When you aspirate and no blood comes, but then when you withdraw the needle blood squirts like a fountain, does it mean your injection is fine, but you simply hit a vein on the way in?
It happened to me today, and I remember it happening a couple of times before. I’m not worried or squeamish about blood. Even though it came out in a gush it stopped instantly as soon as I put pressure on it. I’m just curious if I wasted gear, and if this ever happened to you guys?
Yes - this happened to me twice my last cycle, once in each quad. It’s exactly what you described.
Have you tried the ventro glute site? Much less dense with veins and nerves. I tried it for the first time yesterday. No soreness at all, like I associate with pinning in the quads.
I doubt you lost much gear, if any. You would’ve seen it, anyway, as the oil separates from the blood.
If you asparated and no blood came back then you the injection went fine. You were shooting into something solid (muscle). As mentioned before you must have hit a vein going in and that lead to the bleeding. I have done this a number of times and the next day the site is no different than a flawless injection.
That’s what I thought. It was painless and like I said, the bleeding stopped as soon as I put pressure. Still a lot of blood. Almost fun in a sick kind of way…
It was a glute shot.
BTW what would happen if someone did shoot in a vein? Besides wasting gear is there any consequence at all?
[quote]SwD wrote:
BTW what would happen if someone did shoot in a vein? Besides wasting gear is there any consequence at all?
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An oil embolism. Unlikely but possible. Oil could get lodged in the heart and be potentially fatal.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Can we just clear something up here guys…
Veins are not under pressure, arteries/arterioles are.
So, if blood comes squirting or gushing out, then it’s not a vein you hit, but a pressure vessel, i.e arteriole.
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I disagree.
Veins are under pressure, just not as much pressure as arteries.
Anyways, arteries are contained in the inner aspects of your limbs not the outer where the injection sights are located.
what happened is that you nicked a vessel when you initially inserted the needle - closer to the surface. The needle was then sunk deeper down and that is were aspiration occured.
During the time it took to inject you bleed into the area where the needle was, which created pressure. Additionally more pressure comes from the pocket of oil you injected.
When you pull the needle out the pressue is able to be releaved via the needle hole, and you get a nice volcano of blood and oil.
moral of the story: always have a gauze pad ready to apply pressure to the site as soon as you remove the needle.
z-tracking will help to - that’s pulling the skin to the side prior to injecting, so that when you pull the needle out following, the hole in the skin is located somewhere else from the hole in the muscle, thus creating more of a natural seal.
To further help, alot of times say if I am injecting in a quad, I will bed the leg as soon as I pull then needle out, or if it is a delt I will raise me are following injection - that moves them muscle and helps to seal the injection in and minimize bleeding as well.
Let’s not forget the skeletomuscular pump… the first thing I do if I see blood dribbing out is stand up to get my gauze, which can produce a good ol’ squirter.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Yes of course veins are under some pressure, or you’d end up with circulatory collapse, but I believe it is somewhere in the region of 4-16mmHg, as opposed to the 80-120mmHg average in the arteries…
OK, whilst I might tentatively agree with your ‘pressure release’ hypothesis, you’ll have to tell me how oxygenated blood reaches the outer area of muscles, if not via arterioles, before I am fully convinced.
Also, if the pressure release hypothesis is true, surely the blood that came out would be mingled with oil, therefore making it smell of steroid. Which hasn’t been the case in the single ‘squirter’ event that I have experienced.
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The oil may or may not be involved. It depends on how quickly you remove the needle,(remove it fast and you can seal the oil deeper in the muscle, remove it too slow and you certainly will have oil mixed with blood) however bleeding enough to cause a ‘squirter’ as you call it is caused by breaching a substatial blood vessel, like a vein.
These vessels are not in the muscle - they lie in the tissue just above.
Nice explanations by all.
Z-tracking must be learned art cause if I pull skin to the side my guess is I pull too much muscle underneath with it as when I aspirate or release the skin it feels unconfortable, like the muscle has moved… while the needle hasnt.
I find this more with quad shots. When I go to aspirate I feel like the muscle has moved and it creates unnecessary pain.
[quote]SwD wrote:
Nice explanations by all.
Z-tracking must be learned art cause if I pull skin to the side my guess is I pull too much muscle underneath with it as when I aspirate or release the skin it feels unconfortable, like the muscle has moved… while the needle hasnt.
I find this more with quad shots. When I go to aspirate I feel like the muscle has moved and it creates unnecessary pain.[/quote]
You have to hold the skin for the entire shot, then release it when you pull out the needle.