Bowe Bergdahl: Deserter, Traitor, or Just a Pawn?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Hope he goes to jail for a long time.[/quote]

For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit? Is it because once in and given murderous orders moral thinking people might have second thoughts? That should be a clue to how wrong it is.

Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

You voluntarily signed a contract to serve, tough shit, should of thought about it more before signing on the dotted line. It’s 4 years in most cases, which is nothing.

Just slaves, lol.

Bergdahl could of gotten out without deserting. It happens all the time.

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[quote]msw1959 wrote:
Are you really that fucking ignorant or are you just trolling? No one could be as stupid as you seem to be. If you had any thought processes at all, you would know the reason why the military HAS to have different standards than civilians. And I do hope you know the reason why you can say your shit is because of the military and why you can say it in English is because of the military.[/quote]

Bahahahahaha!

So much state worship.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Hope he goes to jail for a long time.[/quote]

For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit? Is it because once in and given murderous orders moral thinking people might have second thoughts? That should be a clue to how wrong it is.

Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

You voluntarily signed a contract to serve, tough shit, should of thought about it more before signing on the dotted line. It’s 4 years in most cases, which is nothing.

Just slaves, lol.

Bergdahl could of gotten out without deserting. It happens all the time. [/quote]

You expect illiterate 18 year-olds to be able to think about what they are doing before they sign a contract? You think they understand anything more than the lies and propaganda they learn from the news media, Hollywood, schools, parents, and other n’er-do-well wanna-bes?

There is a reason why recruiters go to high schools to find their victims.

I am also well aware what happens to those who try to get out “without deserting”. They are marginalized, ridiculed, punished with extra duty, and sometimes demoted or sent to the brig for “disciplinary reasons”. (I served 4 years in USMC and saw this happen to others with my own eyes).

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Hope he goes to jail for a long time.[/quote]

For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit? Is it because once in and given murderous orders moral thinking people might have second thoughts? That should be a clue to how wrong it is.

Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

You voluntarily signed a contract to serve, tough shit, should of thought about it more before signing on the dotted line. It’s 4 years in most cases, which is nothing.

Just slaves, lol.

Bergdahl could of gotten out without deserting. It happens all the time. [/quote]

You expect illiterate 18 year-olds to be able to think about what they are doing before they sign a contract? You think they understand anything more than the lies and propaganda they learn from the news media, Hollywood, schools, parents, and other n’er-do-well wanna-bes?

There is a reason why recruiters go to high schools to find their victims.

I am also well aware what happens to those who try to get out “without deserting”. They are marginalized, ridiculed, punished with extra duty, and sometimes demoted or sent to the brig for “disciplinary reasons”. (I served 4 years in USMC and saw this happen to others with my own eyes). [/quote]

I expect adults to understand the choices they make. I never once met an illiterate Marine. How would one pass the ASVAB?

Find their victims, lol…

Lies, lol…

Propaganda, lol…

Times have changed, Marines aren’t ridiculed for anything. Mothers of America and all that…

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That’s annoying as hell. Dude, you can either beconsidered an adult and responsible for making decisions and DEALING WITH THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES whether you like it pr not…or you can be considered a kid, in which case no voting, no driving, no smoking, no autonomy.

You don’t get to pick and choose.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
That’s annoying as hell. Dude, you can either beconsidered an adult and responsible for making decisions and DEALING WITH THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES whether you like it pr not…or you can be considered a kid, in which case no voting, no driving, no smoking, no autonomy.

You don’t get to pick and choose.[/quote]

No kidding. You’re mature enough to vote on who will be the next President, Congressman, etc… but you’re too illiterate and brainwashed to make a decision on voluntarily serving or not. What garbage.

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It takes a certain type of scum to turn your back on the people who you’ve been through combat with.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Hope he goes to jail for a long time.[/quote]

For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit? Is it because once in and given murderous orders moral thinking people might have second thoughts? That should be a clue to how wrong it is.

Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

You voluntarily signed a contract to serve, tough shit, should of thought about it more before signing on the dotted line. It’s 4 years in most cases, which is nothing.

Just slaves, lol.

Bergdahl could of gotten out without deserting. It happens all the time. [/quote]

You expect illiterate 18 year-olds to be able to think about what they are doing before they sign a contract? You think they understand anything more than the lies and propaganda they learn from the news media, Hollywood, schools, parents, and other n’er-do-well wanna-bes?

There is a reason why recruiters go to high schools to find their victims.

I am also well aware what happens to those who try to get out “without deserting”. They are marginalized, ridiculed, punished with extra duty, and sometimes demoted or sent to the brig for “disciplinary reasons”. (I served 4 years in USMC and saw this happen to others with my own eyes). [/quote]

I expect adults to understand the choices they make. I never once met an illiterate Marine. How would one pass the ASVAB?

Find their victims, lol…

Lies, lol…

Propaganda, lol…

Times have changed, Marines aren’t ridiculed for anything. Mothers of America and all that… [/quote]

It must be a new USMC because literacy is not what I observed in the lower ranks. Knowing how to read words and write the alphabet is not the same thing as literacy. The ASVAB is designed for the lowest common denominator to pass otherwise there would be no one in the military.

Also, I read your user name and I wonder where in the chain of command you sit/sat that you have never witnessed marines being ridiculed by their superiors and peers for acting out of the status quo? This is the SOP that every marine learns in boot camp - single out the “wink link” and make an example so that others do not copy him.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It must be a new USMC because literacy is not what I observed in the lower ranks. [/quote]

Well, that sucks. I served with some rocks, but most were rather intelligent.

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Knowing how to read words and write the alphabet is not the same thing as literacy. [/quote]

Okay…

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The ASVAB is designed for the lowest common denominator to pass otherwise there would be no one in the military. [/quote]

Lol, because intelligent people don’t join, right?

[quote]
Also, I read your user name and I wonder where in the chain of command you sit/sat that you have never witnessed marines being ridiculed by their superiors and peers for acting out of the status quo? [/quote]

I was a Sergeant when I got out. Hazing is a huge issue that was/is frowned upon. It rarely happened during my time in (2004-2008)

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This is the SOP that every marine learns in boot camp - single out the “wink link” and make an example so that others do not copy him.[/quote]

Boot camp is an entirely different animal and technically you aren’t even in the military during boot camp.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
It takes a certain type of scum to turn your back on the people who you’ve been through combat with. [/quote]

Yup

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It takes a certain type of scum to turn your back on the people who you’ve been through combat with.

Your thoughts LIFTICVSMAXIMVS?

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
That’s annoying as hell. Dude, you can either beconsidered an adult and responsible for making decisions and DEALING WITH THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES whether you like it pr not…or you can be considered a kid, in which case no voting, no driving, no smoking, no autonomy.

You don’t get to pick and choose.[/quote]

This isn’t about being a child versus an adult but about being ignorant. Usually the young are more ignorant and do not make the most informed decisions.

I agree though, at some point in life we have to choose to be responsible for ourselves. It just sucks to be held hostage to a poorly thought out decision.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
That’s annoying as hell. Dude, you can either beconsidered an adult and responsible for making decisions and DEALING WITH THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES whether you like it pr not…or you can be considered a kid, in which case no voting, no driving, no smoking, no autonomy.

You don’t get to pick and choose.[/quote]

This isn’t about being a child versus an adult but about being ignorant. Usually the young are more ignorant and do not make the most informed decisions.
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Ignorance is not specific to a demographic. There are just as many ignorant 20 year olds, 30 year olds, 40 years olds, etc…

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I agree though, at some point in life we have to choose to be responsible for ourselves. It just sucks to be held hostage to a poorly thought out decision.[/quote]

They are not held hostage. They get a pay check, benefits, room & board, retirement if they stay in, and about 100 VA benefits if they get out. Man, that’s rough…

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Questions for you men who have served…

Could they not have transferred a guy like Bergdahl out of combat duty when it’s obvious he has a moral problem with his part in the war ? I mean, if you have a guy THIS tortured over this issue, could they not have put him on toilet scrubbing duty or cleaning up the mess hall ? Why keep a guy like this in a combat zone when it’s clear he is unstable in his ability to perform and put risk to fellow soldiers ? Is it more of a politically correct issue ?

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
It takes a certain type of scum to turn your back on the people who you’ve been through combat with. [/quote]

This too!! Out of all my friends I was once complimented by a dear friend of mine when he came back from his last tour. He said, as we were drinking his welcome home, that “out of all the people I know stateside, if I could take someone on mission with me it would be you, even over some of the guys I had, because I know you wouldn’t hunker down when the guy next to you fell you’d pick up his rifle and fire back. You’d make sure you protected your brothers.”

Without a doubt that is the best compliment I have ever received. I’m a civvie, and it was really beyond words to know he valued my presence and friendship that much.

I can’t even contemplate turning my back on people who I was going to war with.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
That’s annoying as hell. Dude, you can either beconsidered an adult and responsible for making decisions and DEALING WITH THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES whether you like it pr not…or you can be considered a kid, in which case no voting, no driving, no smoking, no autonomy.

You don’t get to pick and choose.[/quote]

No kidding. You’re mature enough to vote on who will be the next President, Congressman, etc… but you’re too illiterate and brainwashed to make a decision on voluntarily serving or not. What garbage. [/quote]

This sounds like a much better argument for repealing the 26th amendment than it does for upholding contract law.

I’m not sure there are too many things more dangerous than an 18-year-old with voting rights. I’d much rather give him a beer than a ballot.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit?[/quote]

You specifically sign contracts that state you won’t leave until your service is over.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

This is asinine. Plenty of high-caliber/sensitive jobs have contracts that force certain behavior from you and make you pay in many horrible ways if you renege on the contract.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Hope he goes to jail for a long time.[/quote]

For the “crime” of trying to quit his job?!

What is so special about serving in the military that “volunteers” should not be able to quit? Is it because once in and given murderous orders moral thinking people might have second thoughts? That should be a clue to how wrong it is.

Imagine if we applied the same standards to “civilian” jobs as we do to the military. Oh, you like to volunteer your time to worthwhile causes? sorry, you signed a contract and cannot quit until we release you.

More proof that people who serve in the military are just slaves.[/quote]

Try quitting a religion sometime.

Depending on which one you quit, you can look forward to a lifetime of scornful comments, social ostracism, mistrust, and even, yes, attempts on your life.

The military shares a multitude of features in common with religions, most conspicuous being the belief in its own divine rectitude, an extremely stark “us versus them” mentality (us versus enemy, us versus civilians, us versus other branches of service, us versus other MOSs), demand for unquestioning belief in its doctrine, and obedience without hesitation which can only come from intensive psychological conditioning.

The deeper the conditioning the longer the effects. Which is why there are “prior Marines”, but not "ex-Marines.

:wink:

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Boot camp is an entirely different animal and technically you aren’t even in the military during boot camp.
[/quote]

Technically, in boot camp you are pukes! You are the lowest form of life on earth! You are not even human fucking beings! You are unorganized pieces of grabasstic amphibian shit! Do you maggots understand?

(Can I get a “Sir Yes Sir”? Hallelujah!)