Ferritin and Iron are correlated, the explanation above is correct.
If you are worried that either level is low, just include spinach in your diet…cpl times
per week is all that is needed.
Since they are correlated, then what if I have high rbc and hemaglobin but my ferritin came back low. What does that mean, maybe a falty ferritin test? As long as hemaglobin is high im not deficient in iron?
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[quote]PKNY wrote:
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[/quote]
Are there other safe ways to lower high hct besides just donating blood that you’re aware of?
[quote]PKNY wrote:
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[/quote]
Symptoms nothing really other than fatigue sometimes but I started supping b12 and that has seemed to help, my b12 was at 549 before…
another would be possibly poor blood flow? My fingers and feet started getting tingly BUT that was directly after I did an 8 thousand mile tour of the USA on my r6. if you don’t know what that is, its a sports bike that is definitely not meant fire touring haha and the vibration it puts out is a lot, so i’m thinking that might be due to my trip and not iron? Who knows
The b12 can’t hurt, but if you have a high iron reading you probably don’t need it.
I hear you on the fatigue thing. I am 44, and when I run my TRT dose at 25mg T-prop eod along with 12.5
aromasin with the injection I feel like a million bucks. Great and even energy, great mood and very good
gains in the gym, libido sky high problem is…I always feel like I could do more with more test. Blast after blast, I find
fatigue settles in even with e2 in range. I have read many threads and boards where guys get lethargic on
larger doses of test. Some guys supplement T3 to combat the fatigue, and I have tried it, but if anything,
it just made me more tired.
Moral of the story, sometimes Less is More.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
The b12 can’t hurt, but if you have a high iron reading you probably don’t need it.
I hear you on the fatigue thing. I am 44, and when I run my TRT dose at 25mg T-prop eod along with 12.5
aromasin with the injection I feel like a million bucks. Great and even energy, great mood and very good
gains in the gym, libido sky high problem is…I always feel like I could do more with more test. Blast after blast, I find
fatigue settles in even with e2 in range. I have read many threads and boards where guys get lethargic on
larger doses of test. Some guys supplement T3 to combat the fatigue, and I have tried it, but if anything,
it just made me more tired.
Moral of the story, sometimes Less is More.[/quote]
Yeah I hear you on that one, some days im full of energy and some not so much but its not like i’m dragging ass or anything. I do trend to grind my teeth sometimes at night and have been sleeping on some shitty couch pull out bed haha.
As far as my t dose, i’m only on 100 Mg a week split into 2 injections tues and sat morning. That puts me at 1130, just above the high range.
I don’t take an ai because my last estradiol test I was at 25 which really suprised me.
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]PKNY wrote:
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[/quote]
Are there other safe ways to lower high hct besides just donating blood that you’re aware of?[/quote]
Ingestion of grapefruit lowers elevated hematocrits in human subjects - PubMed theres probably more detailed studies out there, we should get a group of people to test this out
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Since they are correlated, then what if I have high rbc and hemaglobin but my ferritin came back low. What does that mean, maybe a falty ferritin test? As long as hemaglobin is high im not deficient in iron?[/quote]
It takes awhile for iron to be replenished in the body. Your iron could be on the rise.
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]PKNY wrote:
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[/quote]
Are there other safe ways to lower high hct besides just donating blood that you’re aware of?[/quote]
Ingestion of grapefruit lowers elevated hematocrits in human subjects - PubMed theres probably more detailed studies out there, we should get a group of people to test this out[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea. I love grapefruit too. And don’t have to feel guilty eating it…lowest fruit on the glycemic index.
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]PKNY wrote:
It could have been a faulty test, but regardless, if your HCT is high you want to take steps to lower it.
You can always supplement iron, but high HCT can lead to stroke and all kinds of other complications.
Are you suffering from some symptoms of low iron / ferritin ?
[/quote]
Are there other safe ways to lower high hct besides just donating blood that you’re aware of?[/quote]
Ingestion of grapefruit lowers elevated hematocrits in human subjects - PubMed theres probably more detailed studies out there, we should get a group of people to test this out[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea. I love grapefruit too. And don’t have to feel guilty eating it…lowest fruit on the glycemic index.[/quote]
Just make sure its ruby red grapefruit. Grapefruit has a lot of reactions with certain meds as well so anyone who wants to try this should look into that first.
Another probably dumb question but here goes
Does hematocrit level directly depend on how much testosterone is being used? As in, the higher my test dose, the quicker my hematocrit will rise? Or does exogenous test just slowly but surely raise hematocrit in most individuals no matter the dose?
Interesting study with the grapefruit. Couldn’t hurt as a maintenance between blood donations.
Test stimulates your bone marrow, which in turn creates more red blood cells…
More test, more stimulation more red blood cells=higher HCT.
I keep all my blood panels and can correlate HCT levels
with higher test doses throughout the years.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Interesting study with the grapefruit. Couldn’t hurt as a maintenance between blood donations.
Test stimulates your bone marrow, which in turn creates more red blood cells…
More test, more stimulation more red blood cells=higher HCT.
I keep all my blood panels and can correlate HCT levels
with higher test doses throughout the years. [/quote]
ok cool that’s what I figured but just wanted to make sure, ill be trying the grapefruit once I get on ablast if my ferritin comes back ok
I didn’t think about the grapefruit and meds
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
I didn’t think about the grapefruit and meds[/quote]
If using grapefruit juice is still something that interests you, here’s how grapefruit juice works:
Grapefruit juice has a compound that is metabolized by CYP3A4 of the cyt P450 superfamily in the liver. So it can competitively inhibit metabolism of the drugs by the liver, leading to increased drug concentration in the blood. The magnitude by which it increases isn’t a lot, but it can be variable. Any drug that uses the came cytochrome for a large extent of its metabolism will have an interaction with grapefruit juice. I generally just look online for interactions by checking how a drug is metabolized, but if you’re unsure, it’s definitely safest to check with your pharmacist. Interactions can also be due to overlapping physiological or subjective effects.
Something additional to consider is the therapeutic index (i.e. the LD50/threshold dose ratio, so basically a measure of how easy it is to OD) of any prescription drugs you’re on. If you’re on a drug with a low therapeutic index (or one that you are particularly sensitive to side effects on), you want to avoid anything that could push the balance unfavourably. Fortunately, most drugs have a fairly high therapeutic index (otherwise they wouldn’t get approved in the first place), so the effects of grapefruit juice are largely overstated in most cases.
If you’re on several prescription drugs, the matter gets more complicated when considering interactions. It might be advisable to check with a pharmacist in those circumstances.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
I didn’t think about the grapefruit and meds[/quote]
If using grapefruit juice is still something that interests you, here’s how grapefruit juice works:
Grapefruit juice has a compound that is metabolized by CYP3A4 of the cyt P450 superfamily in the liver. So it can competitively inhibit metabolism of the drugs by the liver, leading to increased drug concentration in the blood. The magnitude by which it increases isn’t a lot, but it can be variable. Any drug that uses the came cytochrome for a large extent of its metabolism will have an interaction with grapefruit juice. I generally just look online for interactions by checking how a drug is metabolized, but if you’re unsure, it’s definitely safest to check with your pharmacist. Interactions can also be due to overlapping physiological or subjective effects.
Something additional to consider is the therapeutic index (i.e. the LD50/threshold dose ratio, so basically a measure of how easy it is to OD) of any prescription drugs you’re on. If you’re on a drug with a low therapeutic index (or one that you are particularly sensitive to side effects on), you want to avoid anything that could push the balance unfavourably. Fortunately, most drugs have a fairly high therapeutic index (otherwise they wouldn’t get approved in the first place), so the effects of grapefruit juice are largely overstated in most cases.
If you’re on several prescription drugs, the matter gets more complicated when considering interactions. It might be advisable to check with a pharmacist in those circumstances.[/quote]
Hmmm…think ill just donate some blood on the next cycle lol!
Ok so I got my ferritin levels checked and they came back low again at 7! my hematocrit actually dropped by a point to 47 which is good I think. Ive been drinking a lot more water, making sure to stay hydrated.
So with a hct at 47, will I even need to donate blood if I got on a blast of 750Mg test e a week for 12 Weeks?
If I had to donate blood, that would lowet my ferritin even more?
Or should I not be concerned with ferritin since hct and rbc count are good?
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP
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[quote]complete_fraud wrote:
I don’t think they check for hormones and meds probably just screen for diseases. Though I don’t think a pint could contain that much it’s better safe than sorry you know?[/quote]
They check the hematocrit thought. If it is constantly too high, they will start charging you to draw it.