They’re injecting 200mg test cyp and 1000iu hcg per week.
No AI (yet), probably know more after blood tests in a few weeks.
Haven’t noticed any real high estrogen sides, but maybe there are some.
Also interested on sub-Q injections. Can you inject with a 25 gauge needle sub Q?
#25 will work, but may cause blood bruises.
Doc will not let you self-inject?
Not until 6 weeks are up.
I use 26g for subQ, no problem at all. Painless and takes a minute. Occasionally I have some bumps, but nothing worrying.
Starting to feel some pain in the chest, possibly an estrogen side effect, May have to take an AI, but I don’t see the guy for another 3 weeks. Hmmm…
Not sure if it’s aromasin or arimidex I will get. Probably arimidex as it’s cheaper. 200mg of test and hcg probably need 1mg of arimidex a week? I know I don’t want to lower estrogen too much. Have to wait for bloods to come back when I get them taken again.
Does lowering estrogen (assuming mine is too high) aid in workouts? Is it somehow stifling the effects of the testosterone?
I’ll be very surprised if your E2 is optimal considering your protocol. I would wait until the labs come back before adding an AI. The level of E2 will help dosing the AI.
Yes, high estrogens will have a negative effect on the ability to add muscle and lose fat. Also will have a negative effect on strength, ability to recover from workouts and motivation to workout.
“Yes, high estrogens will have a negative effect
on the ability to add muscle and lose fat. Also will have a negative
effect on strength, ability to recover from workouts and motivation to
workout .”
The effects of E2 on the male brain can be very pronounced:
I’m still having good workouts. I think my estrogen is probably a little high though. Unfortunately, I have to wait a few weeks to get my blood tested and to see the doctor. I may try to see him before hand to see if I can get some arimidex!
just checked my doctor’s reports. I think they’re injecting 7500 iu of HCG per week, 3/4 of a ml of “Glukor”. That seems like a lot. That and 200mg test should raise things quite a bit.
I thought 500iu twice a week was more of a normal level. It’s a painful injection for some reason.
Can’t wait to self inject and get some anti-estrogens.
Think the hcg is raising estrogen too. Sore nips after the shot. I get the test shot at the same time so I guess it could be the test too. Got blood tests today so hopefully some anti estrogen soon.
7500 iu hcg a week.
Didn’t you say you were getting 1000 iu of hcg? 7500 is super high.
That’s insane. You need to find another doctor.
I guess I thought he said 1000 iu, but from what I read it’s .75 ml and it’s 10000iu / ml.
Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t think so.
I’ll ask him this week.
If I want to lower it, I’ll just tell him. There is no place else in town that is willing to let people self inject test, hcg, etc. I’m lucky I found this guy.
It could be 750 iu. It’s .75 ml. Not sure how many ius per ml.
brian, I am on the same protocol as you with a 200mg Rx of Test Cyp per week. I chose to back down to .5ml/100mg every 5 days. So i get 200mg per every 10 days. That 5 day interval is a nice sweet spot for me. The guys on this board were all correct in that, those doses will eventually cause some high E2 side affects. It took about 5 months for mine to start showing up. Mainly mine was libido and sex drive, some water retention too. My last blood work two weeks ago E2 came in at 42. I started Anastrazole at .25mg every 3 days. Gonna ride that until next blood work and evaluate… You questioned earlier about getting muscle building results, workouts, training, etc, from that dosage? If there is any doubts go to some of my other post in the rate my physique section (49 year old, 6 month journey) “i thinks thats the right post” and you will see the fantastic results I have had.
10,000iu hCG would typically be in 10ml BA water [0,9% benzyl alcohol].
Then 10iu on an insulin syringe [0.1 ml] would be 100iu hCG.
OK! New tests!
Testosterone, Serum 704 348-1197
Estradiol, Sensitive 67.5 H 8.0-35.0 pg/mL
Not sure what to make of this. The test is lower than I thought, although it had been 7 days since last injection…the estrogen, wow, what is the half life of estrogen, does it move 1 for 1 with test?
Anyway, looks like some arimidex is in my future and then I’ll really be rocking!
Workouts have been much better, when I cut the estrogen down, they’ll be even better.
Holy crap! That E2 scares me to death.
Why? I’ve heard of it being a lot higher than that in other people.
Most guys on TRT shoot for 22. I lose all the benefits of T if my E2 is in the high 30’s. Your’s is insanely high. I would have swelling, no energy, no libido, irritability, etc.