Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

The kid went to the store to get some candy for his brother for crying out loud. He was essentially stereotyped by this asshole while he was walking back home. There is nothing he could have done envisaged through a logical lens that should prompt the neighborhood watchman to shoot him. He’s not a cop and he’s not trained in handling these kind of situations. You call the cops if you are suspicious. If you do engage and things get heated to the point you feel your life is threatened (by a guy with no weapons) then you RUN.

I’m inclined to think this guy will get a Manslaughter charge at the least.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
The kid went to the store to get some candy for his brother for crying out loud. He was essentially stereotyped by this asshole while he was walking back home. There is nothing he could have done envisaged through a logical lens that should prompt the neighborhood watchman to shoot him. He’s not a cop and he’s not trained in handling these kind of situations. You call the cops if you are suspicious. If you do engage and things get heated to the point you feel your life is threatened (by a guy with no weapons) then you RUN.

I’m inclined to think this guy will get a Manslaughter charge at the least.

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You don’t know that for sure. I agree that what people are thinking is the easiest explanation, but that doesn’t mean it’s definitely what happened. We don’t have all the details. We don’t know what words were exchanged between them. We don’t know how the kid was acting before or during their exchange. We don’t know a lot of details, all we know is what the report says which isn’t the whole story.

I’m not saying what definitely happened, I’m just saying that we don’t have all the details, so it’s wrong to jump to the conclusion that it all went down because a white guy stereotyped a black guy. That’s the point I’m trying to make, there’s plenty of other possibilities and we’re selling people we don’t know short if we always just chock it up to that when we don’t really know for sure why he did what he did.

Would you want people making the same assumptions about you if you were caught in a situation where it could be interpreted that way?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

And you still haven’t answered my original question to you. If a black guy thought a white kid looked suspicious and ended up shooting him in the same story, just with the race roles reversed, would you still think it was about race?[/quote]

No, because white people are not stereotypically associated with crime like black people are.

The response I get while walking behind a woman at night is likely to not exactly be the same as if a white guy was walking just like me, the same size and build, in the same position.

These same stereotypes are why I would NOT believe a white kid walking is somehow seen by someone as a “suspicious activity” in and of itself.[/quote]
FWIW I don’t think this is true at all.

When I find myself alone randomly with a strange woman, of any race, they close off. You can see them tense up, act busy, look for an exit, kinda twitch in general. That’s just women, dude. Scared rabbits when out of their comfort zone and skin doesn’t mean much. I’m white, clean cut, no tattoos, usually in either khakis and a button down or Dockers shorts and a polo, maybe jeans and a t-shirt on the weekends, brushed hair and fucking handsome, doesn’t matter.

I’ve been robbed at gunpoint. In high school I worked at a Redwing Boot store for a few months, before trapping at the American Shooting Centers in George Bush Park, off Gessner and I-10. There used to be a Luthers BBQ in the parking lot, until the highway expansion bumped all that stuff.

Two white dudes, they had knocked over a few gas stations in the area evidently too. As soon as they came in to the store, which I was tending alone that afternoon, I knew they were up to no good. Pegged them for criminals and potentially dangerous, white skin and all as they “browsed boots”. (They got caught, one was a first time offender, the other on parole and went back for 25 no parole)

Personally, if I see someone in slouchy pants, oversized clothes, tattoos and a general “I’m so hard” presence, black, brown, white or yellow, I do think they look a little suspicious. I’m not saying this kid was that way, just addressing your suspicion. It’s the overall image, not necessarily race.

If I see people in business casual, smiling, relaxed faces and a friendly demeanor, I’m not suspicious at all, regardless of color.

If a white kid comes in to my neighborhood, now or when my house (in a gated community) is done (fucking rain) wearing ratty clothes, looking around skeevily, and copping an attitude, I probably will be suspicious.

And yeah, I like the exclusivity of a gated, gaurded, camera monitered community. Last time I drove down to check construction, I noticed not one, but two neighbors on my new street at least will be black. One is in an even bigger house than mine. Doesn’t bother me. Neither will their friends I’m sure.

If they can afford what I can afford they are pretty stable people and birds of a feather fly together.

As a matter of fact, I hope they bar b cue. I like how black people cook ribs.

I must say most of you guys need to check out that video. The cartoon they did was just comical in the worst way.

Edit
And it was apart of the local News report

I heard ‘‘Son do you know why I’m stoppin’ you for?’’

Cause I’m young and I’m black and my hats real low?
Do I look like a mind reader sir, I don’t know
Am I under arrest or should I guess some mo’?

‘‘Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo’’
‘‘Liscense and registration and step out of the car’’
‘‘Are you carryin’ a weapon on you I know a lot of you are’’

I ain’t steppin out of shit all my paper’s legit

‘‘Well, do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?’’

Well my glove compartment is locked so are the trunk in the back
And I know my rights so you gon’ need a warrant for that

‘‘Aren’t you sharp as a tack, you some type of lawyer or something’?’’
‘‘Or somebody important or somethin’?’’

Nah, I ain’t pass the bar but i know a little bit
Enough that you won’t illegally search my shit

‘‘We’ll see how smart you are when the K9 come’’

I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
Hit me!!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

And you still haven’t answered my original question to you. If a black guy thought a white kid looked suspicious and ended up shooting him in the same story, just with the race roles reversed, would you still think it was about race?[/quote]

No, because white people are not stereotypically associated with crime like black people are.

The response I get while walking behind a woman at night is likely to not exactly be the same as if a white guy was walking just like me, the same size and build, in the same position.

These same stereotypes are why I would NOT believe a white kid walking is somehow seen by someone as a “suspicious activity” in and of itself.[/quote]

Agreed.

I occasionally laugh and shake my head when, walking with my big bros and cousins – big tall, muscular black guys – around their neighbourhood park, we see some people swiftly putting their phones away, or women holding their bags tightly close, looking weary. Really? I mean, do we look like a gang of thieves? 3 black men and two black chicks. The bros live in a nice hood, dress nicely, their jeans are never below their ass. Yet, the white peeps who spot them somehow act as if they’re about to get mugged. Lol.

I’ve been to some jewellery shops and been followed or closely watched by the sales guy/gal while I browsed and the other shoppers were totally ignored. Wtf? I’m going to spend thousands in your fucking shop, I’m not here to rob you, for fuck’ sake. Give me some space! I thought we were in the 21st century and that we’ve passed that but this kind of behaviour is fucking laughable. If that is not stereotyping I don’t know what it is.

And a white kid walking around a black gated community and being shot dead, is less likely to happen. What would make the black watch captain assume the kid is trouble? He may think the kid is just one the community kids’ friends. A black kid wandering in a mostly white gated community = he’s a trouble maker, a thief, a criminal.

The white watch captain knows he’d get away with murder. The black watch captain consciously knows he just can’t be trigger happy. He’ll call the cops and wait. He knows that by shooting that white kid, his ass will definitely end up in jail that very first night. You’ll even get the whole police brutality squad turning up to beat the shit out of him before throwing his black ass in the police van. Lol.

One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]

I fear jogging in general lol.

And I don’t think HG really really believes what he was saying but if he does then he is an idiot.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

When I find myself alone randomly with a strange woman, of any race, they close off.
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Your rep precedes you.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]

True. And unless those pics are old that was the most puppy looking threat to anyone I have ever seen. That kid was a Disney channel looking kid what the hell was producing the fear for them to even call the cops. Unless they were looking past everything but his tan.

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]

I fear jogging in general lol.

And I don’t think HG really really believes what he was saying but if he does then he is an idiot.
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I do believe in innocence until proven guilty.

I believe in the right to self defense, as discussed in this thread.

I believe there is more to the story as responding officers, privy to pertinent info, did not make an immediate arrest.

I do not believe the kid got shot for being black. I think assuming a white shooter is a racist monster just because he’s white is offensive frankly.

If these beliefs make me dumb, I’m full retard.

The kid was shot because of the struggle in the report.

The kid was stopped because Someone didn’t like how he looked in that area.

What made the kid so special that the cops are called and the person couldn’t wait?

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]what the hell was producing the fear for them to even call the cops. [/quote]
The million dollar question.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]what the hell was producing the fear for them to even call the cops. [/quote]
The million dollar question.[/quote]

LOlz.

Dude, why post so much if this is all you give?

I think we know the answer to that question…unless you think Arizona Iced tea is a threat.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]
Jumping back on the conjecture train, if whites walk through the wrong neighborhood they get shot for their wallets. There are police reports to show it.

Would you shoot me for my wallet, professor?

I wouldn’t shoot you in my neighborhood. Unless you were breaking in to my house or car, but I’d shoot a white guy too.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One point that video made that is very true is the fact that anticipation of things like this happening affects how minorities act and respond.

Of course most white people don’t fear this…because it is rare to be shot just for being white while walking.

It isn’t that rare for being black. From guys getting shot by cops for reaching for a wallet to this bullshit.

How many white guys here actually fear running/jogging through a neighborhood of upper middle class people just for being white?

Is it a shock that I can get pulled over in my car riding through the same neighborhood just because I’m black?

Since being shot is now a risk while walking to your dad’s house, I now get to consider that I could get shot for being a certain skin color when I leave the house. This affects people not even involved…and the denial is ridiculous.[/quote]what the hell was producing the fear for them to even call the cops. [/quote]
The million dollar question.[/quote]

LOlz.

Dude, why post so much if this is all you give?

I think we know the answer to that question…unless you think Arizona Iced tea is a threat.[/quote]
Wut

I’m eagerly anticipating an update to this thread…will be very interesting to see the end result. My money is on the watchman being a racist confrontational scumbag looking for a reason to pull the trigger, but until there’s any sort of investigation, it’s all conjecture.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Jumping back on the conjecture train, if whites walk through the wrong neighborhood they get shot for their wallets. There are police reports to show it.
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Wait…so a Black person in an upper middle class neighborhood is in the “wrong neighborhood”?

That is the ONLY way your analogy works, by the way.

Like I said…why so much?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Jumping back on the conjecture train, if whites walk through the wrong neighborhood they get shot for their wallets. There are police reports to show it.
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Wait…so a Black person in an upper middle class neighborhood is in the “wrong neighborhood”?

That is the ONLY way your analogy works, by the way.

Like I said…why so much?[/quote]
Is a white guy in a predominately black neighborhood in the “wrong neighborhood”?

It works both ways, which is the point.

And who’s strumming the same old harp, really?