html

A new monkey wrench thrown into the mix. More bureaucratic bungling exposed.

This is the story of another whistle blower…and it’s not Bergdahl.