Black Teen Shot 3

Big_Boss · March 30, 2012, 9:38pm

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
He was following the kid to ask a pretty typical neighborhood watch question until the kid ran and he went back to his truck and was attacked by a kid with a history of attacking people.
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Ok…since we’re all about keeping constructive discussion in line…I have to ask:

Is it well established that the scuffle and gunshot happened near Zimmerman’s truck?? I know Zimmerman claims that he was returning to his vehicle and Martin attacked him. You seem pretty sure that’s what happened? What is solid other than Zimmerman’s word for you to state it as fact???

And I still argue that Zimmerman’s actions once he disconnected from 911 were not “typical” of a neighborhood watch.[/quote]
In keeping context, the full quote was conjecture in response to conjecture.

My official stance is innocent until proven guilty, ftr.[/quote]

Hmmm…what does conjecture mean??[/quote]
Srsly?[/quote]

No…sarcastically…considering what has been disproved.

HoustonGuy · March 30, 2012, 10:12pm

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
He was following the kid to ask a pretty typical neighborhood watch question until the kid ran and he went back to his truck and was attacked by a kid with a history of attacking people.
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Ok…since we’re all about keeping constructive discussion in line…I have to ask:

Is it well established that the scuffle and gunshot happened near Zimmerman’s truck?? I know Zimmerman claims that he was returning to his vehicle and Martin attacked him. You seem pretty sure that’s what happened? What is solid other than Zimmerman’s word for you to state it as fact???

And I still argue that Zimmerman’s actions once he disconnected from 911 were not “typical” of a neighborhood watch.[/quote]
In keeping context, the full quote was conjecture in response to conjecture.

My official stance is innocent until proven guilty, ftr.[/quote]

Hmmm…what does conjecture mean??[/quote]
Srsly?[/quote]

No…sarcastically…considering what has been disproved.[/quote]
Ok good. It is definitely a media tinted conjecture shit storm.

waldo21212 · March 30, 2012, 10:34pm

Here’s a question I have - I haven’t seen it addressed:

Has there been any talk about rules for guests in the gated community being escorted by a resident or being given access code/key/card?

I ask this because I have been to gated communities (country club estates mostly) that have rules that state guests of residents are supposed to be supervised/accompanied at all times by a resident.

Hell I even lived in a high rise apartment building with similar rules about guests not being allowed to wonder around w/o an escort.

Also if the police did botch or try to sway the initial investigation, that is terrible, and there will always be doubts and suspicion no matter the outcome. This IMO is the worst possible outcome.

Dr_Matt581 · March 30, 2012, 10:41pm

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
Here’s a question I have - I haven’t seen it addressed:

Has there been any talk about rules for guests in the gated community being escorted by a resident or being given access code/key/card?

I ask this because I have been to gated communities (country club estates mostly) that have rules that state guests of residents are supposed to be supervised/accompanied at all times by a resident.

Hell I even lived in a high rise apartment building with similar rules about guests not being allowed to wonder around w/o an escort.

Also if the police did botch or try to sway the initial investigation, that is terrible, and there will always be doubts and suspicion no matter the outcome. This IMO is the worst possible outcome.[/quote]

My neighborhood has a rule like that, but it is a much nicer neighborhood than this one and we have a professional, paid security force so I don’t know if his does. It would be nice to know, but it will probably not matter too much in this case.

four60 · March 30, 2012, 10:45pm

This is some bullshit really. If this happened in the 90’s I could understand all these photo/video-Less witness statements . But how did all these people claim to see something but no vids no pics??

Almost every phone on the planet has a camera. Hell even a dark blurry pic is better than what you think you might have possibly seen.

We have an old lady on the corner who takes pics of the pizza guys car if he is parked to long.

Mannnn fuck that block.

I’m kinda joking but kinda not.

21st century mofo’ers

(I just watched a vid someone posted in GAL of a girl dry humping a tree and I counted 20 people clicking pics with a cell)

Dr_Matt581 · March 30, 2012, 10:52pm

[quote]four60 wrote:
This is some bullshit really. If this happened in the 90’s I could understand all these photo/video-Less witness statements . But how did all these people claim to see something but no vids no pics??

Almost every phone on the planet has a camera. Hell even a dark blurry pic is better than what you think you might have possibly seen.

We have an old lady on the corner who takes pics of the pizza guys car if he is parked to long.

Mannnn fuck that block.

I’m kinda joking but kinda not.

21st century mofo’ers

(I just watched a vid someone posted in GAL of a girl dry humping a tree and I counted 20 people clicking pics with a cell)[/quote]

I find it hard to believe that one guy who gave a pretty clear account about something that supposedly happened in the dark on a walkway behind the main road. The other witness’ mom says it was too dark to see anything, but this guy was close enough to not only see the fight but also see that Zimmerman was uninjured? I hope that if the police did pressure that kid into giving his statement, they get fired. I really want to see the coroner’s report, the rest of the police reports, and any pictures of Zimmerman’s supposed injuries. There has been way too much lying by the media for both sides that I refuse to believe anything they say at this point. And you have a great point about the video. If I see a fight, I am going to record it and put it on youtube right away.

FrozenNinja · March 30, 2012, 11:01pm

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
An unnamed witness speaking on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” said the entirety of the scuffle he saw between the two took place on grass, challenging Zimmerman’s claim that Martin had smashed his head against a sidewalk after punching him in the face – causing him to shoot the 17-year-old dead in self-defense.

Read more: Trayvon Martin witness casts doubt on shooter's self-defense claims | Fox News

In reference to the size difference between 28-year-old Zimmerman and Martin, the witness described the fight as being between a “larger man” and a “boy.” While the witness said he was not able to see who was on top of the other as the two scuffled, he said “there wasn’t a lot of movement” immediately before he heard a gunshot.

Zimmerman “didn’t appear hurt” as he walked away, he added, and he didn’t see any blood on him.

Read more: Trayvon Martin witness casts doubt on shooter's self-defense claims | Fox News
An interesting twist indeed.

However, though the guy could tell the difference between the two men, he couldn’t tell who was on top because it was dark?

Yet it was bright enough to see the entire fight happened on grass?

He expected to see blood in the dark, from a distance?

How do you “appear hurt” from a broken nose and cut head? Limp like your ankle broke?

The only real “news” here is a third alleged witness saw the fight but still couldn’t determine the aggressor.[/quote]

Your last sentence is why I highlighted it. I think it’s important that he couldn’t really make anybody out.

four60 · March 30, 2012, 11:04pm

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
This is some bullshit really. If this happened in the 90’s I could understand all these photo/video-Less witness statements . But how did all these people claim to see something but no vids no pics??

Almost every phone on the planet has a camera. Hell even a dark blurry pic is better than what you think you might have possibly seen.

We have an old lady on the corner who takes pics of the pizza guys car if he is parked to long.

Mannnn fuck that block.

I’m kinda joking but kinda not.

21st century mofo’ers

(I just watched a vid someone posted in GAL of a girl dry humping a tree and I counted 20 people clicking pics with a cell)[/quote]

I find it hard to believe that one guy who gave a pretty clear account about something that supposedly happened in the dark on a walkway behind the main road. The other witness’ mom says it was too dark to see anything, but this guy was close enough to not only see the fight but also see that Zimmerman was uninjured? I hope that if the police did pressure that kid into giving his statement, they get fired. I really want to see the coroner’s report, the rest of the police reports, and any pictures of Zimmerman’s supposed injuries. There has been way too much lying by the media for both sides that I refuse to believe anything they say at this point. And you have a great point about the video. If I see a fight, I am going to record it and put it on youtube right away.
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My local news had way better info than the major News (well let’s be honest it’s more commentary & opinions than news)channels like Fox, CNN etc.

Professor_X · March 30, 2012, 11:05pm

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
This is some bullshit really. If this happened in the 90’s I could understand all these photo/video-Less witness statements . But how did all these people claim to see something but no vids no pics??

Almost every phone on the planet has a camera. Hell even a dark blurry pic is better than what you think you might have possibly seen.

We have an old lady on the corner who takes pics of the pizza guys car if he is parked to long.

Mannnn fuck that block.

I’m kinda joking but kinda not.

21st century mofo’ers

(I just watched a vid someone posted in GAL of a girl dry humping a tree and I counted 20 people clicking pics with a cell)[/quote]

I find it hard to believe that one guy who gave a pretty clear account about something that supposedly happened in the dark on a walkway behind the main road. The other witness’ mom says it was too dark to see anything, but this guy was close enough to not only see the fight but also see that Zimmerman was uninjured? I hope that if the police did pressure that kid into giving his statement, they get fired. I really want to see the coroner’s report, the rest of the police reports, and any pictures of Zimmerman’s supposed injuries. There has been way too much lying by the media for both sides that I refuse to believe anything they say at this point. And you have a great point about the video. If I see a fight, I am going to record it and put it on youtube right away.
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He said he walked away like he was uninjured, didn’t he? And that he couldn’t see any blood.

I know if you have a broken nose, you ACT like you have a broken nose.

They gave that kid a multiple choice quiz an told him to pick a color so they could tell which jacket was on top.

The guy who saw the fight said there was very little movement and then gun fire.

That sure as hell sounds like a struggle for the weapon to me.

…and to the people asking why someone would fight a guy with a gun instead of run, it depends on how close Zimmerman was when the kid saw it. You can’t outrun a bullet…and if Zimmerman was in the process of pulling it out, yeah, it would make sense to try to wrestle it out of his hand depending on that fight or flight response.

No one is thinking with a level head when their life is on the line.

four60 · March 30, 2012, 11:27pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
This is some bullshit really. If this happened in the 90’s I could understand all these photo/video-Less witness statements . But how did all these people claim to see something but no vids no pics??

Almost every phone on the planet has a camera. Hell even a dark blurry pic is better than what you think you might have possibly seen.

We have an old lady on the corner who takes pics of the pizza guys car if he is parked to long.

Mannnn fuck that block.

I’m kinda joking but kinda not.

21st century mofo’ers

(I just watched a vid someone posted in GAL of a girl dry humping a tree and I counted 20 people clicking pics with a cell)[/quote]

I find it hard to believe that one guy who gave a pretty clear account about something that supposedly happened in the dark on a walkway behind the main road. The other witness’ mom says it was too dark to see anything, but this guy was close enough to not only see the fight but also see that Zimmerman was uninjured? I hope that if the police did pressure that kid into giving his statement, they get fired. I really want to see the coroner’s report, the rest of the police reports, and any pictures of Zimmerman’s supposed injuries. There has been way too much lying by the media for both sides that I refuse to believe anything they say at this point. And you have a great point about the video. If I see a fight, I am going to record it and put it on youtube right away.
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He said he walked away like he was uninjured, didn’t he? And that he couldn’t see any blood.

I know if you have a broken nose, you ACT like you have a broken nose.

They gave that kid a multiple choice quiz an told him to pick a color so they could tell which jacket was on top.

The guy who saw the fight said there was very little movement and then gun fire.

That sure as hell sounds like a struggle for the weapon to me.

…and to the people asking why someone would fight a guy with a gun instead of run, it depends on how close Zimmerman was when the kid saw it. You
can’t outrun a bullet…and if Zimmerman was in the process of pulling it out, yeah, it would make sense to try to wrestle it out of his hand depending on that fight or flight response.

No one is thinking with a level head when their life is on the line.[/quote]

opinion not fact

I’ve held off saying this because to many maybes have already been put out… Butttttt…

I can’t stop wondering why did Zimmerman follow this kid so far from his car. If you think he is up to no good call the cops take a pic and go home or sit in car an wait for the police. But what he said in the 911 tape keeps playing in my head “These assholes always get away”.

If Zimmerman is seeing this kid as one of “These assholes always get away” and decides to cut him off and hold him until the cops come. Well then I can see how a fight could break out.

Because once again Martin has no clue who zimm is and he was scared enough to haul ass away from him.

Again this is just my rambling out loud.

Dr_Matt581 · March 30, 2012, 11:34pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

He said he walked away like he was uninjured, didn’t he? And that he couldn’t see any blood.

I know if you have a broken nose, you ACT like you have a broken nose.

They gave that kid a multiple choice quiz an told him to pick a color so they could tell which jacket was on top.

The guy who saw the fight said there was very little movement and then gun fire.

That sure as hell sounds like a struggle for the weapon to me.

…and to the people asking why someone would fight a guy with a gun instead of run, it depends on how close Zimmerman was when the kid saw it. You can’t outrun a bullet…and if Zimmerman was in the process of pulling it out, yeah, it would make sense to try to wrestle it out of his hand depending on that fight or flight response.

No one is thinking with a level head when their life is on the line.[/quote]

I don’t know, man. Their accounts are definitely possible, but I have a hard time believing them. First, why did it take so long for the one witness to come forward? Also, why did it take so long for the mother to tell the press about how the police questioned her son? Last time I checked, police can’t question kids without a parent or guardian present. This just smacks of people making stuff up to get attention and/or money. I don’t have any proof of this of course, but it doesn’t add up to me. I wonder if they were paid at all by the news companies. I also wonder why one witness supposedly couldn’t see a thing and yet the other could see clearly enough to state there was no blood.

EDIT: I just looked it up and apparently police do not need a parent’s consent to questiona child, so I was wrong about that.

njrusmc · March 30, 2012, 11:58pm

Realistically, nothing is going to add up very well. I’d hate to be sitting in the jury box for this trial. And yes, I hope there is a trial. There really needs to be. It would be a huge injustice for Z to walk without at least being indicted (indicating that the grand jury feels there is enough cause to go to trial).

X: Adrenaline masks pain. If I just got my head smashed in a side walk and I brawled with/shot the guy who did it, I probably wouldn’t immediately be focusing on my own injuries. I’d probably be amped up from the shit that just happened and not focusing on my head. Wouldn’t the police report contain information about whether or not this happened? I didn’t think this was up for debate, unless I missed it.

Dr_Matt581 · March 31, 2012, 12:00am

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Realistically, nothing is going to add up very well. I’d hate to be sitting in the jury box for this trial. And yes, I hope there is a trial. There really needs to be. It would be a huge injustice for Z to walk without at least being indicted (indicating that the grand jury feels there is enough cause to go to trial).

X: Adrenaline masks pain. If I just got my head smashed in a side walk and I brawled with/shot the guy who did it, I probably wouldn’t immediately be focusing on my own injuries. I’d probably be amped up from the shit that just happened and not focusing on my head. Wouldn’t the police report contain information about whether or not this happened? I didn’t think this was up for debate, unless I missed it.[/quote]

All that has been said is that the police say that Zimmerman’s story matches up with the evidence. If his story matches up perfectly, I would be more than a little suspicious though. It was dark, it happened fast, and he supposedly had a head injury so I would expect him to have some fucked up memories.

njrusmc · March 31, 2012, 12:04am

And as X pointed out, Z isn’t exactly your model guy either. So yea somethings not quite right upstairs with Z. Is he still in prison? Is there any talk of indictment? I ask because I haven’t seen it on the big news channels and I’m wondering if other people are seeing it from other sources.

xXSeraphimXx · March 31, 2012, 12:12am

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
His brother seems like a nice kid. However, HE wasn’t there either, and of course he’s defending his brother.[/quote]

His father did the same thing. You would think they were both there in spirit, watching their son and bro being bashed about. All bunch of liars. I’d like to see them on the O’Donnell show. I bet that’d be too hot to handle. They can ask their lawyer how his experience was. Even the ‘token’ friend couldn’t handle it.

And lol at him saying his bro said ‘‘cono’’ and not coon. ‘‘Fucking cono…’’. Really??? In spanish, ‘‘cono’’ stands for son of the bitch, cunt, etc. But ‘‘Coon’’ is a racial slur and certainly not a fucking term of endearment.

If you wanna swear in your native language – the language you speak more than the other languages you’d learnt, – then swear in that native language only. You can’t seriously mix it with English. As a multi linguist, if I’m having a conversation with french people, I will think and speak french. Same applies to German, Spanish and Italian etc. And if I swear in German, why would I mix the words with some English? That doesn’t make any sense to me. A native French speaker calls the cops and then mutters ‘‘espece de con…’’ He will not say ‘‘fucking con’’. Sounds so wrong to me.

Okay, that was my share of ‘‘expertise’’ in multilingual swearing, hahaha. But on a serious note, though, I’ll be interested in other bilinguals’ take on this.[/quote]

I speak Spanish and though I do not like speaking Spanglish, when mad or cursing I always throw in Spanish words. Saying something like Fucking cono would not be weird.

orion · March 31, 2012, 12:17am

You all should try to lose your cool and curse like a sailor in German.

That tends to rattle people quite a bit.

Dr_Matt581 · March 31, 2012, 12:20am

[quote]orion wrote:
You all should try to lose your cool and curse like a sailor in German.

That tends to rattle people quite a bit.

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German is such a beautiful language.

orion · March 31, 2012, 12:25am

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You all should try to lose your cool and curse like a sailor in German.

That tends to rattle people quite a bit.

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German is such a beautiful language.[/quote]

I can only hope that this was ironic.

It is great for swearing, awesome if you want to bellow some orders and it lends itself to be used for philosophy and the practical arts, i.e. engineering and such, but the only reason why any German beds a woman is because his competition also speaks German.

It is exact, it is precise, but it has no natural flow.

Unless of course we revisit the genius of Falco who was one of the first to use German as a rhythm instrument, because that actually works.

Professor_X · March 31, 2012, 6:24am