If the marine was a Muslim, I bet he would already be back. He must be Christian, since Obama has a wonderful track record of freeing Chistians.
Jus sayin’
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
If the marine was a Muslim, I bet he would already be back. He must be Christian, since Obama has a wonderful track record of freeing Chistians.
Jus sayin’ [/quote]
Oh my Hell…
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
If the marine was a Muslim, I bet he would already be back. He must be Christian, since Obama has a wonderful track record of freeing Chistians.
Jus sayin’ [/quote]
Oh my Hell…
Mufasa[/quote]
Hey, just sayin’.
He would have to be Sunni tho.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Got it.
Just trying to understand the criteria for bringing our people home.
- Your buddies vouche for you.
Family background and personnel record?
Mufasa[/quote]
C’mon Mufasa, you’re smarter than that.
Very few people don’t think your boy should have been brought back.
It’s the price we paid, and the illegal way Obama did it.
Sure the deserter should have been brought back.
But if HE should, then 2 tour wounded vet should, too.
Especially given what he did, where he is, and how he’s been treated.[/quote]
First…he’s “not my boy”…
Second…there are PLENTY who thought he should not have been brought back, and
Third…there are a HELLUVA’ lot of people who seem to feel there are some clear “criteria” for bringing people home.
Bring them Home.
Let them face the Military Justice system if there has been wrongdoing.
Mufasa[/quote]
Ok.
So when is Obama going to do that, then?[/quote]
Not.never.
He will say he learned about this on the news, claim he is shocked, and say there will be an investigation by his lapdog boyfriend Eric Holder.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Got it.
Just trying to understand the criteria for bringing our people home.
- Your buddies vouche for you.
Family background and personnel record?
Mufasa[/quote]
C’mon Mufasa, you’re smarter than that.
Very few people don’t think your boy should have been brought back.
It’s the price we paid, and the illegal way Obama did it.
Sure the deserter should have been brought back.
But if HE should, then 2 tour wounded vet should, too.
Especially given what he did, where he is, and how he’s been treated.[/quote]
First…he’s “not my boy”…
Second…there are PLENTY who thought he should not have been brought back, and
Third…there are a HELLUVA’ lot of people who seem to feel there are some clear “criteria” for bringing people home.
Bring them Home.
Let them face the Military Justice system if there has been wrongdoing.
Mufasa[/quote]
Ok.
So when is Obama going to do that, then?[/quote]
Not.never.
He will say he learned about this on the news, claim he is shocked, and say there will be an investigation by his lapdog boyfriend Eric Holder.
[/quote]
What part of the State Department conducting ongoing diplomatic efforts I secure his release don’t you understand? The Marine in question violated some of the most stringent federal laws of the sovereign state of Mexico. Diplomacy is not an overnight process.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
You must be kidding.
I would do it back channels first to let them “save face”.
If that didn’t work (I would give it a SHORT period of time), I would:
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Go to TV putting pressure on them.
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Cut off trade
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Stop support for them battling their drug lords.
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Close the border.
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Make a tourism protest. Hurt their economy even more.
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If this does not work, use force.[/quote]
You must be.
Reasonable
Contradicts your earlier recommendation of allowing the Mexicans to save face.
Are you fucking kidding me? Cut off trade with a NAFTA party and one f the most important US trade partners over a service member who violated some of Mexico’s most stringent federal laws?
That would work out well for both us and them.
Close the border? How do you propose we do that?
Tourism protest? Will there be a travel ban imposed upon US citizens?
Use compellent force to secure the release of a single service member that the Mexican government had every right to detain and risk the lives of many service members in an illegal raid?
Let diplomacy play its course.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot.
The guy has diagnosed PTSD and has been tortured there like some sort of a POW.
He DID announce his (licensed in the US) weapons as soon as they stopped him.
How about, instead of your Delta Force idea, Obama gives his personal assurance that he will return for trail (or whatever else needs to be done), and has him released for now so he doesn’t at least suffer any more trauma? How about Obama leverages some behind-the-scenes power, or some of that more than 200 million dollars in aid that we give Mexico?
How about Obama uses some of that “Whatever it takes” that he found so helpful with his Taliban buddies?
Because, you know, a wrong turn isn’t quite as bad as walking over to the enemy side.[/quote]
How about if Obama says, “Give us our Marine back or I’m going to task the Marine Corps with taking him back.”
[/quote]
So you would be willing to potentially lose US service members for the return of one who violated a sovereign nation’s federal laws? Hypothetical scenario: the US has detained a Mexican Marine who entered the US with the same armaments. Would the threat of force from the Mexican government be a sage course of action, or perhaps they should engage in diplomacy?
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The Marine in question violated some of the most stringent federal laws of the sovereign state of Mexico.
[/quote]
You mean he forgot to bribe them?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The Marine in question violated some of the most stringent federal laws of the sovereign state of Mexico.
[/quote]
You mean he forgot to bribe them?[/quote]
Yup, that’s the one.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot.
The guy has diagnosed PTSD and has been tortured there like some sort of a POW.
He DID announce his (licensed in the US) weapons as soon as they stopped him.
How about, instead of your Delta Force idea, Obama gives his personal assurance that he will return for trail (or whatever else needs to be done), and has him released for now so he doesn’t at least suffer any more trauma? How about Obama leverages some behind-the-scenes power, or some of that more than 200 million dollars in aid that we give Mexico?
How about Obama uses some of that “Whatever it takes” that he found so helpful with his Taliban buddies?
Because, you know, a wrong turn isn’t quite as bad as walking over to the enemy side.[/quote]
How about if Obama says, “Give us our Marine back or I’m going to task the Marine Corps with taking him back.”
[/quote]
So you would be willing to potentially lose US service members for the return of one who violated a sovereign nation’s federal laws? Hypothetical scenario: the US has detained a Mexican Marine who entered the US with the same armaments. Would the threat of force from the Mexican government be a sage course of action, or perhaps they should engage in diplomacy?[/quote]
Perhaps the answer depends on whether he is injured or not, and whether we have tortured him or not.[/quote]
Normal diplomacy would have worked. With this admin. They would have to tho in a Sunni muzzy for King Obama to bless the deal.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot.
The guy has diagnosed PTSD and has been tortured there like some sort of a POW.
He DID announce his (licensed in the US) weapons as soon as they stopped him.
How about, instead of your Delta Force idea, Obama gives his personal assurance that he will return for trail (or whatever else needs to be done), and has him released for now so he doesn’t at least suffer any more trauma? How about Obama leverages some behind-the-scenes power, or some of that more than 200 million dollars in aid that we give Mexico?
How about Obama uses some of that “Whatever it takes” that he found so helpful with his Taliban buddies?
Because, you know, a wrong turn isn’t quite as bad as walking over to the enemy side.[/quote]
How about if Obama says, “Give us our Marine back or I’m going to task the Marine Corps with taking him back.”
[/quote]
So you would be willing to potentially lose US service members for the return of one who violated a sovereign nation’s federal laws? Hypothetical scenario: the US has detained a Mexican Marine who entered the US with the same armaments. Would the threat of force from the Mexican government be a sage course of action, or perhaps they should engage in diplomacy?[/quote]
Perhaps the answer depends on whether he is injured or not, and whether we have tortured him or not.[/quote]
Normal diplomacy would have worked. With this admin. They would have to tho in a Sunni muzzy for King Obama to bless the deal.
[/quote]
Normal diplomacy? I doubt you have any grounding in the discipline given your crude understanding of American foreign policy.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot.
The guy has diagnosed PTSD and has been tortured there like some sort of a POW.
He DID announce his (licensed in the US) weapons as soon as they stopped him.
How about, instead of your Delta Force idea, Obama gives his personal assurance that he will return for trail (or whatever else needs to be done), and has him released for now so he doesn’t at least suffer any more trauma? How about Obama leverages some behind-the-scenes power, or some of that more than 200 million dollars in aid that we give Mexico?
How about Obama uses some of that “Whatever it takes” that he found so helpful with his Taliban buddies?
Because, you know, a wrong turn isn’t quite as bad as walking over to the enemy side.[/quote]
How about if Obama says, “Give us our Marine back or I’m going to task the Marine Corps with taking him back.”
[/quote]
So you would be willing to potentially lose US service members for the return of one who violated a sovereign nation’s federal laws? Hypothetical scenario: the US has detained a Mexican Marine who entered the US with the same armaments. Would the threat of force from the Mexican government be a sage course of action, or perhaps they should engage in diplomacy?[/quote]
Perhaps the answer depends on whether he is injured or not, and whether we have tortured him or not.[/quote]
Normal diplomacy would have worked. With this admin. They would have to tho in a Sunni muzzy for King Obama to bless the deal.
[/quote]
Normal diplomacy? I doubt you have any grounding in the discipline given your crude understanding of American foreign policy.[/quote]
Hence ze uno Sunni muzzy, numbskull.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^ yep. It’s disgusting. It shows his true colors.
It’s indefensible. [/quote]
This is patently false. The State Department has been in contact with Mexican authorities since the arrest of Sgt.Tahmooressi last month. Diplomacy is not an overnight endeavor, especially so when there are grounds for legitimate grievances. To be fair, the Marine in question knowingly violated the laws of a sovereign state when he entered Mexico with a .45 caliber handgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, and a semi-automatic carbine with a combat infantryman’s load of ammunition. Does the fact that he’s a US service member, which he did not announce to the arresting authorities, somehow place him above the laws of the sovereign territory he willfully entered?
What would you do if you were a policy maker? Order Delta Force to assault the prison and rescue the geographically challenged (if we are to believe his initial story of accidentally crossing the Mexican border, a country he had traveled to at least four times previously) Marine in the manner of Operation Acid Gambit?
[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot.
The guy has diagnosed PTSD and has been tortured there like some sort of a POW.
He DID announce his (licensed in the US) weapons as soon as they stopped him.
How about, instead of your Delta Force idea, Obama gives his personal assurance that he will return for trail (or whatever else needs to be done), and has him released for now so he doesn’t at least suffer any more trauma? How about Obama leverages some behind-the-scenes power, or some of that more than 200 million dollars in aid that we give Mexico?
How about Obama uses some of that “Whatever it takes” that he found so helpful with his Taliban buddies?
Because, you know, a wrong turn isn’t quite as bad as walking over to the enemy side.[/quote]
How about if Obama says, “Give us our Marine back or I’m going to task the Marine Corps with taking him back.”
[/quote]
So you would be willing to potentially lose US service members for the return of one who violated a sovereign nation’s federal laws? Hypothetical scenario: the US has detained a Mexican Marine who entered the US with the same armaments. Would the threat of force from the Mexican government be a sage course of action, or perhaps they should engage in diplomacy?[/quote]
Perhaps the answer depends on whether he is injured or not, and whether we have tortured him or not.[/quote]
Normal diplomacy would have worked. With this admin. They would have to tho in a Sunni muzzy for King Obama to bless the deal.
[/quote]
Normal diplomacy? I doubt you have any grounding in the discipline given your crude understanding of American foreign policy.[/quote]
Hence ze uno Sunni muzzy, numbskull.
[/quote]
I don’t speak any Romance languages. They’re too soft, along with your critical thinking skills. I suppose we should glass Southwest Asia in your reflexive opinion.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The Marine in question violated some of the most stringent federal laws of the sovereign state of Mexico.
[/quote]
You mean he forgot to bribe them?[/quote]
The same laws we have that the Mexican government repeatedly urge their own citizens to ignore. And then have the gumption to lecture us when we send their criminals back.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The Marine in question violated some of the most stringent federal laws of the sovereign state of Mexico.
[/quote]
You mean he forgot to bribe them?[/quote]
The same laws we have that the Mexican government repeatedly urge their own citizens to ignore. And then have the gumption to lecture us when we send their criminals back.
[/quote]
The transnational smuggling of small arms into a stet struggling with internal security? Nein nein. I don’t disagree with the sentiments of those who wish for the Marine’s return. It must be approached delicately, however.