BOLT 9.72 World Record!

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
sillybubba wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
FWIW, I think he’s clean.

At 6’5 he has a stride length that is going to be hard to beat.

This guy is going to be awesome. And I agree, what a name eh?

When are the Jamaican olypmic trials??

June 27-29.

Whats America’s answer to this freak?[/quote]

Actually, that would be the world champ in the 100 and 200, Tyson Gay (no jokes please:). Tyson has run 9.85 and has had a very slightly wind-aided 9.76. Although, Bolt beat him in this recent race, Tyson isn’t in peak form yet. He plans on running a faster time at the trials later this month and hopefully peaking in Beijing. It should be a titanic battle between Gay, Powell, and Bolt.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
sillybubba wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
FWIW, I think he’s clean.

At 6’5 he has a stride length that is going to be hard to beat.

This guy is going to be awesome. And I agree, what a name eh?

When are the Jamaican olypmic trials??

June 27-29.

Whats America’s answer to this freak?

Chuck Norris[/quote]

I meant among mortals.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
sillybubba wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
FWIW, I think he’s clean.

At 6’5 he has a stride length that is going to be hard to beat.

This guy is going to be awesome. And I agree, what a name eh?

When are the Jamaican olypmic trials??

June 27-29.

Whats America’s answer to this freak?

Chuck Norris

I meant among mortals.[/quote]

I don’t then. Maybe put a guy from prison on a life sentence on the track, and tell him that if he can beat the guy then he gets freedom.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
sillybubba wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
FWIW, I think he’s clean.

At 6’5 he has a stride length that is going to be hard to beat.

This guy is going to be awesome. And I agree, what a name eh?

When are the Jamaican olypmic trials??

June 27-29.

Whats America’s answer to this freak?

Chuck Norris

michael Vick?

I meant among mortals.

I don’t then. Maybe put a guy from prison on a life sentence on the track, and tell him that if he can beat the guy then he gets freedom.[/quote]

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Everytime I watch the Olympics I wonder… when will somebody stop breaking a record? Because records are always being broken, year after year, since the dawn of civilization, or the first Olympic games in Greece, and there has to be a point where the records just can’t be broken anymore, right?

. Almost a hundred years ago the world record was 10.6 seconds, and 40 years ago it was a 9.9. 10 years ago it was 9.79, and then 9.77, 9.74, and finally 9.72.

This means that if somebody runs a 2.1, the next person will have to outdo it and run a 2.0, and 1.9, and so on. When will it stop? It’s only a matter of time before it reaches 0. What happens then, when a singularity is reached?

They’re gonna have to change the race, change the way we measure time, or change the space by hosting the Olympics at other planets or something.

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[quote]digitalairair wrote:
Everytime I watch the Olympics I wonder… when will somebody stop breaking a record? Because records are always being broken, year after year, since the dawn of civilization, or the first Olympic games in Greece, and there has to be a point where the records just can’t be broken anymore, right?

. Almost a hundred years ago the world record was 10.6 seconds, and 40 years ago it was a 9.9. 10 years ago it was 9.79, and then 9.77, 9.74, and finally 9.72.

This means that if somebody runs a 2.1, the next person will have to outdo it and run a 2.0, and 1.9, and so on. When will it stop? It’s only a matter of time before it reaches 0. What happens then, when a singularity is reached?

They’re gonna have to change the race, change the way we measure time, or change the space by hosting the Olympics at other planets or something. [/quote]

I think that the human physical development is more of an S-curve. It seems to approach singularity, then the growth slows down (in this case the rate at which records are broken) and eventually, it will stop.

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Even if you assume a linear curve, the record drops by about a tenth of a second every ten years and that rate has been decreasing a little bit. So you have to assume that a human being won’t break 9 seconds before 2100. I think it’ll be a long time before a singularity is reached.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Even if you assume a linear curve, the record drops by about a tenth of a second every ten years and that rate has been decreasing a little bit. So you have to assume that a human being won’t break 9 seconds before 2100. I think it’ll be a long time before a singularity is reached.[/quote]

I’m more worried about how accurate the stop watches are.I’m pretty sure all of the stopwatches in 100 years didn’t have the same speed.

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If we run out of GH and AAS, I can assure you the amount of records being broken will slow down.

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If you take the best 10m splits of all time and add them together, the fastest 100m sprint is 9.54 seconds. Most of what I have read suggests that the limit is somewhere around 9.4 seconds.

It is worth noting that the rate at which records improve has slowed down greatly in the last 20 years. It is also worth noting that it took over 10 years for Ben Johnson’s chemically assisted 9.79 to be matched, and 17 years before Powell topped it. Even today, there are only three men (Powell, Bolt, Maurice Greene) that have broke 9.8 without PED’s.

Now for my rant. Quit accusing all of the top 100m guys of juicing. It is sad that a handful have ruined it for everyone else. There is no reason to believe that with todays knowledge of physiology and biomechanics, not to mention greater interest in the sport, that these guys can’t run these times without drugs. Accusing them all of juicing is every bit as, if not more, arrogant as believing drugs aren’t involved at all.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
If you take the best 10m splits of all time and add them together, the fastest 100m sprint is 9.54 seconds. Most of what I have read suggests that the limit is somewhere around 9.4 seconds.

It is worth noting that the rate at which records improve has slowed down greatly in the last 20 years. It is also worth noting that it took over 10 years for Ben Johnson’s chemically assisted 9.79 to be matched, and 17 years before Powell topped it. Even today, there are only three men (Powell, Bolt, Maurice Greene) that have broke 9.8 without PED’s.

Now for my rant. Quit accusing all of the top 100m guys of juicing. It is sad that a handful have ruined it for everyone else. There is no reason to believe that with todays knowledge of physiology and biomechanics, not to mention greater interest in the sport, that these guys can’t run these times without drugs. Accusing them all of juicing is every bit as, if not more, arrogant as believing drugs aren’t involved at all.[/quote]

Interesting. The question, though, is whether you would be surprised if it turned out that Powell, Bolt, and/or Greene were using? Me either, and I think that’s the point some of the others are making.

I note, BTW, that Powell and Bolt are both Jamaican. I believe all the recent druggies have been American. If true, we can glean either one of two conclusions from the data: First, Americans are, on the whole, inherently inferior at track and need drugs to even compete with foreigners.

Second, all the elite track stars today are using, but other countries simply look the other way when it comes to drug usage and testing. I’m pretty sure this is accepted as true for weightlifting; why might it not be true for track as well?

Now I’m not saying I’m convinced they all use–I would love to believe they don’t–but it all smells bad.

Edit: I should add also that I really don’t care if they are using or not. It does not diminish the fact that they are superior athletes who are doing amazing things. I don’t subscribe to the theory that you can take an average or even above average sprinter and make him elite by giving him PEDs.

Again, my preference is that Gay, Powell, and Bolt are clean, but I wouldn’t care too much if they were all using (as I suspect).

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
sillybubba wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
Damici wrote:
What’s the general consensus regarding top sprinters nowadays? Are they almost certainly juicing?

Probably, but oh well.

It’s unfortunate that all sprinters get vilified for what has happened over the past 20 years. Bolt may appeared to have come out of nowhere, but he has been a tremendous 200 meter runner for some time now. At 17, he ran 19.93 for a world junior record in the 200 meters so I would go with good genetics and natural ability before drugs come to mind.

He’s just 21 years of age and the only reason he is running the 100 meters this year is at his coach’s behest.

They are trying to improve his 200 meter speed and in the process found out he was an elite 100 meter man. The Jamaican Olympic trials vs. Asafa Powell should be off the chain. Beijing, with a peaking Tyson Gay in the mix will be ridiculous.

I never accused him of taking steroids. I don’t think any coach would be dumb enough to let that happen to someone that young.

But, the whole steroid thing in sports is getting pretty annoying to hear about over and over again. I know it’s not just me thinking that.[/quote]

This drug shit makes me so mad. It’s just like when Marion Jones got busted, I remember thinking (and telling people) “We could give all you pussies all the drugs in the world and you wouldn’t win medal one.”

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Even today, there are only three men (Powell, Bolt, Maurice Greene) that have broke 9.8 without PED’s.
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I think it would be more accurate to say that only 3 men have broken 9.8 and not tested positive for PED’s.

Personally I believe that Powell and Bolt are both clean.

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[quote]conorh wrote:

This drug shit makes me so mad. It’s just like when Marion Jones got busted, I remember thinking (and telling people) “We could give all you pussies all the drugs in the world and you wouldn’t win medal one.”
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Hell, they probably couldn’t beat the worst college sprinters. I talked to people about steroids, and every time, they always say it’s so bad. When I ask them why, they say it’s cheating. But none of them have a problem with cheating anywhere else. Go figure.

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[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
tedro wrote:
Even today, there are only three men (Powell, Bolt, Maurice Greene) that have broke 9.8 without PED’s.

I think it would be more accurate to say that only 3 men have broken 9.8 and not tested positive for PED’s.

Personally I believe that Powell and Bolt are both clean.
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I’m really suprised more athletes like bolt have not got into sprinting. He is not as explosive as powell, but he is LONG very long. His stride is ridiculous he has a much better top speed, if we get more tall athletes like him most of those sprinting records held by athletes under 6ft will be broken.

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[quote]conorh wrote:
This drug shit makes me so mad. It’s just like when Marion Jones got busted, I remember thinking (and telling people) “We could give all you pussies all the drugs in the world and you wouldn’t win medal one.”

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I totally agree. Right now, using steroids is cheating. I’m not sure I agree with those rules totally but that is not the argument. For right now it is cheating so you should be punished, have to give back the medal, whatever. You got caught cheating, you pay the price.

However, I hate this “witchunt” mentality like they are a terrible person and they could have accomplished nothing without the steroids. These athletes devote almost every minute of their lives for years to training for one particular goal. They put work and dedication into this training that the average American can’t even possibly comprehend. If you did all this and you were just a little bit shy of your goal and you needed something for that last 1%, do you think you might start to consider it?

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I get so tired of the steroid argument. I don’t care of any of those guys are using. Rainjack posted this George Carlin quote in the Carlin thread, and I thought I’d repost it here.

[i]It annoys me when people complain about athletes taking steroids to improve athletic performance. It’s a phony argument, because over the years every single piece of sports equipment used by athletes has been improved many times over. Golf balls and clubs; tennis balls, racquets; baseball gloves and bats; football pads and helmets and so on through every sport. Each time technology has found a way to improve equipment it has done so. So why shouldn’t a person treat his body the same way? In the context of sports, the body is nothing more than one more piece of equipment, anyway. So why not improve it with new technology? Athletes use weights, why shouldn’t they use chemicals?

Consider the Greek Phidippides, a professional runner who, in 490 B.C., ran from Athens to Sparta and back (280 miles) to ask the Spartans for help against the Persians in an upcoming battle that threatened Athens. Don’t you think his generals would have been happy to give him amphetamines if they had been available? And a nice pair of New Balance high-performance running shoes while they were at it? Grow up, purists. The body is not a sacred vessel, it’s a tool.[/i]

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[quote]AngryVader wrote:
I get so tired of the steroid argument. I don’t care of any of those guys are using. Rainjack posted this George Carlin quote in the Carlin thread, and I thought I’d repost it here.

It annoys me when people complain about athletes taking steroids to improve athletic performance. It’s a phony argument, because over the years every single piece of sports equipment used by athletes has been improved many times over. Golf balls and clubs; tennis balls, racquets; baseball gloves and bats; football pads and helmets and so on through every sport. Each time technology has found a way to improve equipment it has done so. So why shouldn’t a person treat his body the same way?
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The difference is that if the equipment is permitted under the rules, everyone is able to use it, so no athlete is at a disadvantage.

A more valid comparison would be if someone were using banned performance enhancing sports equipment (ie those athletes who choose to follow the rules and don’t use that equipment are left at a disadvantage).

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That’s fuckin awesome. He’s suddenly my new sports hero (sorry GSP)

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Jamaica National Trials starts today!!! I will be there, but I don’t expect any fireworks in the 100m men, these guys are just gonna get out of the blocks and jog to the finish.