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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Explain “acting like you have a broken nose”[/quote]

Broken nose would usually include issues with breathing. That would mean mouth breathing as a recourse along with dealing with the pain issue. Most people do not fracture the bones in their nose and then act like nothing happened. Most people don’t break their nose and then avoid bleeding or even the accumulation of blood in the area which would lead to redness and swelling that would be very visible on someone with light skin.

I will wait on the coroners report for any final decision…but after treating many wounds over the years, seeing one that avoids the swelling and redness issue is very strange indeed.

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Even Fighters that get clocked in the nose on a routine basis says that shit hurts. I’m surprised he wasn’t in agony…or is it because he was in shock? IDk It still hurts when I spar and get hit in the nose.

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This is Kobe during the All Star game. Can you tell he has a broken nose in this picture? You can barely tell it’s even swollen. A broken nose doesn’t necessarily mean it’s shattered into 10 pieces and looks totally deformed.

They cleaned up the blood and he finished playing the game.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
This is Kobe during the All Star game. Can you tell he has a broken nose in this picture? You can barely tell it’s even swollen. A broken nose doesn’t necessarily mean it’s shattered into 10 pieces and looks totally deformed.

They cleaned up the blood and he finished playing the game.

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It isn’t just about the still photograph. How bad was his fracture? Did he show any signs at all of issues with breathing afterwards? Even if Zimmerman presents with a hairline fracture, the fact that the witness saw little movement and the absence of wounds on Trayvon’s hands isn’t pointing to some insane attack.

They can’t even tell who was on the ground meaning NOTHING right now is supporting Zimmerman’s account until the medical report comes out.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
This is Kobe during the All Star game. Can you tell he has a broken nose in this picture? You can barely tell it’s even swollen. A broken nose doesn’t necessarily mean it’s shattered into 10 pieces and looks totally deformed.

They cleaned up the blood and he finished playing the game.

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It isn’t just about the still photograph. How bad was his fracture? Did he show any signs at all of issues with breathing afterwards? Even if Zimmerman presents with a hairline fracture, the fact that the witness saw little movement and the absence of wounds on Trayvon’s hands isn’t pointing to some insane attack.

They can’t even tell who was on the ground meaning NOTHING right now is supporting Zimmerman’s account until the medical report comes out.[/quote]
Plenty of broken noses are visibly unnoticeable, especially in grainy video with bad glaring. Some people don’t even know their nose is broken until they discover a deviated septum, a bump of scar tissue appears et cetera.

The alleged witness couldn’t see shit. You can’t see someone breathing through their mouth instead of nose when you can’t even see who is on top. And even if someone does breath through their mouth who cares. I do too when winded.

“How bad was the fracture” is the question. I’ve seen lots of broken noses that barely even bled. And bruising doesn’t occur immediately at all. The severity of the fracture usually correlates with the amount of bruising too, given force and all.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
This is Kobe during the All Star game. Can you tell he has a broken nose in this picture? You can barely tell it’s even swollen. A broken nose doesn’t necessarily mean it’s shattered into 10 pieces and looks totally deformed.

They cleaned up the blood and he finished playing the game.

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It isn’t just about the still photograph. How bad was his fracture? Did he show any signs at all of issues with breathing afterwards? Even if Zimmerman presents with a hairline fracture, the fact that the witness saw little movement and the absence of wounds on Trayvon’s hands isn’t pointing to some insane attack.

They can’t even tell who was on the ground meaning NOTHING right now is supporting Zimmerman’s account until the medical report comes out.[/quote]
Plenty of broken noses are visibly unnoticeable, especially in grainy video with bad glaring. Some people don’t even know their nose is broken until they discover a deviated septum, a bump of scar tissue appears et cetera.[/quote]

? A broken nose caused by trauma is not something someone just stumbles upon later.

Further, how the hell would he know he had one without an x-ray if it is that unnoticeable? Is he psychic? X-rays were taken at the scene in the ambulance? If taken much later, how do we know it happened as a result of this?

Your attempt to cover for this man is making you expose more issues cluing us in on a possible lie.

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Furthermore, nothing is disproving Zimmerman’s account; a far more important aspect.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
This is Kobe during the All Star game. Can you tell he has a broken nose in this picture? You can barely tell it’s even swollen. A broken nose doesn’t necessarily mean it’s shattered into 10 pieces and looks totally deformed.

They cleaned up the blood and he finished playing the game.

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It isn’t just about the still photograph. How bad was his fracture? Did he show any signs at all of issues with breathing afterwards? Even if Zimmerman presents with a hairline fracture, the fact that the witness saw little movement and the absence of wounds on Trayvon’s hands isn’t pointing to some insane attack.

They can’t even tell who was on the ground meaning NOTHING right now is supporting Zimmerman’s account until the medical report comes out.[/quote]
Plenty of broken noses are visibly unnoticeable, especially in grainy video with bad glaring. Some people don’t even know their nose is broken until they discover a deviated septum, a bump of scar tissue appears et cetera.[/quote]

? A broken nose caused by trauma is not something someone just stumbles upon later.

Further, how the hell would he know he had one without an x-ray if it is that unnoticeable? Is he psychic? X-rays were taken at the scene in the ambulance? If taken much later, how do we know it happened as a result of this?

Your attempt to cover for this man is making you expose more issues cluing us in on a possible lie.

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All broken noses are caused by trauma and some do go unnoticed.

Picture a scale of visibility if I have to spell it out.

You are alleging the guy would have a Michael Jackson nose or some shit and would be flopping around suffocating.

I’m telling you broken noses can go unnoticed and do, or more accurately are thought to simply be a painfully bloody nose.

There is a shit ton of middle ground and the fact the alleged witness couldn’t see shit doesn’t detract from Zimmermans story at all.

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No, he spoke of a broken nose early on…which if as you say it was so unnoticeable, he would need an x-ray to be taken for HIM to know he had one or anyone else. They don’t do that in an ambulance. Was he even taken to a hospital?

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…and let me add, he damn sure ACTS LIKE has has a broken nose:

Mind you, he is on national tv so acting like a complete pussy may want to be avoided.

The only reason you don’t see the redness is because of his dark skin tone…which is NOT an issue with Zimmerman.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Furthermore, nothing is disproving Zimmerman’s account; a far more important aspect.[/quote]

My understanding is that it is up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was not acting in self defense. Unless there is a smoking gun that comes out and completely and clearly disproves his statement, I’m not sure how they can get a conviction. This is of course assuming a truly impartial jury, which apparently you can get in Florida based on the Casey Anthony trial.

The police messing up the investigation could actually help the defense to raise that reasonable doubt.

Hell, he probably won’t even have to take the stand in his own defense.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, he spoke of a broken nose early on…which if as you say it was so unnoticeable, he would need an x-ray to be taken for HIM to know he had one or anyone else. They don’t do that in an ambulance. Was he even taken to a hospital? [/quote]
Again, put in on a scale. Visualize a shaded line darkening with severity or assign a 1-10 numerical value.

You are alleging a 10. A crooked nose, a torn open bridge, a huge swelling bump and raccoon eyes.

I’m saying a 1 exists. On the scale there would be a level noticeable to a medical professional up close and personal but not some witness who couldn’t see shit or even a grainy camera with horrible lighting.

As usual, nothing can be determined to detract from evidence supporting Zimmerman.

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I’ve never killed someone but I imagine if I had, it would be at the forefront of my thought and drown everything else out. I’m not surprised he isn’t paying attention to his injuries

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and let me add, he damn sure ACTS LIKE has has a broken nose:

Mind you, he is on national tv so acting like a complete pussy may want to be avoided.

The only reason you don’t see the redness is because of his dark skin tone…which is NOT an issue with Zimmerman.[/quote]
At the moment Zimmerman’s nose broke, on the ground which the witness couldn’t comment to, he probably reacted too. Kobe went on to play, Zimmerman went on to shoot.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, he spoke of a broken nose early on…which if as you say it was so unnoticeable, he would need an x-ray to be taken for HIM to know he had one or anyone else. They don’t do that in an ambulance. Was he even taken to a hospital? [/quote]
Again, put in on a scale. Visualize a shaded line darkening with severity or assign a 1-10 numerical value.

You are alleging a 10. A crooked nose, a torn open bridge, a huge swelling bump and raccoon eyes.

I’m saying a 1 exists. On the scale there would be a level noticeable to a medical professional up close and personal but not some witness who couldn’t see shit or even a grainy camera with horrible lighting.

As usual, nothing can be determined to detract from evidence supporting Zimmerman.[/quote]

All I am “alleging” is that a minor nose fracture like you claim it may be would NEED an x-ray for ANYONE to know it was broken. Otherwise, swelling and bleeding in the area are what I would be looking for in a video.

Posting a picture of a dark skinned black man as proof of non-redness and swelling is ridiculous. You can tell Kobe’s nose is swelling by the end of that tape and it is more red despite his dark skin tone.

Zimmerman should have looked like Rudolph…but he doesn’t.

What x-ray vision was used to determine fracture?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

What x-ray vision was used to determine fracture?[/quote]

Did Zimmerman state his nose is broken, or did a doctor?

I don’t think someone saying their nose is broken, but not actually being broken, automatically discredits them, especially if they have no formal medical training.

Hell if threw in the qualified “I think” before saying his nose is broken then it really doesn’t matter if it was or not. A lot of people not used to getting hit will get popped in the nose and think it might be broken.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, he spoke of a broken nose early on…which if as you say it was so unnoticeable, he would need an x-ray to be taken for HIM to know he had one or anyone else. They don’t do that in an ambulance. Was he even taken to a hospital? [/quote]
Again, put in on a scale. Visualize a shaded line darkening with severity or assign a 1-10 numerical value.

You are alleging a 10. A crooked nose, a torn open bridge, a huge swelling bump and raccoon eyes.

I’m saying a 1 exists. On the scale there would be a level noticeable to a medical professional up close and personal but not some witness who couldn’t see shit or even a grainy camera with horrible lighting.

As usual, nothing can be determined to detract from evidence supporting Zimmerman.[/quote]

All I am “alleging” is that a minor nose fracture like you claim it may be would NEED an x-ray for ANYONE to know it was broken. Otherwise, swelling and bleeding in the area are what I would be looking for in a video.

Posting a picture of a dark skinned black man as proof of non-redness and swelling is ridiculous. You can tell Kobe’s nose is swelling by the end of that tape and it is more red despite his dark skin tone.

Zimmerman should have looked like Rudolph…but he doesn’t.

What x-ray vision was used to determine fracture?[/quote]
A trained medic up close and a shitty camera from a distance are worlds apart.

And frankly, even if his nose wasn’t broken, it wouldn’t matter. We do have images of a stitched head and two witnesses corroborating a fight.

The question is still who attacked who and the evidence hasn’t changed.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What x-ray vision was used to determine fracture?[/quote]

Did Zimmerman state his nose is broken, or did a doctor?

I don’t think someone saying their nose is broken, but not actually being broken, automatically discredits them, especially if they have no formal medical training.

Hell if threw in the qualified “I think” before saying his nose is broken then it really doesn’t matter if it was or not. A lot of people not used to getting hit will get popped in the nose and think it might be broken.[/quote]

Well, they seem to be taking the man at his word for everything possible and are suddenly trained medically enough to post still pictures in defense even though the video shows a black man with a red and swelling nose.

Zimmerman claimed his nose was broken. You wouldn’t know this if the trauma was so minor that no redness or swelling is present without x-ray.

Mind you, I only take a few hundred x-rays a week.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Furthermore, nothing is disproving Zimmerman’s account; a far more important aspect.[/quote]

My understanding is that it is up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was not acting in self defense. Unless there is a smoking gun that comes out and completely and clearly disproves his statement, I’m not sure how they can get a conviction. This is of course assuming a truly impartial jury, which apparently you can get in Florida based on the Casey Anthony trial.

The police messing up the investigation could actually help the defense to raise that reasonable doubt.

Hell, he probably won’t even have to take the stand in his own defense.[/quote]

It is up to him to prove his claim of self defense. Since his account of events allegedly matches up with the physical evidence and the witness reports are inconclusive, he has a very good case. It is up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is lying and that whatever they are charging with is what happened beyond a reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to much, if anything, to disprove Zimmerman’s claim that I have seen. I don’t expect these new witness statements to stand up to scrutiny ,and even if they do, neither really saw anything to disprove Zimmerman’s claims.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What x-ray vision was used to determine fracture?[/quote]

Did Zimmerman state his nose is broken, or did a doctor?

I don’t think someone saying their nose is broken, but not actually being broken, automatically discredits them, especially if they have no formal medical training.

Hell if threw in the qualified “I think” before saying his nose is broken then it really doesn’t matter if it was or not. A lot of people not used to getting hit will get popped in the nose and think it might be broken.[/quote]

Well, they seem to be taking the man at his word for everything possible and are suddenly trained medically enough to post still pictures in defense even though the video shows a black man with a red and swelling nose.

Zimmerman claimed his nose was broken. You wouldn’t know this if the trauma was so minor that no redness or swelling is present without x-ray.

Mind you, I only take a few hundred x-rays a week.[/quote]
Of teeth.

Just a really quick aside, what do you charge for a cleaning and do you do whitening?

Back on topic, none of this new info changes a single thing.