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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
“The medical report from George Zimmerman’s family doctor after the Trayvon Martin shooting shows that Zimmerman’s nose was broken, he also had a pair of black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head, a bruised upper lip, and a back injury… Meanwhile, the Trayvon Martin autopsy shows that the skin on his knuckles was broken…”

That evil grafted white devil must’ve headbutted Trayvon’s hands.[/quote]

For a second there I thought this was going to be a biased post - then I read on and saw how Trayvon must have died of broken skin on his knuckles since that was the only injury recorded during the autopsy. Phew![/quote]

I don’t think anyone seriously doubts the black guy put a serious beating on the hispanic guy.

It all comes down to who instigated the actual fight.[/quote]

Doesn’t really matter. People are still going to say Zimmerman had a right to use his gun whoever instigated the fight. My opinion has been all along, that, yes he has a right to defend himself, but he also carries a responsibility not to put himself in a situation where he has to make that call.

One aspect of the case that can’t be disputed is that Zimmerman shouldn’t have been patrolling alone that night, especially when following suspects with unclear motives. [/quote]

I thought he wasn’t patrolling. Wasn’t he just coming back from the store like Trayvon was?[/quote]

That’s news to me. I was trying to avoid get dragged back into the semantic vortex of this thread, but one throwaway comment and here I am… [/quote]

Yeah, it’s like eating Chips or tipping Strippers you tell yourself you’ll only do it once.
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Hey, I disappeared for the whole 2nd and 3rd sets of this thread, I didn’t want to be dragged into it either, haha. But since you said it can’t be disputed, I felt compelled to ask the question.

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So not point blank range…but from a couple of feet…am I right?

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
So not point blank range…but from a couple of feet…am I right?[/quote]

A leaked autopsy reportedly shows that the bullet that killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin was fired from “intermediate range,” which one forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away"

I saw another that said “medium range” is more than 15CM but, less than 60CM

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Starting to look like Duke Lacrosse 2.0

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
How is ‘intermediate range’ defined in ballistics?

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I could be wrong, but I think they base this on the gun powder residue, the amounts on the body shot.[/quote]

Intermediate range is somewhere between “contact” or “point blank” — where the residue is inside the wound and body ----- and too far away to leave any residue.

To say this a different way, this is a gun shot wound WITH residue that is not point blank.

Typically, intermediate range is somewhere between “not point blank” and a couple feet, depending on the firearm.

Rifles would have a longer interval of “intermediate range” because they expel residue faster and in a tighter pattern.

Here, intermediate range is consistent with a “belly shot” between two combatants.

— Mrs. Jewbacca

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
So not point blank range…but from a couple of feet…am I right?[/quote]

Anywhere from a couple inches to a couple feet.

– Mrs. Jewbacca.

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This article says between 1 and 18 inches.

Also says they found drugs in his system during the autopsy.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

This article says between 1 and 18 inches.

Also says they found drugs in his system during the autopsy.[/quote]

Yep, they said they found THC (the wacky weed,cheeba,Marijuana). THC though is one of those drugs that can stay in your system from 2weeks to a month. So it may not play a part in that night. Depending on the level or not.

In the hands of the courts now.

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[i]"Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a broken nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his “facial area was bloodied,” and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.

“Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head,” Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.

Another officer wrote, “I saw that Zimmerman’s face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken.”[/i]

Definitely looks like he got in a scuffle to me.

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Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman’s Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting

Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman’s version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

In addition, Trayvon Martin’s father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man’s voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.

The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman’s gun.

Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a broken nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his “facial area was bloodied,” and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.

“Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head,” Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.

Another officer wrote, “I saw that Zimmerman’s face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken.”

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman’s version of what happened.

“He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,” the police report of the witness said. “He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass.”

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.

The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.

The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard “yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin.”

Martin’s death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.

The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.

Martin’s autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle. The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for a bag of marijuana being discovered in his possession.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

Yep, they said they found THC (the wacky weed,cheeba,Marijuana). THC though is one of those drugs that can stay in your system from 2weeks to a month. So it may not play a part in that night. Depending on the level or not.

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Certainly consistent with Zimmerman’s story that Martin “appeared to be on drugs.”

Basically, 100% of Zimmerman’s story has borne out to be true, so far.

Looks like the media and race-baiters ALMOST got away with lynching an innocent man.

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Hell, fighting was the last thing I wanted to do when I was high.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Hell, fighting was the last thing I wanted to do when I was high.

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You’ve probably never beat up a bus driver, either.

Little angel serving his 3rd suspension from school – one for having burglarly tools and stolen jewelry.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yep, they said they found THC (the wacky weed,cheeba,Marijuana). THC though is one of those drugs that can stay in your system from 2weeks to a month. So it may not play a part in that night. Depending on the level or not.

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Certainly consistent with Zimmerman’s story that Martin “appeared to be on drugs.”

Basically, 100% of Zimmerman’s story has borne out to be true, so far.

Looks like the media and race-baiters ALMOST got away with lynching an innocent man.[/quote]

While it’s cool to play detective and all it’s still up to the courts to decide.

And nothing I’ve seen has changed my view that:

1- I still think Zimmerman will get off because no one knows what happened right before the struggle/Fight

2- Zimmermans Actions 100% From the moment he left the safety of his car to follow a suspect lead to the confrontation the fight and the death.

3- While I see his actions as beyond stupid and showed no forethought into the safety of himself or his surrounding neighbors, I Do Not think he broke any laws other than stupidity and dumbassitness.

4- Stay in the car, call the other watch captains and warn them to call the neighbors of a suspect and then tell them the cops have been called drive home and wait for police.

Gun owners and CCW holders understand that we must always be aware of what MAY happen if we slip up.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s my understanding that shooting victims rarely die instantaneously.

I wonder if Martin lived for a while, and if there was any attempt to save him.[/quote]

CBS - “Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range.”

Sounds pretty final.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s my understanding that shooting victims rarely die instantaneously.

I wonder if Martin lived for a while, and if there was any attempt to save him.[/quote]

CBS - “Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range.”

Sounds pretty final.[/quote]

Unless Zimmerman is an MD, the question is still valid. I wouldn’t trust the average person to know if a person is either dead or unconscious. So, yeah, I would also like to know if there was any attempt at all to save the kid’s life.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s my understanding that shooting victims rarely die instantaneously.

I wonder if Martin lived for a while, and if there was any attempt to save him.[/quote]

CBS - “Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range.”

Sounds pretty final.[/quote]

Unless Zimmerman is an MD, the question is still valid. I wouldn’t trust the average person to know if a person is either dead or unconscious. So, yeah, I would also like to know if there was any attempt at all to save the kid’s life.[/quote]

I just read in the NY TImes that the police tried to save him when they arrived, and then the fire department took over when they got there.[/quote]

Good point. I just assumed he died quickly.

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Police will often handcuff " dead" people for the same reason . More than one wasn’t and tried to attack officers after they were first thought to be dead.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s my understanding that shooting victims rarely die instantaneously.

I wonder if Martin lived for a while, and if there was any attempt to save him.[/quote]

CBS - “Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range.”

Sounds pretty final.[/quote]

Unless Zimmerman is an MD, the question is still valid. I wouldn’t trust the average person to know if a person is either dead or unconscious. So, yeah, I would also like to know if there was any attempt at all to save the kid’s life.[/quote]

I just read in the NY TImes that the police tried to save him when they arrived, and then the fire department took over when they got there.[/quote]

Good point. I just assumed he died quickly.[/quote]