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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It’s my observation you get credit for being a dentist though; the issue was you alluded to being a doctor in an attempt at winning an argument where the traditional view of a doctor would have carried more weight than a dentist.[/quote]

This.

Informing someone that you are a “doctor” means that you are implying you are a PHYSICIAN – i.e., a medical doctor. Someone with an MD. NOT a DMD, DDS, PhD, PharmD, DPT or whatever… That is the inarguable reflexive interpretation of that single-word job description by 99.9% of the population. To not recognize that, or to spend time arguing otherwise, is a ridiculous stretch.

No one is arguing that those people aren’t “doctors”, because obviously they have doctoral degrees in their field of study. However, it is just as misleading for a dentist to refer to themselves as a “doctor” without any sort of qualification as it is for someone with a PhD in medieval English literature to do so.

Sorry if that stings. It’s not meant to belittle the accomplishments or intellectual prowess of people with “non-medical” degrees, but it is nonetheless a fact about the way the word is interpreted in our society.[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Racial Slur on road sign targets Trayvon Martin. Why I ain’t surprised, Amerikkka?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Racial-slur-on-sign-targets-Trayvon-Martin/-/4714498/10365074/-/t45c69/-/index.html

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Quick! Blame it on all non-blacks collectively! And if anyone disagrees its a generally accepted sentiment give them a closet racist hater label instead of addressing their point!

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It’s my observation you get credit for being a dentist though; the issue was you alluded to being a doctor in an attempt at winning an argument where the traditional view of a doctor would have carried more weight than a dentist.[/quote]

This.

Informing someone that you are a “doctor” means that you are implying you are a PHYSICIAN – i.e., a medical doctor. Someone with an MD. NOT a DMD, DDS, PhD, PharmD, DPT or whatever… That is the inarguable reflexive interpretation of that single-word job description by 99.9% of the population. To not recognize that, or to spend time arguing otherwise, is a ridiculous stretch.

No one is arguing that those people aren’t “doctors”, because obviously they have doctoral degrees in their field of study. However, it is just as misleading for a dentist to refer to themselves as a “doctor” without any sort of qualification as it is for someone with a PhD in medieval English literature to do so.

Sorry if that stings. It’s not meant to belittle the accomplishments or intellectual prowess of people with “non-medical” degrees, but it is nonetheless a fact about the way the word is interpreted in our society.[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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Not only that, but considering my work is clinical in nature and involves surgery and the human body, acting like I am lying for calling myself that is just nonsense. It is strange that I don’t see them acting this way with ANYONE else on this board concerning this.

I seriously doubt they will fight you and tell you that you are wrong…but they will take every opportunity with me.

I love the explanations.

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The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It’s my observation you get credit for being a dentist though; the issue was you alluded to being a doctor in an attempt at winning an argument where the traditional view of a doctor would have carried more weight than a dentist.[/quote]

This.

Informing someone that you are a “doctor” means that you are implying you are a PHYSICIAN – i.e., a medical doctor. Someone with an MD. NOT a DMD, DDS, PhD, PharmD, DPT or whatever… That is the inarguable reflexive interpretation of that single-word job description by 99.9% of the population. To not recognize that, or to spend time arguing otherwise, is a ridiculous stretch.

No one is arguing that those people aren’t “doctors”, because obviously they have doctoral degrees in their field of study. However, it is just as misleading for a dentist to refer to themselves as a “doctor” without any sort of qualification as it is for someone with a PhD in medieval English literature to do so.

Sorry if that stings. It’s not meant to belittle the accomplishments or intellectual prowess of people with “non-medical” degrees, but it is nonetheless a fact about the way the word is interpreted in our society.[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[/quote]

You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.

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George Zimmerfuck’s legal team to make some announcement in few mins…

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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It is perfectly acceptable to introduce yourself as “Dr. Matt”. You earned that right with your doctoral degree and obviously do not have to qualify your degree when you introduce yourself.

The fact remains, however, that 99% of the population equates hearing “I am a doctor” with “I am a physician”; therefore, if you want to appeal to authority in an argument by stating “I am a doctor”, then don’t be surprised when the obvious interpretation of that statement is that you have a medical degree.

“Tell me about yourself, Matt.”
“Oh, I’m a doctor.”

^THIS implies you are a physician. You can argue otherwise til you are blue in the face, talk about how the problem is with everyone else jumping to conclusions, but it doesn’t change the fact that THAT statement is – in our society, at least – meant to convey the fact that you have obtained a medical degree.

Again, this DOES NOT MEAN you are not a “real” doctor; it simply reflects on the way our society largely views that term as a single-word description of one’s profession.

Look, if X didn’t think it carried more weight, he would be famous for spamming debates with “I am a dentist”.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It’s my observation you get credit for being a dentist though; the issue was you alluded to being a doctor in an attempt at winning an argument where the traditional view of a doctor would have carried more weight than a dentist.[/quote]

This.

Informing someone that you are a “doctor” means that you are implying you are a PHYSICIAN – i.e., a medical doctor. Someone with an MD. NOT a DMD, DDS, PhD, PharmD, DPT or whatever… That is the inarguable reflexive interpretation of that single-word job description by 99.9% of the population. To not recognize that, or to spend time arguing otherwise, is a ridiculous stretch.

No one is arguing that those people aren’t “doctors”, because obviously they have doctoral degrees in their field of study. However, it is just as misleading for a dentist to refer to themselves as a “doctor” without any sort of qualification as it is for someone with a PhD in medieval English literature to do so.

Sorry if that stings. It’s not meant to belittle the accomplishments or intellectual prowess of people with “non-medical” degrees, but it is nonetheless a fact about the way the word is interpreted in our society.[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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Running with this tangent, but you said you introduce yourself as ‘Dr ’ which is very fundamentally different than saying ‘I am , I’m a doctor.’ The latter is what Anonym is describing. The vast majority of people will hear the latter and assume you mean you are a doctor in a field of medicine, not wait for you to clarify what alternate field it is you are a doctor in.

Whether this is incriminating to w/e forum thread they are discussing I have no idea, being a dentist is much less removed from typical medical fields than even most other scientific doctorates(sidenote: it’s kind of sad the qualifiers that have to be used in this thread now because of how scrutinizing we are getting…).

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[/quote]

You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

Didn’t we have this conversation in the first or second Trayvon Martin thread? Despite what people think, dentists do receive clinical training, especially when injuries can cause damage to the teeth and general mouth area, and goes double for dentists with surgical training, which I did not know X had. It is silly to even think otherwise. Dental school is not just about cleaning teeth and putting in braces, they actually have to know things.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

And yet, despite this apparent interchangeability between doctor and dentist, you are NOT famous for spamming discussions with, “Dude, I am a dentist” or “Dude, I have a DDS/DMD.”

Is that just dumb chance, or do you recognize the differences in the way our society views those two professions and are leveraging the impression of one to give yourself more credibility?

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[/quote]

You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

Didn’t we have this conversation in the first or second Trayvon Martin thread? Despite what people think, dentists do receive clinical training, especially when injuries can cause damage to the teeth and general mouth area, and goes double for dentists with surgical training, which I did not know X had. It is silly to even think otherwise. Dental school is not just about cleaning teeth and putting in braces, they actually have to know things.[/quote]

The first two years are the same classes as the med students. I have even posted the curriculum before. You just have people here who seem to get off on acting like that is irrelevant because of whatever stereotype of a “dentist” they already had in their mind. Anyone who prescribes meds and can open a wound and suture it back up is a doctor. I know that hurts some people. I am not taking anything away from MDs either. They would send a patient to me if it was a mouth issue like I would to them for something more general in nature.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[/quote]

You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

Didn’t we have this conversation in the first or second Trayvon Martin thread? Despite what people think, dentists do receive clinical training, especially when injuries can cause damage to the teeth and general mouth area, and goes double for dentists with surgical training, which I did not know X had. It is silly to even think otherwise. Dental school is not just about cleaning teeth and putting in braces, they actually have to know things.[/quote]

We’ve had this conversation on T Nation 10,000 times. Professor X did exactly what Anonym/HG described, tried to portray himself as a medical doctor to boost his credentials in a debate.

He got called out on it by everyone, and now he tries to bring it up at least once a week as evidence that people discriminate against him based of race.

It’s funny how so many people have a problem with him, but he refuses to believe that maybe, just maybe, he is the cause of it. It simply must be everybody else’s fault.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

Running with this tangent, but you said you introduce yourself as ‘Dr ’ which is very fundamentally different than saying ‘I am , I’m a doctor.’ The latter is what Anonym is describing. The vast majority of people will hear the latter and assume you mean you are a doctor in a field of medicine, not wait for you to clarify what alternate field it is you are a doctor in.

Whether this is incriminating to w/e forum thread they are discussing I have no idea, being a dentist is much less removed from typical medical fields than even most other scientific doctorates(sidenote: it’s kind of sad the qualifiers that have to be used in this thread now because of how scrutinizing we are getting…).[/quote]

No it is not “fundamentally different” for me to say I am Dr. whatever then “I am a doctor.” I am a doctor and have every right to say that I am. If you or anyone else wants to assume that I am an MD, that is on you. There are many different fields to get a doctorate in and everyone who has a doctorate in any field has the right to say they are a doctor, even chiropractors. Not a single one of us needs to start calling ourselves something different or clarify anything just because you or even the majority of people think that “Doctor” means “MD” all the time.

Also, I can count on one hand the number of times I have told someone that I am a doctor and they assumed I was an MD. Most people who are interested just ask what I have my doctorate in.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
Running with this tangent, but you said you introduce yourself as ‘Dr ’ which is very fundamentally different than saying ‘I am , I’m a doctor.’ The latter is what Anonym is describing. The vast majority of people will hear the latter and assume you mean you are a doctor in a field of medicine, not wait for you to clarify what alternate field it is you are a doctor in.[/quote]

This.

When you spam a room full of people with “I am a doctor”, and your PhD is in landscape architecture, don’t act like they are all being ridiculous when they immediately run to get you when some guy starts choking/having a heart attack.

When someone yells, “is there a doctor in the house?”… 99.999% of the time they DON’T mean the guy who got his PhD by studying the mating habits of preying mantises.

It isn’t about being required to clarify what you mean when you say “I’m Dr. [so-and-so]”, it’s about using the single-word description of “doctor” to describe what you do for a living.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

And yet, despite this apparent interchangeability between doctor and dentist, you are NOT famous for spamming discussions with, “Dude, I am a dentist” or “Dude, I have a DDS/DMD.”

Is that just dumb chance, or do you recognize the differences in the way our society views those two professions and are leveraging the impression of one to give yourself more credibility?[/quote]

All of the credibility is in the name. You can look the curriculum up yourself. What exactly can I not speak on?

What field am I going on about that I have NO training in?

You don’t have much of a point unless you show what I was trained in to have no bearing in what biologic issues arise in discussion.

Pharmacology?

Took that

Biochemistry?

Took that too

Gross Anatomy?

Cut up the corpse.

No one has to make shit up when you were trained in it. Blame yourself for not knowing it.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The implication, however, was that he was a medical physician. It would be wrong for you to imply being a physician to win an argument that a physician’s opinion would sway when you do not have a physician’s credentials. Misleading is misleading.[/quote]

You seem to be making shit up again. I have never claimed to be an MD or implied as such. Stating I am a doc when I have the background and training I do isn’t wrong or implying anything other than what it is.[/quote]

Didn’t we have this conversation in the first or second Trayvon Martin thread? Despite what people think, dentists do receive clinical training, especially when injuries can cause damage to the teeth and general mouth area, and goes double for dentists with surgical training, which I did not know X had. It is silly to even think otherwise. Dental school is not just about cleaning teeth and putting in braces, they actually have to know things.[/quote]

We’ve had this conversation on T Nation 10,000 times. Professor X did exactly what Anonym/HG described, tried to portray himself as a medical doctor to boost his credentials in a debate.

He got called out on it by everyone, and now he tries to bring it up at least once a week as evidence that people discriminate against him based of race.

It’s funny how so many people have a problem with him, but he refuses to believe that maybe, just maybe, he is the cause of it. It simply must be everybody else’s fault.[/quote]

? I have never implied I am an MD…and I do believe most people here have known I was a dentist since I graduated over 8 years ago.

I made it very clear when I got my degree…so what are you talking about?

Notice, these same people will not chase chiropractors around like this.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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No, it’s country dependent.

In Canada you’re not allowed to walk around calling yourself a doctor unless you are chiropractor, dentist, medical doctor, optometrist or psychologists.

So yes you would have to specify you are PhD and cannot say you’re a doctor. Outside of an education setting (within a university) you’d get in trouble for referring to yourself as a doctor here unless you are one of the above.

Secondly, this hating on dentist is ridiculous. As someone who is a sibling of a dentist, I have a good understanding of the shit they have to go through. It difficult to become a dentits and is deserving of the doctor title.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

This is just plain wrong. Anybody with any kind of a doctorate has every right to tell people that they are a doctor, whether it is in medicine or art history. If you or anyone else, even the majority of people, want to think think that just because someone says they are a doctor they mean an MD that is on you for making assumptions. When I introduce myself, I say I am Dr. whatever my last name is. I don’t need to specify that I am a PhD and not an MD, that is just retarded. It is not “misleading” for me to call myself a doctor anymore than it is for Professor X. Professor X and I are both doctors and have every reason to say we are doctors. Nor is it any more misleading for me to call myself a professor or a physicist.
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No, it’s country dependent.

In Canada you’re not allowed to walk around calling yourself a doctor unless you are chiropractor, dentist, medical doctor, optometrist or psychologists.

So yes you would have to specify you are PhD and cannot say you’re a doctor. Outside of an education (within a university) you’d get in trouble for referring to yourself as a doctor here unless you are one of the above.

Secondly, this hating on dentist is ridiculous. As someone who is a sibling of a dentist, I have a good understanding of the shit they have to go through. It difficult to become a dentits and is deserving of the doctor title.
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It is strange knowing the classes I took yet getting told by lay people that those classes are void because they THINK I’m not qualified.

LOL

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Once again the context of intent is lost on semantics.

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Some first year courses…which by the way means I am qualified to speak on these topics. This is just first year.
General Histology DENF 1501
Gross Anatomy DENS 1502
Neurosciences DENS 1504
Oral Histology DENS 1508
Biochemistry DENF 1521
Physiology I DENF 1541
Physiology II DENS 1542
Microbiology and Immunology

Mind you, that neurosciences class required full understanding of the brain and its anatomy.

I am still waiting to hear what I can’t speak on that makes me calling myself a “doctor” so horrible.

Let me know if you want the second semester.