Agreed… Get T3/T4 as well. I keep things simple and really look mostly at T3. The guys I know usually get it around 5 or higher.
Woah…this is a first. I don’t think I’ve seen values in this board that high even from the guys on thyroid replacement
@enackers keeps his at 5
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Mine is like 3.1 or 3.2 last time. I just redid labs. Will see. But I have no intention to f with my thyroid with at least a mid range free t3.
I keep an eye on mine cause my dad is hypo.
I actually took a low dose armour and it lowered my tsh below 2 but felt the same. So I stopped taking It
Mine has hashimotos. I have high RT3 and will be supplementing T3 to see how it effects me. Thyroid is such a different animal.
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I think you near nyc if u have a good Endocrinologist who knows thyroid lmk 4 when I need one.
Just moved to New Orleans. I had a list of recommend thyroid docs that I’ll have to find and send your way. There are two really good ones that you won’t have an issue getting Armour or Natural from if needed.
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Tag me when u post or email
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He didn’t try when mine was at 73, so I dunno. Maybe he’s coming around?
My symptoms didn’t resolve until I got to 4.5+ out of a range that stopped at 5. But others stop at 6.
Charlie thyroid is different. You want it in the 90th percentile of however you say it. It’s not dangerous contrary to whatever other people say. I have zero issues and I just feel normal. You prob remember I had hell of a time until I started thyroid as well.
They don’t even use that much weight, honestly. Hypertrophy is a very different concern than strength. I guess it depends on your definition of “massive” though. I’ve lifted with a guy with an NPC card (if I remember correctly). Big dude, looked like any one of the guys you would see in a magazine. The main difference in our squat session was that he did sets of 10, and I did 5’s. 10 reps was of no value for me and what I was doing, his concern was big wheels and he had them. Your rep ranges can effect changes in muscle fibre types, but you are also born with certain tendencies in that regard. Some guys are all fast twitch, some are all slow twitch. You have to get pretty scientific with it if you are serious and pursuing something.
If someone has a link to that Dorian Yates thing I would appreciate it, it sounds interesting.
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These days I am training more Meadows style for hypertrophy. The strength has come too but I assume Id be stronger if I was doing more of a 5/3/1 style focusing on pure strength. Value in both. Im not competing in either direction so its more about functionality/aesthetics and balancing that out.
Here you go @hardartery:
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Same here. I alternate about every 3 months or so from hypertrophy training (varying from 8-10, 10-12, and sometimes 15-20 reps ranges with heavy focus on negatives at the end of the set) to heavier strength style training (keeping everything 6 reps or under).
I think it keeps a good balance and it also keeps me from getting burned out mentally.
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I maybe interviewing John Meadows later this month for our YouTube channel.
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Thats very cool. He geeks out pretty well with a lot of stuff.
Consult with Dr. Saya went extremely well this morning. He stated that my numbers looked great, and based on my feedback, we are going to bump up the T dose to 182mg / week doing daily injections. He is setting the script for 210mg / week to make sure that there is enough to account for the “waste” on daily injections.
So my prescription is now .15mL daily, but I’ll actually do .13mL daily. With the actual waste (which I actually inject because I pull in some air to make sure there is nothing left after the injection) I will probably be getting more around that .15mL (210mg / week).
I also asked his opinion about the research that has been going on lately with the Nichols / Serrano / Rouzier group. I was quite impressed with his thoughts on the matter. He told me that he likes to maintain a somewhat nuetral “middle of the road” stance on the whole E2 levels and higher Free T levels argument. The reason being, according to him, is that although we all agree that there is a floor, or bottom line level that we never want to go below, we have yet to SAFELY demonstrate that there is a ceiling, or upper limit, that can be ran for the long term without adverse effects. He also added that even though higher levels of Testoterone can happen naturally, especially in days past, that there are no documented cases of Estrogen being at the higher end of the spectrum naturally. This doesn’t mean that it HASN’T happened, but that it has not been studied and documented. Because of this, he wants to try to maintain a level individually specific to each patient, where symptoms are non existant (if possible) and the patient feels as good as possible…
This is all paraphrasing of course as I did not record the conversion for direct quote purposes. All in all…I respect that position and whole heatedly agree with it!
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I’ve always wondered regarding the syringe wasting argument. Don’t syringe manufacturers factor that into the lines on the syringe? I would have to think if you fill it to 0.2cc then you’re actually getting 0.2cc. Now, there might be a tiny bit left that’s wasted, but it would make more sense that that’s above and beyond the 0.2cc that you wanted.
It seems like adding an air bubble would push out this extra and give you more than you intended.
Honestly as long as you’re consistent about it it’s probably not a big deal. I just can’t see how a syringe manufacturer wouldn’t factor in the dead space when setting up the dosage lines on their product. If they didn’t that would literally make every injection technically the wrong amount
Or maybe I’m misunderstanding the whole argument.
You actually do inject more if you pull in air to account for the dead space, which the markers already do when using two piece syringe designs. Not so with insulin syringes just to be clear. I just don’t like the idea of wasting Testoterone. I also don’t like using insulin syringes because I don’t want to inject with the same needle that I used to draw with.
Now TECHNICALLY, I could do both by using water and measuring the dead space, and reducing my dose by that amount and use the air method, and my dose would be 100% accurate, but it’s really moot. I pull the marker to my dose, and then inject all of it (including the factored in dead space) using an air bubble to force it out, and yes…my dose is a little higher than intended, but if I am consistent with that method then the numbers being reflected in the lab are still accurately reflecting my dose. The only discrepancy is that when I say that I’m inject .13mL, it’s actually close to .15mL, but it’s linear…so when I was injecting .11mL, it was actually .13mL so the labs are still accurate to my dose…
For prescription purposes, I’m still using the same amount of Testoterone every week, whether I throw the dead space in the garbage, or use air to inject it and make use of it.
Hope this makes sense?
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Cant you just get some zero dead space syringes? Im not wasting anything. I draw with 18-22g and inject with 29-30g. No wasted T. Or are you referring to the minute amount inside the actual needle and the area below the plunger? I mean that would be like .001ml Id think.